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Net migration to Britain has increased significantly to 260,000 despite the Government's pledge to reduce the total to just "tens of thousands".

The Office for National Statistics said net migration - the number of immigrants arriving minus the number of people emigrating - was up 78,000 year-on-year in the 12 months to the end of June.


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By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 27 Nov 14 10:17
Are they liars or incompetent?

[b]The head of Britain’s immigration watchdog has accused Theresa May of personally delaying the publication of his office’s independent reports which are critical of the asylum system.

In a letter to senior MPs seen by the Guardian, John Vine discloses that the home secretary is sitting on five inspections believed to be critical of the government, one of which was written five months ago.

The chief inspector of borders and immigration also warns the Commons public accounts committee that “the independence of my role is being compromised” after the home secretary assumed control of the timing of the publication of his reports.

Vine’s letter will raise serious questions about whether May is attempting to control an independent inspector in the runup to the 2015 general election.
By:
Barry Conway
When: 27 Nov 14 10:36
I heard that Romania contributed the most over this period. I suppose Farage had a point after all. Not that I am bothered. I like to play 3 card monte and vampires.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Nov 14 11:41
This overpopulation is going to end in riots.
The NHS has gone to the dogs, education for the plebs has gone to the dogs, council housing is impossible if you are the wrong type regardless of how long you've lived here. 
They're turning the best country in the world into a low wages slum.
By:
Facts
When: 27 Nov 14 12:16
They being the Tory government of course. So what else do you expect from an elitist club ?

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This Tory mob have created a class society as bad as it's ever been.What's  worse is the way they have manipulated media/communication in such a divisive way as to turn working class people against each other. - creating a blame culture that puts immigrants and people on benefits as the bette noir of society.
When all you have to do is look up ( not down), and see fat cat capatilism at work. This is what's destroying our societies.
Don't be fooled by theTory spin(lies) or Farage's  wide mouthed grin, with f a g and beer in hand. UKIP are racist, and apart from attacking immigrants, couldn't run a tea party never mind a country. Manifesto ? What manifesto.
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Nov 14 12:21
History shows all great countries commit suicide, this is what Europe is doing.
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Nov 14 12:23
Vote UKIP and stop the madness!
By:
Dotchinite
When: 27 Nov 14 12:33
Whether you support immigration or not it is a FACT that they have damaged the lives of the working classes badly. Only a fool would pretend otherwise.
By:
Facts
When: 27 Nov 14 18:38
No they haven't
By:
Facts
When: 27 Nov 14 18:41
This governments policies have damaged the working class badly. You have been fooled again by the people with wealth and power who say it's down to immigration.
By:
mad mad moon
When: 27 Nov 14 18:52
You could say that about any of the last dozen or so governments.
Blair was worse than Cameron or Major.
Dont kid yourself that whoever wins the next election will change anything.
By:
Injera
When: 27 Nov 14 18:54
Standing room only on many trains into London. Stood for 50 minutes this morning. My mate gets the 6am train just so he can get a seat.

Yet the house building mania continues...Cry
By:
berto77
When: 27 Nov 14 19:00
Whatever the rights and wrongs of immigration, the promise to reduce it to tens of thousands was utterly stupid.  It was totally unachievable, or at least uncontrollable, unless we left the EU and even if the got it down 90,000 or 70,000 would still be considered being 'swamped' by those who oppose immigration, including many Tories.
By:
bix
When: 27 Nov 14 19:02
Actually it's not the people with wealth and power who say the nations' problems are due to immigration. It's the ordinary bloke in the street who thinks something needs to be done about uncontrolled immigration.
I've also asked FACTS before but not got a reply as to which country with a non capitalist set up he admires and would feel happy living in if they'd let him in.
North Korea?
It's one thing stating the obvious that we need a more caring society but quite another explaining how to go about it other than get rid of the Tories.
By:
Just Checking
When: 27 Nov 14 19:09
I don't Facts would recognise a Fact if he was given the ladybird book of Fact idenification and a Fact was stood slapping him while wearing an overpriced T shirt that said "This is what a fact looks like", made in a sweatshop and bought from the grauniad "Fact Clothing" range.
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Could have a competition with CryOfTruth for most misleading and inaccurate forum name and random anti tory rant of 2014.
By:
mad mad moon
When: 27 Nov 14 19:12
Are you Ben Elton?
By:
Just Checking
When: 27 Nov 14 19:16
"Are you Ben Elton? " Me? No. At least I don't think so.

I hope that's not cockney rhyming slang for something rude.
In which case .. I might be BlushLaugh
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 27 Nov 14 19:20
Have the closed ALL tax loopholes? - no

Have they focused intensely on the welfare state that is a FRACTION of what tax evasion / avoidance costs the country? YES

Blair was worse than Cameron or Major.

he was a tory boy.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 27 Nov 14 19:21
lol blaming the tory party for labour mistakes Crazy
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 27 Nov 14 19:37
member of the public beheaded next
By:
Sica Dan
When: 27 Nov 14 19:52
Labour likes immigrants as they tend to vote for them.

Tories say they mind but immigrants are cheap labour
for their business paymasters.

Lib Dems like immigrants because its in their dna

Bottom line is that nothing will be done, the U.K.
job market and its relatively generous benefit  system
are magnets for immigrants.
By:
Facts
When: 28 Nov 14 15:59
bix    27 Nov 14 19:02 
A[b]ctually it's not the people with wealth and power who say the nations' problems are due to immigration. It's the ordinary bloke in the street who thinks something needs to be done about uncontrolled immigration.[/b]
I've also asked FACTS before but not got a reply as to which country with a non capitalist set up he admires and would feel happy living in if they'd let him in.
North Korea?
It's one thing stating the obvious that we need a more caring society but quite another explaining how to go about it other than get rid of the Tories.





That's my point ! The ordinary bloke in the street has listened to media and government smoke and mirror bullshit, and now believe that its all the immigrants fault.
By:
lfc1971
When: 28 Nov 14 16:14
^^^ upside down thinking.
By:
bix
When: 28 Nov 14 16:53
Facts
Jump in your car, take the ferry across to other European countries. Drive round for a while. Visit as many countries as you can and then get the ferry back and drive around the UK. The first thing that will hit you is what a ridiculously overcrowded little island we are.
We are full up and don't need an extra million people every few years..
BTW you still haven't let us know which non capitalist country/government you admire and which you think has got it right.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 28 Nov 14 17:09
Facts is a clueless fool.
By:
bix
When: 28 Nov 14 18:02
He means well.
By:
call me a taxi
When: 28 Nov 14 18:29
So did Guido Fawkes.
By:
moisok
When: 28 Nov 14 18:46
I just wondered - are they blaming it all on immigrants??  I thought most people had a much better insight on what is going on.  Including the immigration scandal.
When you consider how many it is we are talking about, though, I would guess it is a very serious issue affecting a lot of unemployed and low paid workers.  Facts and the Notting Hill crowd are not affected by low wage immigrants.
By:
dustybin
When: 29 Nov 14 05:19
It's rather ironic that a poster made reference to sweatshops above, if it wasn't for regulation we'd still have child labour and the version of capitalism we have is anti- regulation.
It's all well and good referring to tyranny as supposed examples of socialism while avoiding the fact that we supposedly had a civil war to end tyranny of the monarchy....which ended up creating an elitist system that handed power over to enterprise so the could make all at any cost...the cost being the lives of the majority as people are allowed to be rewarded to levels that far exceed their merit within a finite economy.
I suppose the capitalist world would consider the sugar barons of the 17C 'captains of industry' today because they 'created' 5hit loads of wealth by stealing it from the people who put the effort in?
This government even want the private sector to be responsible for vetting the nation as far as technology is concerned...what's that if not totalitarianism?
The fact there are few examples of honourable societies to look at in the world is as much down to the topless dancer of capitalism on its doorstep tempting humans to 'join the fun' and not care about the consequences, even though we have all become a people hell bent on greed rather than need who want to take out more than we contribute within a finite controlled economy.
Facts is correct, the detractors simple don't what to admit to the truth.
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Nov 14 08:37
Facts is wrong because it is capitalism and the ruling elite who
have wanted immigration. Straight after WW2 they realised that because
of the shortage of labour and the need to rebuild the average man had
for the first time power in his hands. This could not be allowed to continue and since then governments have allowed waves of immigration
with the sole purpose of creating a society in which big business once
again maintained the upper hand until now we have a situation were hundreds of people are after one job and millions are unemployed and
with no prospects or job security.
Immigration has been the biggest con by capitalists and the left have
fallen for it.
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Nov 14 09:08
What people don`t realise is that for a country to be successful there
must be a shortage of labour. It is not just that a successful country
will have a shortage of labour but that a shortage of labour in and of
itself creates a successful country...I know it seems strange.
By:
dustybin
When: 29 Nov 14 09:15
Labour has always been controlled through history to suit the owners of wealth.
The Black Plague created a need greater than the workforce could supply and so laws were created to force people to work and protect power bases and fortunes.
The enclosure act in the 18thC took huge swathes of land used by everyone and divied it between the well off.
The shortage of work and the saturation of workers suits enterprise during a period where state funded initiatives have been the only real countenances of a decaying need for workers (since the industrial revelution(s) by creating things like the Internet, the computer and 'smart tech'.
Payrolls get subsidised by the tax take while they continue to legally defraud society. People are only employed when the company can make more from the worker than the worker gets paid. Investment only occurs when profits can be excreted.
The market was supposed to be allowed to function and decide, but when it fails the rules are changed and we are supposed to forget the fact that Keynesianism bailed it out. Huge sectors like the financial and power (where investors artificially use a vital necessity and decide amounts of return) are used as vehicles to provide opportunities for those with huge wealth to make huge returns by doing nothing.
These are the real issues, not frowning at the cultures of different societies that come here. The issue is again the tory smarmy lie machine pulls out some contrived reason why it's not them its others' fault.
When they came to power they said everything was the fault of those in power last, now they have been in power it's the fault of everyone internationally.
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Nov 14 09:21
Actually historians looking at Britain were perplexed at the years following the Black Plague. They noticed a rise in wealth in the
peasant and working classes that was unprecedented in Britains history.
The looked into why this had occurred and realised it was because of
the shortage of labour.
Only under a labour shortage can the average person have a good life.
By:
dustybin
When: 29 Nov 14 09:25
In reference to tory Blair being representation of socialism, then it's rather apt is it not that the problems most have with him was down to the fact he emulated tory ideology, therefore supporters of that ideology can hardly scoff.
The continued pillage of services which arguably had everyone's interest in and the frankly illicit level of allowing people to commit control fraud were all old tory concepts sold under the belief that looking after oneself was somehow virtuous and had no ill effect.
We now see evidence in the black holes of the economy, and any amount of blaming others like labour 'for spending others money' or selling off gold too low cannot hide this fact.
By:
dustybin
When: 29 Nov 14 09:27
The labour shortage did indeed result in better conditions and pay for the workers initially, that is why laws were made to kerb it as landowners couldn't get the workers at the desired rate to fell crops etc.
They bemoaned the fact they would lose estates and so legislation stepped in.
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Nov 14 09:30
It has nothing to do with Labour or Tory policy..there has been a struggle in Britain for power since WW2 between the vast majority of
people and those who have the money and power...immigration has been
the trump card of those in control and they have won and in the process
are destroying Britain and Europe.
By:
dustybin
When: 29 Nov 14 09:31
Immigration is a sideshow
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Nov 14 09:34
It is the most important factor because population is so important,
the only way out of recession is a drastic and quick reduction in the population of Britain and Europe..nothing else will stop Europes collapse.
By:
dustybin
When: 29 Nov 14 09:41
While I will agree that over population of any land mass becomes a problem as an unrequired workforce exceeds demand I suggest that this is one part of a larger problem that is focussed on to cover the extent of the problem.
If world poverty can be cured 2.5 times over by the amount of money transferred collectively out of the reaches of the tax authorities over a period of just over a year (I forget the source of that statistic) then that suggests irrespective of vocation there is plenty of money to go around.
The fact that it's secured and held by small amounts of individuals is the real issue, and that because people get rewarded more egregiously out of kilter in relation to ability at the top than they do at the bottom.
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Nov 14 09:43
^^^ I agree totally.
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