Farage v Russell Brand on Question Time tonight..

granted

foxy

Apologies if this has been already covered, but Brand showed himself up to be **** he is, ably assisted by some nasty halfwits in the audience. Never trust rich people who claim to speak for the poor. That was probably Farage's best debate to date, but it was the guy in the white shirt with the cane who absolutely wiped the floor with him. So good, you suspect it might have been set up.

Rich people claiming to speak for the poor - isn't that an accurate description of the current Labour Party?

Cane guy was a thick pr*tt

Come on Leopard, admit it, Your boy took one hell of a beating. beat himself actually.

He is better in a free for all.

1 on 1 with Farage , Nige would be screaming for mercy !

ffs Angel Gabrial, you cost me 2 grand plus there, I bet the overs for £500 on the over/under 1.5 market, the amount of times SlippyBlue would name drop Farage.

1. “Seriously, Nigel has not changed since I met him as a teenager”

No response on forum so:

2. “Seriously, Nigel has not changed since I met him as a teenager. In the debating society he was without peer”

No response on forum so:

3. “I'm seriously thinking of voting for my old schoolmate Nigel”

£750 profit but it could easily have been 2k if you had kept your gub shut

He`ll be telling us next that his pal used to write Thatcher The Witche`s speeches.

Flattrack, small field and I'm sure Brand would come in to his own.

"Never trust rich people who claim to speak for the poor."

What a load of pish.

Bet he was delighted when I recounted how Nige made him head prefect.

Making plans foe Nigel

Sorry Mac i gave into temptation, i can resist anything but. I was going to hangout for more but the urge got me!

Poor Angel has been crushed tonight. Calling for Brand to have his nose checked for blood. I'd have checked for something else up there at the start. He came in like a peacocck only for Farage to turn him into a feather duster by halfway. By the end Farage had a double handful belonging to the buxom Tory girl next to him while Brand had to content himself with the blue haired Nora Batty look alike at the back who kept shouting, I'm coming for you Farage. Poor Brand was so crest fallen at tonights turn of events that he was heard muttering as he was helped off stage, where's my supporter? Perhaps she'll come for me as well.

^ In the realms

I was only following the thread to see how many times he would mention it when no one was biting. The more times he did it, the harder I laughed.

Brand is handicapped to hilt, i won`t be backing him again.

me to.

Read some reports and come to the conclusion it was a draw.

Though calling Farage a Pound Shop Enoch Powell will be remembered more than anything Farage said.

1.000001 landed-bunny la roche tatooed,pierced socialist workers party ira supporter.

Poor russell needed some more hint cards.

That labour woman was pathetic, never answered a single question all, when asked a simple question she tried to attack the other parties, i suppose that is politics for you.

How the Guardian saw it below.  Virtually no mention of that bloke who said he should stand for election.  That was the end of it for Brand.  Welcome to big school, all his pinko stooges weren't helping him, in fact they were whooping and hollering against him.  "I don't want to become one of them" was as pathetic a response as you could imagine.  Not a small part of Russell Brand died right there and then.

It was the hottest ticket of the panto season: Russell Brand up against Nigel Farage on Question Time. Brand’s only other appearance on the show had been a disappointment, the anticipated confrontation with Boris Johnson turning out to be a mutual love-in, and panel chairman David Dimbleby was determined no one should go home disappointed this time round. “Is the petty, adversarial nature of politics causing its own demise?” said Dimbleby, repeating the first member of the audience’s question. “Russell Brand?”

“Good question mate it is definitely adversal there is a detachment and people are detached,” said Brand, his delivery more staccato and nervy than usual. He was clearly trying to be on his best behaviour, so Dimbleby turned to Farage in search of more excitement. “Russell Brand is right,” said the Ukip leader. “It’s all about what tie a politician is wearing and what hairdresser he goes to … Everyone in parliament is a career politician.”

Sensing that the show might be turning flat, Dimbleby looked to one of the panel’s supporting cast, Conservative communities minister Penny Mordaunt, and reminded her that she had said the word “****” six times in a parliamentary speech for a bet. Mordaunt suddenly remembered she ought to have listened to her first instinct and declined to appear on the programme. From there on in, she could only play catch-up.

Mary Creagh, the shadow minister for international relations and one of the most impressive members of Labour’s frontbench team, had come with a game plan: make a point succinctly and get out fast while the going was good. It worked well for her. No one came close to landing a punch on her and Brand gave her a wide berth after she picked him up for shouting down women. “I’m working on my sexist language,” he said, unconvincingly.

Dimbleby was now looking a happy man. Brand was going off on extended riffs about not voting and greedy bankers, Nigel was going red, and the audience were arguing with one another. The public and Brand may say they want their politics to be less adversal in parliament and for Ed Militant and David Cameron to behave better at prime minister’s questions, but no one had turned this on for a reasoned debate. Which is almost what they got from Sunday Times columnist Camilla Cavendish. Dimbleby moved on as soon as decently possible.

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Is Britain overcrowded? Who would have guessed there would be a question about immigration? “Nigel Farage,” said Dimbleby. Cue a long “this-saddens-me-to-say-as-much-as-it-does-you-to-hear-it” riff about how the man from the Office for Budget Responsibility who said Britain needed more immigration is an idiot and that while it might seem from a plane over Gatwick as if there was a lot of green space if you look close there were queues at hospitals and schools backed up all the way to Poland.

Brand did a quick yoga pose, bringing his hands down across his face in prayer to the almighty transcendental being that controls the cosmos, before going mildly berserk. It’s not about immigrants it’s about bankers ripping everyone off he’s a pound-shop Enoch and if George Osborne caps their bonuses the moon will be in Libra. Creagh made the same point coherently but was drowned out by the audience, who had remembered that mass participation was the essence of panto. Do we want more immigrants? “Oh, yes we do,” yelled half of them. “Oh, no we don’t,” said the rest. “Oh, yes we do.” “Oh we don’t.”

Normally a hardline interventionist whenever the audience get a bit uppity, Dimbleby was happy to sit back and let this one run. Realising that no one was now actually in charge of the show, Cavendish tried to restore some order. But even she got caught up in the excitement and for once her reason deserted her. “People just want controlled immigration,” she declared. “That doesn’t mean we would let fewer people into the country.”

No one seemed to notice that she had just implied Britain should have loads more border police that ask immigrants tricky questions for a couple of hours and then just say, “Come on in”, because all any of the panel now cared about was getting through the rest of the show unscathed. With the programme in the bag, Dimbleby eased up to allow his guests to stick to their familiar party lines on the NHS and education. Mother Goose had delivered her golden egg.

Quotes:
Russell Brand:

• “His mates in the City farted and Nigel Farage is pointing at immigrants and the disabled and holding his nose”

• “This man is not a cartoon character ... He is a pound-shop Enoch Powell”

• “Education, health, a living wage – these things are all rights, not things that we should be squabbling over”

• “I would stand for parliament but I would be afraid I would become one of them.”

Nigel Farage:

• “I’m not the wealthy one on this panel.”

• “We have seen the growth of a career political class, that have never had a job in their lives ... I’ve spent 20 years in business. Has Ed Miliband spent six weeks in business?”

• “One of the biggest mistakes we’ve made in the last 50 years is the wanton destruction of hundreds of grammar schools.”

Though calling Farage a Pound Shop Enoch Powell will be remembered more than anything Farage said.

Absolutely, but Brand even put his foot in it there.

Mentioning any politician in the same breath as Enoch Powell is high praise indeed.

Item here about Russell Brand on the BBC website

The comic actor and campaigner Russell Brand has won the Plain English Campaign Foot in Mouth award, for the most baffling quotes by a public figure.

Awarded for his public speaking and writing, the judges said Brand was almost in a field of his own, and described his message as "entertainingly garbled".

While others would describe the noise he makes as simply garbled.

didnt see it....

but did they ask when they will bring down house prices and rents in line with how we get paid and live?

till thats sorted the uk is heading one way.
we will be a 3rd rate nation by the time the rest of the eu has controlled its way out of the sub prime fiasco.

It looked like a premier club (Farage) Vs a non league side Brand) in the cup, almost impossible to look good whatever you do, the level of debate was always going to be scrappy and Brand did himself no good trying to personalize the debate with name calling at gutter level.

Brand is standing on the sidelines of politics like a dad at a Sunday match making a lot of noise which contributes nothing and just annoys the participants and others interested in the outcome. Everything he says is negative, he complains about everything in our society, a society which affords his minimal talent a very good living, without having the "pressure of offering a viable alternative.

Good question mate it is definitely adversal there is a detachment and people are detached,” said Brand, his delivery more staccato and nervy than usual. He was clearly trying to be on his best behaviour, so Dimbleby turned to Farage in search of more excitement. “Russell Brand is right,” said the Ukip leader. “It’s all about what tie a politician is wearing and what hairdresser he goes to … Everyone in parliament is a career politician.”


I`m sure Farage did not say “Russell Brand is right,” regarding the answer to the first question.

I was sure Farage said "John is right" John being the audience member who asked the question. So i think sloppy journalism from the Guardian to kick off.

But the guardians article started with the headline.

Left wing firebrand v Right wing rabble rouser.
It does not even mention the extreme left wing nutter bunny boiler.

I do feel that Brand would be more at home spouting sh1te on a forum...say this one.

Answer time
#BBCQT
I’ve just got home from recording bbc tv’s political debate show Question Time and if you saw it and found it anti-climactic, I know how you feel.
Nigel Farage in the flesh, gin blossomed flesh that it is, inspires sympathy more than fear, an end of the pier, end of the road, end of days politician, who like many people who drink too much has a certain sloppy sadness. Camilla Cavendish who I was sat next to, seemed kindly and the two politicians from opposing parties, that flanked Dimbleby melted into an indistinguishable potage of cautious wonk words before I could properly learn which was blue and which was red. For my part I sat politely on my hands, keen to avoid hollering obscenities after a week of hypocrisy accusations and half-arsed, front page controversy.
Only the audience inspire passion or connection. Humanity. The usual preposterous jumble that you see in any of our towns, even if groomed and prepped by Auntie, they comparatively throb with authenticity opposite us, across the shark-eyed bank of cumbersome cameras.
The panelists have been together in “the green room” chatting, like before any TV show, and that’s what QT is, a TV show, a timid and tepid debate where the topics and dynamism of the discussion are as wooden and flat as the table we gamely sit around.
There is a practice question prior to the record, so the cameras can position and mics can be checked and the audience can practice harrumphing. In my dressing room at the modern Kentish theatre, before my sticky descent, I can hear them being prepped “ask questions, quarrel, applaud, keep those hands up”.
The practice question is a soft ball rhubarb toss about clumping kids or something and even though I’m determined to concentrate like a grown up, my mind drifts back to the Canterbury Food Bank I visited before arriving, partly to learn about it, as a researcher told me there might be question on them and first hand knowledge would make me look good, and partly because, y’know, I actually care.
In a warehouse in a retail park Christians and sixth formers assemble bags of what would rightly be considered “staples” in a kinder world. Tins of food and packets of biscuits and it’s good that we’re near to the “White Cliffs of Dover” because it feels like there’s a war on and the livid coloured packaging goes sepia in my mind as Dame Vera scores the melancholy scene.
The Christians are as Christians are, kind and optimistic. The donations come from ordinary local folk “We get more from the poorer people” says Martin, a quick deputy in a cuddly jumper. “More from Asda shoppers than Waitrose.” As I contemplate cancelling my Ocado (or whatever the **** it’s called) order Chrissy, the lady who runs the scheme says that this year people who received packages previously have now donated themselves. Previous recipients often volunteer an all. Here older folk and the students diligently box off the nosh and I determine to give them and their heartening endeavor a shout out on the show and my writhing, nervous gut begins to settle.
Chrissy explains how the Canterbury Food Bank has brought people together, not just those it feeds but those who volunteer. “It seemed like a good way to worship Christ” she says. Martin, who I am starting to gently fall in love with, observes that supermarkets profit from the enterprise as Food Bank campaigns encourage their customers to spend more there. “Do you think there’s an obligation for the state to feed people?” I ask “or room for a bit more Jesus kicking the money lenders out of the temple type stuff?”
They smile.
Many who use their facility are people that work full time and still fall short, others have suffered under “benefit sanctions”. “They’re very quick to cut off people’s benefits these days” says Martin.
“People think that Canterbury is affluent, but all around us are pockets of the hidden hungry”. The hidden hungry. “I’m gonna use that” I tell him as I scarper. He makes a very British joke about charging me as I get in the car and I tell him I nicked some jammy dodgers, and we laugh so that’s alright.
I think about the hidden hungry as I settle into my QT chair and get “mic’d up”. Farage entered to a simultaneous cheer and jeer, they cancel each other out, like bose headphones and leave an eerie silence. David Dimbleby says something about it being panto season and someone in the audience says “oh no it isn’t” and I love him for it, even though I’m pretty sure he was one of the UKip cheerers.
And a pantomime it is, well not so entertaining, no flouncing dames or doleful Buttons or rousing songs, just semi-staged tittle-tattle and bickering. The only worthwhile sentiments, be they raging or insightful come from the audience, across the camera bank. The man who brings up politicians pay rises, the man who demands I stand for parliament (so that he could not vote for me judging from his antipathy), the mad, lovely blue hair woman who swears at everyone, mostly though the woman who says “Why are we talking about immigrants? It’s a side issue, this crisis was caused by financial negligence and the subsequent bail-out”. This piece of rhetoric more valuable than anything I could’ve said, including my pound-shop Enoch Powell gag. More potent than the one thing I regret not saying because time and format did not permit it. That the people have the wisdom, not politicians, that the old paradigm is broken and will not be repaired. That the future is collectivised power. Parliamentary politics is dead, they, it’s denizens, wandering from aye to neigh from Tory to UKip know it’s dead and we know it’s dead. Farage is worse than stagnant, he is a tribute act, he is a nostalgic spasm for a Britain that never was; an infinite cricket green with no one from the colonies to raise the game, grammar schools on every corner and shamed women breastfeeding under giant parasols. The Britain of the future will be born of alliances between ordinary, self-governing people, organised locally, communicating globally. Built on principles that are found in traditions like Christianity; community, altruism, kindness, love.
In the “practice question” Farage says it’s okay to hit children “it’s good for them to be afraid” he said. There is a lot of fear about in our country at the moment and he is certainly benefiting from it. But the Britain I love is unafraid and brave. We have a laugh together, we take care of one another, we love an underdog and we unite to confront bullies. We voluntarily feed the poor when the government won’t do it. These ideas and actions that I saw in the food bank and across the camera bank are where the real power lies and this new power is the answer, no question about it.

Parklife!

in case yo didn't know, but I'm sure you'd worked it out anyway, the mouthy woman who modeled herself on William Wallace's gran was a UAF plant.

BB, I long for the good ol days when we could burn witches like this.

She was a prickly B-B.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30450281

Still trading insults.

Saw most of the clips between Farage and Brand.

How Brand was not censored for his personal abuse I'll never know. I knew he was crass but that was pitiful.

He sparked that daft woman at the back to say 'Farage I'm coming for you' and 'you're racist scum'.

As Churchill rightly said 'The anti fascists of today will become the fascists of tomorrow'.

Russell Brand is so full of sh!t.

That youtube link is brilliant Tiptheodds.

Farage and Brand were both winners - they're two sides of the same coin.

They engage the general public, they provoke reactions, they are personable, you'd have a drink with them they are (relatively) honest.

This is going to be an interesting general election coming up

Tip the Odds - Gordon Brown said 'British jobs for British Workers'.

Cameron is saying no benefits to migrants for 2 years.

Milliband is saying something similar.

Farage has got them running for cover. Not hard, but he's speaking some home truths.

As for this 'privately educated' thing. What's wrong with a parent wanting the best for their kids??!! Any family paying for education (or health) is saving the country a huge amount. (Never gets said..funny that.)

For those anti-UKIP, at what point would they suggest the country is overcrowded?

Is there such a point?

injera, immigration is a red herring, trumpeted at every opportunity to dstract people away from UKIP´s real corporate agenda which is large scale privatisation; and leaving the EU so that corporations can do what they want (TTIP) and workers in the UK will no longer have any employment protection.

Just for a moment forget about the immigration question, then look at UKIP again....see anything you like?

TiptheOdds knows.

'Large scale privatisation'?

UKIP didn't privatise British Rail, BP, BT, the water, gas and electric companies. They didn't bring in PFI or private cleaners in the NHS. Mandelson wanted Royal Mail privatised and Cameron did it for him.

Privatisation has been with us for some time....

Leaving the EU can make us far more competitive if it's handled correctly. We have products Europe wants. They sell us more than we export. We matter to them. 

No need for political union with a customer. Look at China. I believe it's the bigges importer into  Europe. That's impressive

Was thinking the same, what's left to be privatised let alone on a "large scale"?

Just think of anything still controlled by the state or local government.

Dec 12, 2014 -- 12:11PM, Thin and Crispy wrote:

Just for a moment forget about the immigration question, then look at UKIP again....see anything you like?

As opposed to the other 2 and a quarter parties where there's so much to like

Where did I say there was anything to like about any other party?

then look at UKIP again....see anything you like?


yes especially no students fees for those studying a science, medicine, technology and maths at uni
guaranteed job for those leaving the forces with either the police, prison service or border agency
inheritance tax abolished
exit of the common fisheries policy and reinstatement of British territorial waters
abolish live export of animals for slaughter
repeal the bedroom tax

there's a few I like but there are a few others also

So the immigration issue is just an added bonus for you?

Well done on the research I wonder how many UKIP voters when asked for reasons to vote for UKIP would come up with those reasons?

I like their military idea. Basically:

'We won't go poking our nose into wars that can't be won, but bring trouble to our door and we shall beat the living **** out of you'

Just how it should be.

inheritance tax abolished
exit of the common fisheries policy and reinstatement of British territorial waters
abolish live export of animals for slaughter

All winners for the working class voters looking to make ends meet.

I also like the fact that HS2 will be scrapped
jail sentences will be served full term parole not an automatic right
a britdisc where foreign drivers have to buy a license that will help cover the disparity in fuel costs and the upkeep of roads
prisoners will not get the vote
repeal the Agency Workers Directive


still more if you want them

..........and the immigration thingy just as an added bonus eh?

prisoners will not get the vote

fuck me I never realised that!  Go Nige that'll learn em.

you asked if there was anything else I like..............I have given them to you, to be honest I do not have to justify to, you or anyone else, what policies I like/dislike or who I vote for.

would you like some more? they won't include immigration so you might be disappointed.

In your own time.  How about Slippy Blue went to the same skool? thats a good un.

and hurry up I get bored easily.

What's the big controversy of having a more strict immigration policy like the USA or Australia where you simply cherry pick the best to come here?

Are we not already weighed down by home grown riff-raff?

300+ posts on a QT thread, this is like the old days.

What's the big controversy of having a more strict immigration policy like the USA or Australia

Nothing the point I'm making is the only reason the vast majority of people will vote for UKIP is immigration and are largely ignorant about anything else they stand for

ex forces to be given a service card fast tracking them to social housing and medical treatment
abolish green taxes
child benefit restricted to first 2 children
foreign aid will continue but only for healthcare initiatives, inoculations and green water projects


and still not a mention of immigration, are you stamping your feet yet?

I actually love mass immigration. The people it's hurt the most are 99% Labour voters. So you would have to think they got what they voted for.

They must be really pleased for the future they have secured for their kids.

Say (Man of ther people) Nige fell under a bus.  Do you think this would effect their election chances?  or would some other charasmatic figure step up, say Niel Hamilton?

In your own time

sorry I am disabled I cannot type as fast as most

Mentally?

I cant stand Farage but he is a vote winner.  He isnt a man of the people, but he does a fair impression of one.  UKIP would lose an awful lot of votes with Hamilton in charge.

you don't make yourself look good with insults like that thin and crispy

Well done Thin and Crispy. Lost that argument with an appalling slur.

Without the working class vote UKIP can only go after Tory seats.  Immigration and the effects on their lives is the number 1 issue why working class people will vote for Nige and they are voting for Nige.  Put some of the other swivel eyed loons up and see how far they get.

A. What makes you think I'm trying to make myself look good.
B. Whats wrong with being mentally disabled?

I think this has run it's course

Define 'working class'.

Immigration keeps wages low, places strain on the NHS, schools and roads. It keeps demand ahead of supply in housing thus it's inflationary.

Immigration damages the employment chances of young people.

All of these things greatly affect the traditional Labour voter. If I was Farage I would forget Tory seats and target Labour strongholds.

UKIP will repeal the Climate Change Act 2008 which costs the economy £18bn a year.
UKIP supports a diverse energy market including coal, nuclear, shale gas, geo-thermal, tidal, solar, conventional gas and oil. - Wot no wind??
UKIP supports the development of shale gas
There will be no new subsidies for wind farms and solar arrays.
UKIP will abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change and scrap green subsidies.
UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods
UKIP supports a benefit cap
We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights.
UKIP opposes ‘plain paper packaging’ for tobacco products and minimum pricing of alcohol
Businesses should be able to discriminate

Immigration keeps wages low, places strain on the NHS, schools and roads. It keeps demand ahead of supply in housing thus it's inflationary.

Immigration damages the employment chances of young people.

All of these things greatly affect the traditional Labour voter.

I agree with all of that.  I repeat the point I'm making is that for the vast majority of people the only reason they will vote for UKIP is because of immigration and because Farage heads the campagain.  Take away one of those and it all falls apart.

Tbf, the vast majority don't vote based on a whole shopping list of items.

Why would anyone listen to any manifesto pledge? Look at Cameron before the last election. He promised:

Cast iron referendum. Nope

Bonfire of the Quangos. Nope

Rip up the Human Rights Act. Nope

He never mentioned: Gay marriage. Yep.

Well done Dave

Did Dave C promise a guaranteed referendum on EU exit in this parliament?  Not saying you are wrong, just would like a link to an unambiguous statement.

The audience member that laid into Brand really showed him up for what he is - a hypocritical, leftie, dim-witted, obnoxious, crass, champagne drinking, multimillionaire, socialist bellend. Car crash tv for Brand. Great watching that smug grin disappear as he was getting his a$$ed ripped wide open. Look like he'd been donkey punched.

The ugly, UAF, blue-haired, leftie, nutjob, shouting insults and issuing threats, typifies the sort of idiots that seem to think Brand is the new messiah and will only further the public's support for UKIP and Farage.

Immigration and the effects on their lives is the number 1 issue why working class people will vote for Nige and they are voting for Nige.

So? The working class people clearly feel this is a big issue. All the liberal guardian reading pseudo-intellectual lefties like you and Brand like to present yourself as compassionate, caring and fighting for the rights of the poor and working class and a better society for the vulnerable but as soon as these people actually have the audacity to tell you the issues that have a big affect on their lives, they care about and want to be properly and maturely discussed all of a sudden they get called  thick, racist, sun reading bigots who can't think for themselves.

They are on about farage on hignfy just now.  About the breast feeding thing.  Kirsty Wark and Ian Hislop were taking the p1ss out of him..."oh I presume he thinks page3 girls are ok then". Cue hilarious laughter at this rampant hypocrisy.  Reginald D Hunter suddenly questioned whether or not Farage had said he did like page three, but they all laughed hysterically regardless because Reg D went on to say that he wasnt supporting Farage either way.  Did I hear that right?  If so that is pretty p1ss poor stuff from the beeb and just gives ammunition to those that think the beeb are anti UKIP.

The Tories would become a 1/5 shot if they sacked Cameron tomorrow and brought in  Farage in as the replacement.  Almost like the opposite to Liverpool swapping Suarez for Mario Balitelli.  They would be a shoe in.

1/5 for next election

That is b.ollox

Farage : Poundland Enock Powell

Had Farage made a Poundland quip about Brand the Guardian lot would be seething at him looking down his nose at people that shop there.

One rule for the left, one for the right.

Thin and Crispy
In your own time

Burton-Brewers    12 Dec 14 19:00
sorry I am disabled I cannot type as fast as most

Thin and Crispy    12 Dec 14 19:03 
Mentally?

And you have digs at me.

You couldn't make it up.

Dec 12, 2014 -- 4:25PM, Tallywagger. wrote:

Had Farage made a Poundland quip about Brand the Guardian lot would be seething at him looking down his nose at people that shop there.One rule for the left, one for the right.

Poundland just refers to cheap price, not to any people who shop there, that comes from your mind.

Still waiting for any anti-UKIP person to explain why adopting an immigration system similar to the USA & Australia would be such a bad thing.

We would be in deep trouble if UKIP got ant significant power but I agree with limits on immigration.

Need to leave Europe to do it though.

Missed this.

I've just seen it's being repeated on BBC2 at the moment.
Missed the first half hour of it but it's on till 02:40.

It is actually a waste of time Tommy.  Dont watch it.

I watched from when I posted, Rob - and yes, it was a waste of time.

Best bit was first half hour.

Harry Enfield Question Time Sketch;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tUqRBiMVo

Very good ozymandius.  Some of the clapping was a little restrained for my liking.

I think Harry Enfield nailed it nicely