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It was not my intention. I was watching Mike Basset England Manager on youtube and then found myself watching one of the suggested links which was a great debate between Brian Clough and Don Reavie. One of the suggested links to that interview was then the 1967 Frost interview of Oswald Mosley. I found it very ironic how Mosley kept so composed and answered every question so directly while one person in particular in the audience was so aggressive in his line of questioning.
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First time I had ever seen Mosley "in person". He was completely different to how I expected.
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Mosley was certainly an exceptionally talented politician.
Frost's case against him was overwhelming, and he also had a particularly aggressive audience to deal with. Yet he managed to answer ever question head on and still finished with a flourish. He was 71 years of age when that was recorded. The BBC didn't make the same mistake when they had Nick Griffin on Question Time. There they had a hand picked panel, prepared questions and the audience lined up against him. I reckon even someone as good as Mosley would have struggled against that barrage. |
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paddletoe 04 Dec 14 09:40
First time I had ever seen Mosley "in person". He was completely different to how I expected. You mean you hadn't thought he was an arrogant,anti Semitic, racist and fascist, still in denial after all those years. He was a Hitler like figure who speeches,uniform and posturing were an exact copy. His Black Shirts were his Nazi Party - even down to the salute. For him to deny he was not anti Jewish, that his black shirts never waged 'war ' on the Jewish communities is a sick joke. A pathetic figure, who failed in his objectives. Was jailed for his actions. And was rightly shunned and deserted by everyone. Yet still appeared on TV with Frost and denied it all, and insisted it was all done for the best of reasons and for the greatness of the Uk. Unfortunately, deluded people have continued in his wake. The National Front, BNP ,EDL. All have failed. The new, nice ' kid on the block ' is UKIP . Following the same strategy of appealing to certain sections of society who are only too willing to have a reason they can point to and blame as to why they are suffering. And again ,it's the racist card that is played, blame immigration and whip up the hysteria and promise the earth in return for support. Sometimes we learn nothing from history. To point the finger at immigrants, or the poor 'feckless benefit scroungers' as the reason, really is a cheap misguided trick. But it's an easy target. And easier for people to point the finger of blame. Because they can relate to it more easily. More easily, than the fact that the five richest families in this country, have more wealth than the 12 million poorest, and that £50 billion worth of taxes from top business and individuals, went unpaid by ' loopholes' in the law. The smoke and mirrors of government and media continue to fool people to look down for the solution instead of up ! |
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It was a fascinating interview and given his obvious powers of oratory and seeming ability to change the truth to suit his purposes it seems a quirk of fate that he didn't rise to very high office within the Labour movement of the late 20's. I say seems because given his obvious political qualities and given that his only real challenger at that time for parliamentary oration was probably Churchill it does beg the question why the Labour government didn't find him a more high ranking position than what was effectively minister without portfolio. My argument would be that many people who knew him at the time considered him a bounder even before he left the Labour party.
Undoubtedly a charismatic man but definitely a wrong un. |
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I'm sure even given their political difference him anf that other bounder facts would have got on like a house on fire. Truth is always optional for the left.
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To be honest I was not sure what to expect. Like most people I just have this certain image about him. I am not saying I was convinced by all his answers but I was impressed just how articulate he came across especially for a man in his latter years. He was not evasive in answering any questions.
His comments that's he was not imitating Hitler with his gestures while he was addressing crowds was however not convincing as I had seen a documentary on Hitlers rise to power very recently and in that documentary it showed how Hitler received coaching on how to use different mannerisms when making his speeches. Mosley seemed to copy Hitler exactly in that respect. |
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Without seeing any footage of him from earlier in his career it's impossible to say where Mosley ends and Hitler begins there paddle. As I say he was widely considered to be a master of oratory in the 20's. He certainly seems to take some cues about staging and presentation from Hitler in things like his Belle Vue speech.
People make the mistake of retrofitting thoughts about an individual so that they end up assuming that something was inevitable all along when little about history is inevitable. It is assumed that Hitler is a perisher now because events proved him to be a perisher but at the time there were a lot of people who were persuaded by him and an awful lot of anti semitism. Soemthing which never went away and still rears its head when people try to have a rational debate about Israel/Palestine. |
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He could have been a great dictator given half a chance but they treated him like a traitor so he went and lived in France.
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We don't really do dictators as a nation though. Our sense of humour won't allow it. There is just so much of the perisher and buffoon about such individuals that our instinct is to guffaw at them. Just look at that bellend Putin striding around like he is a collossus whilst preening and puffing himself up.
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Proof that fascism isn't really a right-wing or left-wing ideology, although not as a neat a one as nazis. Is there anyone who has been affiliated to more political parties?
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I do like that his ideas of a united Europe came to pass, maybe not QUITE in the way he imagined :-)
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Eeternaloptimist 04 Dec 14 11:49
I'm sure even given their political difference him anf that other bounder facts would have got on like a house on fire. Truth is always optional for the left. You obviously don't take in what people state. So I've jumbled the next sentence up, to make you concentrate more. On fire piss had wouldn't on he if him been. |
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a are humourless prick. You
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rob, don't hold back, say what you really think
 facts, are angry with the whole world??  |
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are you*
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Not at all. Just unfairness, greed and corruption at the expense of the defenceless.
P.s to rob Off fck ! |
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Fair enough.
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Scratch a left winger be they racist like Mosley or obsessed with racism like Facts and you will find an authoritarian trying to tell people how they should live their lives.
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I'm very wary of left wingers, and in particular Socialists, They have nothing and the barstewards want to share with everyone!
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BOXING
I am quite happy to lend you my Somali staff, while I am busy on the Guardian page. |
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moisok, you are as always, kind and generous to a falt, gawd bless you governor.
It must 7years since we have crossed paths. Still a pleasure.  |
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To desire to be a leader of a country you have to usually be what the medical profession call "a bit of a nut job"
Oswald would never succeed in Britain because he obviously had a kangaroo loose in the top paddock. You have to be able to disguise your mental short comings a bit better to get to the top in this country. |
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Clungehungry 04 Dec 14 13:20
Proof that fascism isn't really a right-wing or left-wing ideology, although not as a neat a one as nazis. What? |
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max's old man?
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Yes.
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If it wasn't for the greedy ,self serving, paedophile hugging,lying barstarrds who've been ruining, sorry, Running the country over the past 20 years or so , then people wouldn't be swayed into voting for more hard line parties.
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The new, nice ' kid on the block ' is UKIP . Following the same strategy of appealing to certain sections of society who are only too willing to have a reason they can point to and blame as to why they are suffering. And again ,it's the racist card that is played, blame immigration and whip up the hysteria and promise the earth in return for support.
Sometimes we learn nothing from history. To point the finger at immigrants, or the poor 'feckless benefit scroungers' as the reason, really is a cheap misguided trick. But it's an easy target. And easier for people to point the finger of blame. Because they can relate to it more easily. straight out of the Socialist Workers Party manual So does the country allow uncontrolled immigration, where literally anyone can walk into the country? The gaols are full of foreign criminals, the increased terrorism threat, the strain on public services, etc etc. We cannot take ALL the worlds waifs and strays. There must be a limit. There is also 1 million under 25's out there looking for work - might be an idea to try and find them a job first rather than import cheap labour from the 4 corners of the world. You need to wise up |
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Facts 04 Dec 14 14:54
Not at all. Just unfairness, greed and corruption at the expense of the defenceless. 10 pages in (400 posts) and you still haven’t appeared on the Rotherham Abuse Enquiry thread yet, and condemned the actions of pakistani muslims against defenceless white girls. Or admitted that Nick Griffin was right years ago about the abuse and cover up in Bradford, but people like you called him racist for it. Or admitted that the Daily Mail was right when they wrote about it. No surprise that your rag, The Guardian, blocks comments about it on their website. Have you asked how it's possible that Question Time had a show in Birmingham two weeks ago, but to my surprise, the 'Trojan Horse' scandal never got a mention. |
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Do I really.
Immigration is not uncontrolled, anyone cannot literally walk into the country. Our prisons are full of foreign criminals ! What % of prisoners in our jails are immigrants ? We do not take ALL the worlds waifs and strays If the jobs are really there, then what's stopping the young unemployed taking them ? Immigrants are not taking jobs from UK workers. I think it's you who need to wise up, and not be suckered into believing the political spin, and the media 'newspeak ' |
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Do I have to be seen to defend the indefensible ? Are you implying that I don't condemn the atrocities metered out by certain factions of the Muslim community on certain white girls ? Of course I do. What I won't do is blanket discriminate the whole Pakistani /Muslim society in Rotherham, or in any part of the UK. Nor will I ever agree with anything the racist Griffin utters. The man is scum. Neither will I believe everything that your rag The Daily Mail prints. It delights in publishing articles designed to ' whip up hate and discord ' |
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facts. Would you continue to allow immigration from countries who when they get here are involved in tens of thousands of rapes?
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Neither will I believe everything that your rag The Daily Mail prints.
There you go again. 'my rag' As stated most likely a hundred times over the years, I have not purchased a newspaper for years, at least all this century. Nor will I ever agree with anything the racist Griffin utters. The man is scum. Why is he scum? He wants a predominantly white UK population. What's wrong with that? As Injera posted a few days ago, Griffin was against the war in Iraq. Strange behaviour for a 'racist'- missing a chance to kill hundreds, if not thousands, of 'darkies'. |
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Is it countries or in fact elements of a specific culture/religion from whom the ongoing brave attempts of our security services to stop the buggers blowing us up, female genital mutilation, subjugation of women, refusal to integrate and often learn the language?
We don't have a problem with Hindus, Sikh's, Chinese and others so I guess the question being asked of facts is do the negative aspects of that specific culture/religion outweigh the positives? |
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Neither will I believe everything that your rag The Daily Mail prints. It delights in publishing articles designed to ' whip up hate and discord '
How many copies a day does your rag, The Guardian, sell? |
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Or in certain cases please name the positives as I cant see them.
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It stops us being "hideously white"?
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For more than 60 years it's been difficult to see where Hitler ends and Stalin begins. Luckily we've (many in the world haven't) been living in that slippery zone. But luck always runs out. Time to start choosing your insane extreme?
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That could be extremely profound bodil. Can you explain it to me?
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EO, you said earlier in this thread Mosley was a left winger??? A little confused aren't you mate?? He was a far right wing Nazi. I think you are confusing National Socialist(hitlier,mosley..facist) with socialism of thee left wing kind..i.r tony benn,dennis skinner Jeremy corbyn etc. Or are you saying Mosley shared the same politics as Dennis Skinner and Tony Benn???
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