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SlippyBlue
29 Dec 14 22:05
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"Duty of care." Tick.
"Breach of duty" Tick.
"Causation." Tick.

I had to speak to my old school mate first about this who is a Senior partner of a large inner city group practice and he said forget about any moral issues you may have, go for it with as much venom as you can possibly muster. Which for me is considerable. Even the ambulance man this morning was asking me about "my case."
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Report curious-cat December 29, 2014 10:16 PM GMT
some years ago there was a case at the Old Bailey which caught my attention ...

It probably involved Fallon.

As I was interested in attending I found the Old Bailey website ....... there were lots of cases where Bromley Health Authority were being sued.

Feel free to get in touch ... I will support you to the hilt.
Report curious-cat December 29, 2014 10:17 PM GMT
... though I'm afraid my experience is of the not suing variety I wish I had.
Report doantwin2easy December 29, 2014 10:22 PM GMT
can we know the details of the case?
Report SlippyBlue December 29, 2014 10:35 PM GMT
Without going into too many details some of you know my Mum has been very ill. She went in for a routine endoscopy as a day patient in the Summer which resulted in a perforated bowel. In the following 12 weeks she was in intensive care, 4 of those weeks in a coma and basically she will never see her grandchildren grow up as a result of what happened. I'd rather not elaborate too much other than that but you get the basic gist.

I had moral issues about proceeding originally but my GP mate said fk that, what you need is closure and for accountability to be seen to be done. I'm not poor but not massively loaded either and it's not for the money and anything that I get will be shared among her grandchildren.
Report doantwin2easy December 29, 2014 11:09 PM GMT
appreciate you elaborating. hope you get the result you're looking for.
Report SlippyBlue December 29, 2014 11:24 PM GMT
My ideal result would have been from that initial check up is that it would never have happened in the first place. The rest of it I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy.
Report The Leopard December 29, 2014 11:32 PM GMT
FFS, Slippy, didn't know about that, my Mum's going to have a camera going in from other end soon, maybe less chance of the mal-practice done to your Mum.
Report The Leopard December 29, 2014 11:34 PM GMT
Can't you have no win , no fee barister?
Report SlippyBlue December 29, 2014 11:40 PM GMT
It was a 10,000/1 shot The Leopard, your Mum will be fine I'm sure. Emphasise that they have "a duty of care" when she is admitted, it's very important that you do that beforehand.
Report acquiesce12 December 29, 2014 11:42 PM GMT
try private care, I wouldn't let my mum in an nhs hospital, they are a soulless monstrosity operated by overworked zombies
Report SlippyBlue December 29, 2014 11:45 PM GMT
Legal fees is not an issue, they have no case to answer anyway. I just want my Mum to be well again.
Report SlippyBlue December 29, 2014 11:49 PM GMT
It was the private wing of King's College Hospital that destroyed her, 6 grand it cost. Don't think for a moment you will get better treatment going private, you just seen quicker by the same people who make the same fk ups. Believe me I know..
Report Tommy Toes December 30, 2014 12:09 AM GMT
Excellent advice, Boxing.

Good luck in your mission, Slippy.

There are too many shysters in the medical profession these days.
They must be hounded out.
In the last 20 years or so things have changed so much. You really can't trust any of them at all these days.
Which is a shocking state of affairs.
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 12:11 AM GMT
It may be worth, researching whether you can sue under common law, which neither recognizes uniform or badge but is concerned with individual responsibility. In which case you can bring them before a "Master" in the highest common law court in the land, the Queens bench at the high courts of justice. This court is not interested in Acts Statutes etc, etc, they get right to the heart of the matter, I E, you mothers sovereign rights where not observed by a particular individual or individual's

I'm no expert, slippy, but I faced Fiona Shackleton (now Baroness)in the High courts of justice in my divorce case, she represented Charles against Diana, she is the best divorce barrister in the land, it was of course no contest. if you proceed you do not need right on your side, just the best brief you can get.
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 12:14 AM GMT
Hi Tommy, A vey good evening to you.
Report Tommy Toes December 30, 2014 12:14 AM GMT
Same to you Boxing.
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 12:15 AM GMT
There' an rrrrrrrrr missingLaugh
Report Tommy Toes December 30, 2014 12:17 AM GMT
No worries, Boxing - I'm a pirate, so have plenty of '(a)rrrrs' going!
Report SlippyBlue December 30, 2014 12:24 AM GMT
I have been through this before with Dad fighting a mesothelioma case fox and know what complete and utter filth I'll have to deal with. I've got very broad shoulders and am in for a very long haul, I know that mate. A first class brief will be instructed. I won't be dismayed at what others will do, I've been around the block far too often for that. Expect the very worst you could possibly imagine. I'm ready..
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 12:26 AM GMT
cribbed from bigmos fred .....pirates are ruining the music industry....have you tried playing guitar with a hook.









I'll get me eye patch
Report SlippyBlue December 30, 2014 12:28 AM GMT
Thanks chaps, you know that I just say what is happening in my world and posts like boxingthefox just made helps. Love
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 12:33 AM GMT
Good luck Slippy, PM me if you want to talk, you can have my contact details no bother, I'm no expert but I do have a little experience.
Report SlippyBlue December 30, 2014 12:37 AM GMT
Night all.
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 12:40 AM GMT
GN Slippy.
Report Tommy Toes December 30, 2014 12:41 AM GMT
Goodnight Slippy - and good luck.
Report morpteh mackem December 30, 2014 8:33 AM GMT
morning slippy, my missus is pursuing a case ( via union from work ) , took 3 visits to doctor before she was sent to a physio, physio wasn't happy and wanted xrays- transpired she had 2 broken elbows that  3 respective gps didn't pick on ( or didn't even send for xrays !!! )
Report The Leopard December 30, 2014 8:53 AM GMT
How are your ribs now, mate?
Report rob_dylan December 30, 2014 9:17 AM GMT
"Forget about any moral issues you may have".

That is the basic philosophy of all lawyers, vile creatures.
Report Slicer December 30, 2014 9:19 AM GMT
Slippy- I am saddened to read this thread.
I believe that on the paperwork for colonoscopy and endoscopy there are various disclaimers and warnings that there is a possibility, however small, of perforation. I believe that repairs of perforations are usually routine.  For you to have a case against the NHS and the surgeon you must prove negligence.

If you are considering this action, consider going to a firm of solicitors specialising in medical negligence, hopefully on a no win no fee basis. They will soon be able to tell you if you have a case or not, because firms that act on no win no fee basis don't take on cases unless they are almost certain to win.

I genuinely hope this posting has been helpful and send my best wishes to you and you mum.
Report hectoratoratora December 30, 2014 10:10 AM GMT
Slippy, sad to hear whats happened,the circumstances must be heartbreaking .If you sue the NHS ,assuming you win,the level of damages will be decided principally on whether or not you or other family members are you mums dependants,ie does she provide for family members financially.Im sad to say your mums life will be valued extremely callously if she has no dependants.
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 11:42 AM GMT
WTF happened to my first post, I obviously hit the bullseye. Angry
Report The Leopard December 30, 2014 11:45 AM GMT
What did it say....we have all forgotten?
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 11:48 AM GMT
Sadly so have I, but I'm confident that Slippy won't have because of the importance attached to his endeavors.
Report call me a taxi December 30, 2014 11:57 AM GMT
boxingthefox   
30 Dec 14 11:42 
WTF happened to my first post, I obviously hit the bullseye.


The bigger question is who would report if for moderators to remove it?
Report Burton-Brewers December 30, 2014 12:22 PM GMT
although personally I don't like them I think you may be best approaching a NWNF firm Slippy, I used a small local firm for my claim and even their bill was £74k and should you lose you would have to pick up the tab for the other side. You need to get you other brothers to agree and shoulder some of the burden, from my experience you'll be getting called in to speak to someone on quite a regular basis. I'm not sure if this would apply to your mum but I had to go and see 3 different consultants, maybe not so bad for you because you live in London and I presume they would be quite close, but obviously you would have to consider if your mum was up to it. I ended up getting dragged all over the bleeding country because of living in the sticks. Finally there is the time scale, from start to settlement mine took just under 5 years so prepare for a long haul these people don't move fast. I believe that you have to start proceedings within 3 years of the date you believe the negligence was caused so you have time to weigh it up properly.
Report alleged22 December 30, 2014 12:40 PM GMT
my wife started haemorrhaging pretty bad 6 weeks after our last child ( found her passed out), she went back to hospital, after 24 hrs the doctor on shift was going to discharge her as he said nothing was wrong, then there was a shift change, new doctor looked and said were going to have to take you to theatre immediately, the midwife had left the placenta inside of her.


I wonder if we have a case......? reading other similar stories she could have died..
Report Slicer December 30, 2014 12:48 PM GMT
Mr 22- you definitely have a case! If you decide to go ahead- consider going  to a medical specialist solicitor no win no fee. ASs I have saiod previously, they will only go ahead if they are almost certain you will win.
Report Eeternaloptimist December 30, 2014 12:55 PM GMT
Sorry to hear about your mum slippy. My advice is similar to slicer's. Hospitals do have a duty of care. You've got no problem there and from what you've said causation doesn't seem to be a issue. Without knowing the full in's and outs I'd suggest that in law the issue which may cause you trouble is the issue of breach of duty. In a nutshell the common law rule was that the surgeon would have had to have performed the procedure in a way which fell below the standards of the ordinary competent surgeon. Whether that is the case here and whether you ca get someone of similar competence or idneed the hospital to admit that this was the case is a key issue.

Be prepared for the long haul as someone else previously said.
Report Eeternaloptimist December 30, 2014 12:57 PM GMT
And again as slicer says don't assume all solicitor's firms are equalyl competent. At the very least ask around and find one which does specialise in medical negligence cases and enquire about no win no fee.
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 1:10 PM GMT
EO and Slicer, spot on. Slippy you are up against a corporation, that is what hospital "trusts" are, that is what everything in the land is. A check with Dun and Bradstreet will reveal that every office in this land from the royal family to the government,(currently trading as George Osborne) the police service, etc, is a registered company this is what legitimizes them.

You can sue a company and any of it's appointed "officers" under common law. As Slicer said a "no win no fee" company will only take the case if the probability of winning is greatly in their favour, so this avenue should be explored (at no cost) to determine the weight of your case. They will only create a legal "bundle" if it's in their interest.
Report alleged22 December 30, 2014 1:11 PM GMT
thank you slicer we will definitely look into it...
Report Slicer December 30, 2014 1:22 PM GMT
Good luck if you go ahead with it.
Report Desmond Orchard December 30, 2014 4:29 PM GMT
PM'd on this subject Slippy.
Report SlippyBlue December 30, 2014 7:49 PM GMT
Thanks to all who have posted but I'm putting this thread to rest now.

I'm not proceeding, I have had a lot of very solid advice from you all and from other sources but after a long think about this I don't want to be involved in a protracted legal battle which could last years. I said before, it was never about money and I don't need the grief anyway.

Desmond Orchard sent me a message which I will not talk about but that definitively made up my mind not to take this any further. Thank you so much Desmond for doing that for me.

Cheers everyone and a very happy and healthy New Year to you all with plenty of winners as well hopefully of course. Happy
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 7:58 PM GMT
GL Slippy, probably a wise decision, these things can and constantly do go on for around 7 years before resolution/restitution.

Put your energies to better use looking after your Ma.
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 8:00 PM GMT
BTW Slippy I tried to PM you, should I have made a contact request first??.
Report SlippyBlue December 30, 2014 8:11 PM GMT
No fox, just highlight my username and there is the send message icon. Shouldn't be a problem mate.

One thing I will say though is that throwing out a potentially complicated question that I originally posed gets some invaluable information from people on here who have been there and done that. Thanks everyone, we are an eclectic bunch for sure.
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 8:17 PM GMT
Message sent.
Report Hank Hill December 30, 2014 8:18 PM GMT
All the best slippy. Happy new year to you and best wishes to your mum.
Report Burton-Brewers December 30, 2014 8:20 PM GMT
very true slippy and all the other forums say it is us that are the bellends. Where do people post if they need info?
Report SlippyBlue December 30, 2014 8:47 PM GMT
B-B, this is by a distance the most helpful, intelligent forum out of all of them. Always has been.
Report rob_dylan December 30, 2014 9:38 PM GMT
I was thinking of buying a flat in Portugal a few years back.  Started a thread on here about it and Slippy posted about all the hazards and risks and hidden costs etc.  I took it on board and decided against.  What goes around comes around see.  Still the best forum for me.
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 9:40 PM GMT
"B-B, this is by a distance the most helpful, intelligent forum out of all of them. Always has been."
Amen to that.Cool
Report Slicer December 30, 2014 9:43 PM GMT
It is the best because of all the highly edumacated, intelligelliment and litereight peopul what inhabits this forum!
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 9:44 PM GMT
Slicer, you forgot eriditted.
Report Ozymandius December 30, 2014 9:45 PM GMT
It's the first place I think to turn to for threesome advice.
Report SlippyBlue December 30, 2014 9:47 PM GMT
Dr. Slicer, your post in particular was extremely helpful in my decision. Where do I send my 50 guineas?
Report akabula December 30, 2014 9:48 PM GMT

rob_dylan
I was thinking of buying a flat in Portugal a few years back.  Started a thread on here about it and Slippy posted about all the hazards and risks and hidden costs etc.  I took it on board and decided against.  What goes around comes around see.  Still the best forum for me.


I think I remember that thread. Slippy listed all the probs with letting out, is that right?
If that's the one it helped my son out of his dilemma as well. Like you he decided against.
Is a great source of info and help on here.
Report Slicer December 30, 2014 9:49 PM GMT
Yes btf, I definitely forgot that!
Report SlippyBlue December 30, 2014 9:52 PM GMT

Dec 30, 2014 -- 9:45PM, Ozymandius wrote:


It's the first place I think to turn to for threesome advice.


abitofinterest will be here shortly no doubt to avail you of the information you need on that matter.

Report Slicer December 30, 2014 9:53 PM GMT
Mr Blue- due to the circumstances of your thread, there is no charge. That is the kind and generous philanthropissed that I am!
By the way my charges increased to 70 guineas about 5 years ago.
Anyway, since my discovery of The Lay The Crap Football Team Systim, I make enough as it is.

Good luck all.

Hasta Banana
Report casemoney December 30, 2014 10:12 PM GMT
Same thing  happened to a friend of mines Mother Slippy ,sadly she passed away and never left the hospital was about 10 year back
she went in with stomach problems ended up with perforated bowl died of septicemia ,I've not seen her daughter for some time so don,t know how it ended up ,was charing x hospital in West London ,2 weeks before this the lady who was about 60, was fit as a fiddle ,I could not believe it when the daughter rang me ..
Report boxingthefox December 30, 2014 10:18 PM GMT
casemoney, same thing happened to a mate of mine in Charing Cross, he survived but ended up with a colostomy bag. The same hospital managed to lose all records of mine 4 different sets over 5 years absolute useless Aholes.
Report casemoney December 30, 2014 10:24 PM GMT
Unreal mate Sad
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