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john92
27 Nov 14 16:19
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I'm still not sure on this one. The police have told so many other lies about this. A politician who is clearly a t1t or an organisation who have seen one (atm) member jailed for lying about what went on. Imagine trying to work out who to believe.
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Report ebulGery November 27, 2014 4:31 PM GMT
How calling someone a pleb ends up as a libel case is totally beyond me?????????????????????????????

Its not even a particularly an offensive word, people have called me plebs(probably deservedly)

I have called them plebs....any sensible human being forgets about it 5 mins

it just means someone been has the bit of an idiot which we all are at times

We have become a society who are obsessed with the trivialSad
Report Wesdag November 27, 2014 4:42 PM GMT
The problem is the person doing the name calling just so happens to be someone who needs the votes of so-called plebs.
Report CLYDEBANK29 November 27, 2014 4:46 PM GMT
It is a particularly offensive word but I think the whole case is absurd.  The equivalent been said to me and from me plenty of times on here.
Report dambuster November 27, 2014 4:50 PM GMT
He should have called him a ****, and be done with it, the thick copper would have understood that.
A politician ..world leaders in Lying.
A policeman ..world leaders in Lying...
Cry
Report john92 November 27, 2014 4:54 PM GMT
According to the judge the copper was

"not the sort of man who would have had the wit, imagination or inclination to invent on the spur of the moment an account of what a senior politician had said to him in temper"


So he is too thick to have made it up so it is 'probably' true. What a mess.
Report Dr Crippen November 27, 2014 5:01 PM GMT
Mitchell was a fool for going to court.

He should know that courts are like lotteries.
The judge surmised that he had used the word and said the PC was too thick to have made it up, so he says Mitchell is a liar.

Giving his ruling, Mr Justice Mitting said: "For the reasons given I am satisfied at least on the balance of probabilities that Mr Mitchell did speak the words alleged or something so close to them as to amount to the same including the politically toxic word pleb."

''satisfied at least on the balance of probabilities''

What kind of evidence is that?
Report Burton-Brewers November 27, 2014 5:09 PM GMT
near enough
Report Dr Crippen November 27, 2014 5:13 PM GMT
If you haven't gat a water tight case you shouldn't go to court.
Report Wesdag November 27, 2014 5:14 PM GMT
Mitchell is an utter fool.

Pretty much everybody was in agreement that he was fitted up by plod.

He was the victor in the court of public opinion but yet he decides to go to a court of law...Crazy
Report berto77 November 27, 2014 6:08 PM GMT
Stig Abell, managing editor of the Sun, also welcomed the verdict, hailing it as "a vindication for the Sun and its journalists - it is a victory for all journalism".

CryCry
Report donny osmond November 27, 2014 6:16 PM GMT
fancied an easy pay out from police ( funded by me and you, a.k.ka the real plebs)

quite a decent verdict imo, balance of probabilities must have been a tough call
for the judge given the two sides at issue
Report The Leopard November 27, 2014 6:22 PM GMT
Judiciary and cops are all in the Freemasons.....QED
Report curious-cat November 27, 2014 6:27 PM GMT
Wasn't there an earlier claim of taped evidence which showed the police were lying ?

At least for everyone who has been fitted up by police lies there is some consolation in it happening to a leading politician if that is what has happened.
Personally I am on the side of the police ... Cameron was quick to dismiss Mitchell.
Report Dr Crippen November 27, 2014 6:27 PM GMT
Fortunes are lost all the time by people betting on the balance of probabilities.

He might just as well have tossed a coin and asked Mitchell to call heads or tails.
Report alun2005 November 27, 2014 6:29 PM GMT
Agreed.
Report mad mad moon November 27, 2014 6:39 PM GMT
How can the legal costs amount to £3 million???
He either said it or he didnt. Why has it taken 2 years to achieve a verdict??
Did the barristers get together and have a sweepstake on how long they could keep it going!
Report Wesdag November 27, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
Just like playing poker but with a pack of lawyers instead of cards.
Report curious-cat November 27, 2014 6:55 PM GMT
I refer the honourable gentlemen to Jarndyce and Jarndyce.
Report akabula November 27, 2014 7:03 PM GMT
Waste of money, should never have got to the courts.
Report Wesdag November 27, 2014 7:05 PM GMT
He must love that bike.
Report The Leopard November 27, 2014 7:06 PM GMT
I think it's been compacted.
Report Thin and Crispy November 27, 2014 7:10 PM GMT
He must have borrowed Jonathon Aitken's Sword of Truth
Report A_T November 27, 2014 7:16 PM GMT
bad misjudgement from Mitchell clearly thought after the copper was convicted the wind was in his sails. Wrong!
Report akabula November 27, 2014 7:28 PM GMT
Thin and Crispy
He must have borrowed Jonathon Aitken's Sword of Truth


I'd forgot all about that. He was so serious as well the lying turd. Laugh

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR51fB8JNhI
Report Foinavon November 27, 2014 7:37 PM GMT
Three million for a minor tantrum, how pleasing.
The whole episode probably could have been avoided given a little humility.
Report Ramruma November 27, 2014 7:38 PM GMT
@curious-cat -- some (other) police were lying (making out they were tourists who'd been shocked, for instance) but not, it appears, the ones most centrally involved.
Report donny osmond November 27, 2014 10:16 PM GMT
the legal system has decided that the chances mitchel  called them plebs is between 50% and 99%

expensive job
Report boxingthefox November 27, 2014 10:22 PM GMT
Foinavon

Three million for a minor tantrum, how pleasing.
The whole episode probably could have been avoided given a little humility.

Alas we are talking about an MP, and a Tory to boot, He was winning the "public sympathy vote" but his head was so far up his own arris, arrogance got the better of him. Bankruptcy (get out card) calling ?
Report akabula November 27, 2014 10:26 PM GMT
Alas we are talking about an MP, and a Tory to boot, He was winning the "public sympathy vote" but his head was so far up his own arris, arrogance got the better of him. Bankruptcy (get out card) calling ?

No way. He should be able to claim this through his expenses.
Report boxingthefox November 27, 2014 10:28 PM GMT
AKA, LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh you're not wrong. SadLaugh
Report Dotchinite November 27, 2014 10:31 PM GMT
If you ever want proof that the legal parasites are totally out of control this is it.
Report boxingthefox November 27, 2014 10:34 PM GMT
I agree Dotchinite, but don't you think someone ELECTED to run the country would know this.
Report Foinavon November 27, 2014 10:42 PM GMT
He's never had my sympathy boxingthefox, glad he's been brought down a peg or two.
I ran a quick search on the net and see that his net worth is estimated at 2.2 million so may need his mates to chip in a few quid for him.
Report boxingthefox November 27, 2014 10:43 PM GMT
Excellent,DevilLaugh
Report dunlaying November 27, 2014 11:03 PM GMT
Oh I do hope it ruins the little ****.
Report dustybin November 28, 2014 5:45 AM GMT
Report• Quote • Block User Dr Crippen • November 27, 2014 6:27 PM GMT
Fortunes are lost all the time by people betting on the balance of probabilities.

He might just as well have tossed a coin and asked Mitchell to call heads or tails.



Well that's what happens when you sell your soul to monetarism, you get generations of opportunistic spivvy speculators who chance their arm and input nowt.

Could say it's like backing the wrong horse.
Report raspberrybottom November 28, 2014 7:14 AM GMT
Whole thing astonishingly daft if you ask me.

If Mitchell swore at the copper and called him an pleb
why didn't the copper just say "%*#+ you, ya ponce."
Or something like that as the bloke cycled off? End of story really.
Report raspberrybottom November 28, 2014 7:14 AM GMT
* a pleb
Report dustybin November 28, 2014 7:29 AM GMT
What do you mean after he's out of earshot?
Maybe doff a cap to the master too and thank him for his grace upon us.

This tells a story, one of what the mindset is of the supposed ruling classes towards the very ppl kept in line while being fed  feel good ethereal notions like 'democracy' that doesn't even exist in the real world.
Report bix November 28, 2014 8:12 AM GMT
Bankrupt. Could be coming to a council flat near you. Bad credit history as well now.
Do they still leave you with a bed and a table and chair?
Report TheBetterBettor November 28, 2014 8:23 AM GMT
Whatever happened to 'beyond reasonable doubt'?

Sounded like the judge was trying to make it up as he went along.


Id rather have the lie detectors in than this guesser in charge.


Id doubt the same verdict would be returned if it was trial by jury.
Report tictacman1 November 28, 2014 8:31 AM GMT
Spend another  1/2 million appealing...in for a penny in for a pound !

The lawyers christmas presents came early... poor judgement if not reckless this libel case.

What a plod
Report dustybin November 28, 2014 8:32 AM GMT
If some of his tory chums are to be believed he has form in this area.

Will be interesting where he pops up. Politics has this habit of churning MPs like sacked football managers.
Recipe is usually to wait until a few others get found out over something else then bring em back like nowt ever happened.

This ruling makes him officially a liar too doesn't it? Sure there's room in politics still.
Report dustybin November 28, 2014 8:35 AM GMT
*i assume the ruling means he's a liar that should have read.
Report Dotchinite November 28, 2014 11:58 AM GMT
It means he is a fool risking everything on a decision that is made purely by a guess as whose story is 51% likely to be truthful.
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