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Could any member of the kangaroo lynching court also list exactly which jobs he is allowed to do that would be ok with them, and list the crimes that they don't feel are egregious enough to have to change vocation, since they are writing the laws now.
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Could any member of the kangaroo lynching court also list exactly which jobs he is allowed to do that would be ok with them, and list the crimes that they don't feel are egregious enough to have to change vocation, since they are writing the laws now.
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Apparently he doesn't have one.
Country is full of hypocrites.
Ed Milliband for one.
Country is full of hypocrites.
Ed Milliband for one.
There are many occupations to which you wouldn't be permitted to return having committed a serious crime.
On the other hand, I don't recall such an outcry when Leslie Grantham (a convicted murderer) was in 'EastEnfers'.
On the other hand, I don't recall such an outcry when Leslie Grantham (a convicted murderer) was in 'EastEnfers'.
That rich fare dodger was barred from working in the City recently.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30475232
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30475232
It's not a point of law. Accountants, lawyers and doctors wouldn't be able to return to their jobs after committing a criminal offence.
Is football one of them?
Also, I seem to hear much made of the fact that its all down to the fact he doesn't show remorse.
Does an individual have to?
Once convicted does that also mean they don't have right to appeal?
What if a person is innocent, do they have to believe they are guilty as part of the sentence?
Then what of miscarriages of justice, do these no longer exist?
The baying hand wringers suggest that the conviction should be trusted as judgement on him, but decide that after the sentencing of that adjudication the court hasn't completed the job, their opinions being more important seemingly.
Also, I seem to hear much made of the fact that its all down to the fact he doesn't show remorse.
Does an individual have to?
Once convicted does that also mean they don't have right to appeal?
What if a person is innocent, do they have to believe they are guilty as part of the sentence?
Then what of miscarriages of justice, do these no longer exist?
The baying hand wringers suggest that the conviction should be trusted as judgement on him, but decide that after the sentencing of that adjudication the court hasn't completed the job, their opinions being more important seemingly.
...it's a case of the employer and/or professional body saying you're not a fit and proper person
....which hasn't been made by the FA, so the rules are being made by the crowds instead
Dusty,
imho, the point is that whether or not he has the right to return to football, clubs have a right not to employ him
imho, the point is that whether or not he has the right to return to football, clubs have a right not to employ him
Couldn't he be a Therapist? (correction)
He'd be perfect !
He'd be perfect !
But the clubs want to employ him it seems, its the peer pressure of the baying mob that doesn't what him employed and the FA hasn't deemed him unworthy.
So where are we?
So where are we?
You have a point there dusty. It also seems that the sponsors have threatened to pull out.
But if that's the fans and sponsors are leaning, the club has to listen.
But if that's the fans and sponsors are leaning, the club has to listen.
The 20000 fans at Oldham's last home game don't want him...
I suspect that the majority of people would be willing now to let him get on with his life especially since the circumstances of the rape were a bit dubious,but the anti evans groups are more vociferous & politicised giving the opposite impression
It's not a point of law. Accountants, lawyers and doctors wouldn't be able to return to their jobs after committing a criminal offence.
I think plenty of drink-driving offenders, for example, are not prevented from carrying on in the professions for which they qualified. Their professional bodies would neither have the power nor the wish to bar them from their means of earning a living.
I think plenty of drink-driving offenders, for example, are not prevented from carrying on in the professions for which they qualified. Their professional bodies would neither have the power nor the wish to bar them from their means of earning a living.
Any club would be mad to go near him. Sponsors will run a mile. Oppo crowds will persecute him and have loads of songs all lined up.
I thought the FA stated they would support him if he showed remorse for his crime. However, he wont accept he is guilty.
Mob hysteria being whipped up. He did the time set by the court.
Not that simple EO. Football is unlike most occupations. He would surely be a distraction to the whole team with rival fans abusing the whole club and what about sponsors.
Also he was found guilty but refuses to accept he did anything wrong.
Also he was found guilty but refuses to accept he did anything wrong.
rob_dylan 05 Jan 15 17:33
Any club would be mad to go near him. Sponsors will run a mile. Oppo crowds will persecute him and have loads of songs all lined up.
The same could have been said for Lee Hughes or Luke McCormick.
Any club would be mad to go near him. Sponsors will run a mile. Oppo crowds will persecute him and have loads of songs all lined up.
The same could have been said for Lee Hughes or Luke McCormick.
Sponsors should be told to f*ck off. Everybody knows football has been ruined by money anyway!
paddletoe 05 Jan 15 17:36
Also he was found guilty but refuses to accept he did anything wrong.
Just because you've been found guilty doesn't mean you should accept the verdict, does it? Guildford Four, Birmingham Six, Bridgewater Four, Stefan Kiszko etc.
Also he was found guilty but refuses to accept he did anything wrong.
Just because you've been found guilty doesn't mean you should accept the verdict, does it? Guildford Four, Birmingham Six, Bridgewater Four, Stefan Kiszko etc.
These are supposedly "Key and Undisputed Facts" relating to the whole incident. I guess they might have to be taken with a pinch of salt given that they appear on a website devoted to supporting Evans' case.
http://www.chedevans.com/key-and-undisputed-facts
If the facts are even broadly correct, they put neither Ched Evans, Clayton Donaldson nor "the complainant" in a very good light. They also suggest that thousands of young men should be locked up for rape as a result of their sordid activities on every Friday and Saturday.
http://www.chedevans.com/key-and-undisputed-facts
If the facts are even broadly correct, they put neither Ched Evans, Clayton Donaldson nor "the complainant" in a very good light. They also suggest that thousands of young men should be locked up for rape as a result of their sordid activities on every Friday and Saturday.
Exactly, Arley. Little sympathy for Evans but the lynch mob need stringing up!
What happens when he wins his appeal against the conviction?
He doesn't need to. Some stupid millionaire's even more stupid daughter has already snagged him.
Nothing to do with a "right to work". Evans' conviction bars him from certain jobs but playing for a football club is not one of them. Problem is noone wants to give him a job.
Well if he was not guilty, I have no problem with that.
My daughter is free to make her own life choices.
From my understanding of the case, it was a very unsafe verdict.
The complainent had no recollection of events whatsoever.
Yet one footballer is found guilty and the other not guilty!
My daughter is free to make her own life choices.
From my understanding of the case, it was a very unsafe verdict.
The complainent had no recollection of events whatsoever.
Yet one footballer is found guilty and the other not guilty!
The footballer that was found guilty was with her when she was less inebriated than the one that walked free 
They DO want to give him a job, AT. They're being prevented by ****s on Twitter, and C&G Plumbing Services threaten to withdraw sponsorship.
imho, the point is that whether or not he has the right to return to football, clubs have a right not to employ him
That's it exactly, no one is denying his right to earn his living as a footballer.
They just don't want to employ him.
That's it exactly, no one is denying his right to earn his living as a footballer.
They just don't want to employ him.
They both had sex with her.
They say it was consensual and she says she doesn't remember.
So how is one not guilty and one guilty?
They say it was consensual and she says she doesn't remember.
So how is one not guilty and one guilty?
Not possible to trust people or the courts now. There will come a time when it will be necessary to record everything that you say and do daily and to keep this record. This will be the only assurance, you can say this is what happened on any given day.
If no team wanted to employ him, this wouldn't be an issue. No surprise that Dr Crippen doesn't realise this.
His old club certainly won't employ him.
No surprise that Mikael D'Haguenet doesn't seem to realise that.
No surprise that Mikael D'Haguenet doesn't seem to realise that.
If he was a 20 goal a season premiership striker worth somewhere north of 30 million he would be playing now.
He did the time set by the court.
Now he can start doing the time set by the public.
Now he can start doing the time set by the public.
His old club allowed him to train with them and only declined to re-sign him in the face of a public onslaught from tw@ts like Dr Crippen.
No surprises.
No surprises.
Mikael D'Haguenet
Are you an ex jailbird as well?
You sound like one.
Are you an ex jailbird as well?
You sound like one.
There is also no comparison between the case of Evans and Lee Hughes. Lee Hughes pleaded guilty before the court and showed remorse for his actions.
The issue here is the lack of remorse for the rape Evans Committed. I also don't believe he has any right to appeal the conviction. My understanding is that the time limit has elapsed to appeal. He is only asking for a review into a possible appeal which has next to no chance of succeeding as only a handful out of thousands of reviews each year are allowed to go to an appeal.
Surely if a person is convicted of a serious crime but refuses to accept guilt and show remorse they must be considered to have a greater likelihood of reoffending.
The issue here is the lack of remorse for the rape Evans Committed. I also don't believe he has any right to appeal the conviction. My understanding is that the time limit has elapsed to appeal. He is only asking for a review into a possible appeal which has next to no chance of succeeding as only a handful out of thousands of reviews each year are allowed to go to an appeal.
Surely if a person is convicted of a serious crime but refuses to accept guilt and show remorse they must be considered to have a greater likelihood of reoffending.
If a club wanted to employ him they would - fact is having weighed it up noone wants to.
If he showed remorse for his victim there would not be such an issue.
People would give him a chance if he showed some compassion for the girl he raped.
He must have plenty of money.
If he'd got a shred of decency in him he'd have slipped away quietly and started a new life where he isn't known.
The fact that he is prepared to play league football again shows exactly how seriously he takes his crime.
I've no doubt that he's the sort who would do it again if he thought he could get away with it.
If he'd got a shred of decency in him he'd have slipped away quietly and started a new life where he isn't known.
The fact that he is prepared to play league football again shows exactly how seriously he takes his crime.
I've no doubt that he's the sort who would do it again if he thought he could get away with it.
Nothing to do with a "right to work". Evans' conviction bars him from certain jobs but playing for a football club is not one of them. Problem is noone wants to give him a job.
There have been at least 4 clubs willing to sign him, which shows intent but where held to ransom by sponsors and some fans that whipped up a frenzy.
If the same occurred over employing gays at a club or people in wheelchairs how would that one end up?
There have been at least 4 clubs willing to sign him, which shows intent but where held to ransom by sponsors and some fans that whipped up a frenzy.
If the same occurred over employing gays at a club or people in wheelchairs how would that one end up?
How about sponsors refusing to sponsor clubs if they hired a black manager for example or fans creating internet lobby groups to hinder employment of women?
Dr Crippen 05 Jan 15 18:54
He must have plenty of money.
If he'd got a shred of decency in him he'd have slipped away quietly and started a new life where he isn't known.
The fact that he is prepared to play league football again shows exactly how seriously he takes his crime.
I've no doubt that he's the sort who would do it again if he thought he could get away with it.
So, please tell how you happened to choose your username, Mr Irony. Actually, don't. I can't be doing with reading any more bollocks from you.
I've never been near a prison (apart from a demo outside Lincoln) in my life.
He must have plenty of money.
If he'd got a shred of decency in him he'd have slipped away quietly and started a new life where he isn't known.
The fact that he is prepared to play league football again shows exactly how seriously he takes his crime.
I've no doubt that he's the sort who would do it again if he thought he could get away with it.
So, please tell how you happened to choose your username, Mr Irony. Actually, don't. I can't be doing with reading any more bollocks from you.
I've never been near a prison (apart from a demo outside Lincoln) in my life.
Unless he accepts what he did was rape there is nothing to stop him doing the same thing again because in his mind he would be doing nothing wrong.
Only two people know whether it was rape or not. One of the two was acquitted.
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These are supposedly "Key and Undisputed Facts" relating to the whole incident. I guess they might have to be taken with a pinch of salt given that they appear on a website devoted to supporting Evans' case.
http://www.chedevans.com/key-and-undisputed-facts
If the facts are even broadly correct, they put neither Ched Evans, Clayton Donaldson nor "the complainant" in a very good light. They also suggest that thousands of young men should be locked up for rape as a result of their sordid activities on every Friday and Saturday."
Correction - its Clayton McDonald not poor old Clayton Donaldson of Birmingham City
28 Jan 02
"| Topic/replies: 1,650 | Blogger: Arleystation's blog
These are supposedly "Key and Undisputed Facts" relating to the whole incident. I guess they might have to be taken with a pinch of salt given that they appear on a website devoted to supporting Evans' case.
http://www.chedevans.com/key-and-undisputed-facts
If the facts are even broadly correct, they put neither Ched Evans, Clayton Donaldson nor "the complainant" in a very good light. They also suggest that thousands of young men should be locked up for rape as a result of their sordid activities on every Friday and Saturday."
Correction - its Clayton McDonald not poor old Clayton Donaldson of Birmingham City
The point is that those holding clubs to ransom put their faith in the judiciary to come to their conclusion and punishment (since they themselves have no idea whether he did it or not) so how can they then add bits to the verdict when neither the law nor the association have?
Some very good posts Dustybin, he may not be a very nice bloke but he's done his time, far too many bullies and people wanting too be offended in this world.
Donaldson is lucky he didn't end up with 5 years too!
Correction - its Clayton McDonald not poor old Clayton Donaldson of Birmingham City
Apologies
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Apologies
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Announced he's of to Liberia to help the victims of Ebola, going to show the world he understands what he has done and is trying to reform himself away from the western world of greed and vice...............
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