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We are very generous., in some countries people are proper starving, not in UK, thanks to food banks. From my experience of travelling, "need" is a very over used word in this country.
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There will always be people for whatever reason who need a meal and it gladdens the heart that kind individuals will hold out a hand to help. It helps build a sense of community and it helps the destitute know that there are people out there who care about them. I'd imagine for those people that the sense of belonging this engenders is almost as warming as a decent meal.
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Food banks treat the symptoms rather than the problems.
This isn't going to help solve the problems - in fact, quite the opposite. A lot of people aren't going to turn down the opportunity of free food. |
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What are the problems Jack?
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all problems stem from house prices......
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All of em?
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I knew there was a reason my horse lost yesterday which wasn't explained by the fact that I picked an asthmatic, blind, three legged donkey.
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Lack of budgeting ability.
Lack of personal responsibility. Benefits culture. Mental health problems. Drug problems. Alcohol problems. Social problems. Decline of family units. Slow and Unwieldy benefits system (system geared towards long term rather than short term) Lack of knowledge about available benefits. Poor NHS 'aftercare'. |
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Some good points there Jack none of which I'd disagree with. Treating some of those problems could take a generation Some may not be treatable. Perhaps sometimes treating a symptom may be the best we can achieve. Which isn't to suggest that we shouldn't seek to address some of those problems to help diminish some of the symptoms.
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My wife showed me a lovely little idea this morning for helping others at Christmas. You get a shoe box and fill it with little toys, used or new, no need for them to be expensive, and you send them to a child in Africa. As eternaloptimist rightly points out its one of the most wonderful things in life when someone lends a helping hand to others. Its also one of the most simplest things in life.
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and house prices
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I blame the Tories. They even put a cap on benefits of only 25K a year. Back to the Victorian era I think.
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Now the Church of England have given their two penn'orth.
Maybe they should consider using some of the interest on their £5bn investments. |
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so if I deposit a bag of frozen chips will I get a return of a sack of Maris Piper next year?
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Don't be silly BB, you will get "free chips" to use in the unfair casino.
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Some people love free stuff. It's a case of supply and demand. Some even have such little self respect that they will use websites like groupon.
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I see the Archbishop mentions the family who were there because the family had no money because the father had to buy tyres for his car so that he could go to work. In the 60's my father in law cycled from Birmingham to Coventry to work until he found a job nearer home. I don't know the family's other circumstances but for the price of one tyre you could get a second hand bike which reduces your travel expenses no end.
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Should means test food banks.
DO you smoke? Yes = No freebie food Do you drink? Yes = No freebies DO you take drugs? = On your way Sonny Do you drive a Car? = You having a laff? Are you obese? = Time to start a diet kiddo |
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more like...
rent takes too much out of the budget. food bills are higher than on the continent because of property and rental prices for firms...knock on effect. low wages...see line above...have to keep costs down when do the people fight back? |
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cant wit for interest rate to start going up.
thats when the sh1t starts to hit the fan.....cerrashhhhh |
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If you provide a free service, then pretty soon the users of the free service will make adjustments to their lifestyles and start to treat the free service as a necessity rather than an occasional helping hand.
Make no mistake, regardless of the state of the economy or rising living standards, it will take a very brave local authority to stop financing these food banks once they start. With a third of local authorities recorded in March 2014 spending money on food banks, it looks like they're here to stay. |
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tbh financing them should be minimal.
just place to store and hand out the food with volunteers should do. maybe get some mp's and bankers to volunteer some of their time especially the ones who only work 1 or 2 days a week for 100k etc. they can stand outside supermarkets collecting food donations for the needy |
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Aldis, bag of onions, big fk off swede, bag of carrots, some celery, 12 rolls, tin of toms...Costs about £3 and makes about 12 bowls of delicious soup each with a roll.
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Help begins at Home,
Did You Know; The international aid budget is £10.3bn. It makes up 1.4% of total Government spending. In recent years aid to Africa has increased, while aid to Asia has decreased. The five highest recipients of DFID Bilateral Aid in 2012/13 were Ethiopia, Nigeria, India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan. Argentina milks millions out of UK foreign aid budget,The UK has handed the South American country £225million out of our foreign aid budget over the past 20 years. it emerged human rights abuses in Ethiopia – where security forces are accused of burning, torturing and raping citizens – had got worse during a four-year period when the UK gave the country more than £1billion. |
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DO you smoke? Yes = No freebie food
Do you drink? Yes = No freebies DO you take drugs? = On your way Sonny Do you drive a Car? = You having a laff? Are you obese? = Time to start a diet kiddo do you have tattoos ? do you have an Iphone ? do you have sky TV ? Obviously all are considered necessities in this day and age |
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Rob makes a good point but sadly too many of us have forgotten the art of buying cleverly never mind cooking properly.
I started making soup a couple of years ago. So cheap, delicious and better for you. |
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Necessity is the the mother of invention.
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House prices do have a lot to answer for. Selling council houses was a terribly short sighted policy.
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Basically house pice inflation is no good for virtually anyone. If you care about your kids' future then you shouldnt be wallowing in the fact your house has gone up twenty grand in value in the last year or so.
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I don't have kids, got to use the brain in this game
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more food banks in uk no foriegn aid feed uk people simple
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Aldis, bag of onions, big fk off swede, bag of carrots, some celery, 12 rolls, tin of toms...Costs about £3 and makes about 12 bowls of delicious soup each with a roll.
and while you're in there get a bag of porridge oats (about 35p) and 2 litres of milk for a £1. Breakfast sorted for a week. |
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Exactly. I prefer Scott's Porage oats and am prepared to pay £2 a kilo. That will do 15-20 portions. Half a spoon of sugar. Slug of milk. 15p.
Made two lots of soup at weekend. Pea and ham and 'Tuscan bean soup' - the recipe called it. Probably averaged 40p a large serving. Delicious. I am not poor. I eat these things because I like them and they aren't bad for me. |
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If you need a change from oats for the porridge try doing it Jamaican style with cornmeal. £1.30 for 1.5kg.
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rob_dylan 07 Dec 14 20:15
House prices do have a lot to answer for. Selling council houses was a terribly short sighted policy. Spot on. |
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Not so sure about cornmeal.
I used to use Neal's Yard Jumbo Oats from Holland and Barrett. Very nutty. They don't do them any more. Or at least they aren't like they used to be. |
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Are food prices high in the UK?
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/jul/26/uk-cities-food-prices-survey |
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Yep , you can actually eat very very cheaply, it might not be what you WANT to eat but you won’t starve and it’ll be a lot healthier than Iceland pizzas , mcdonalds etc etc.
I don’t eat very much processed food (I admit whoppers with no mayo are my weakness), I got into the habit as student and it’s continued ever since, plus it’s actually cheaper but that’s not the issue for me now. If I make meatloaf I do so in bulk and have a about 12 small ones on hand in tin boxes in the freezer so I only have to put the time and effort in once then after that it’s just take it out the freezer and in the oven for an hour or. The same goes for shepherd’s pie, chilli , meatballs and bolognaise, various stews etc etc. Basically too many are just too thick and lazy to cook basic stuff from scratch. I agree with the comment re if you smoke , drink etc etc then you have no right going to food banks cos then you’re taking it from people who are living on the edge. Dotchinite – 25k benefit cap is hardly low and hardly Victorian, it should line with 40hrs a week on min wages (13.5k). Try reading something like “Road To Wigan Pier” or “Down And Out In Paris And London” or visit an African country, then you might see how we have very very little real poverty in this country , just relative poverty which I’m afraid is something quite different. |
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I'm pretty sure Dotchinite was being ironic. It shows how far the political weather moved to the left that we could ever have some people who were outraged that this was going to be the limit.
Interest developments on this thread. Who needs food banks? The chit chat massive can sort this problem out double quick. |