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have asked this question before, the spread is around the 8 seats mark at the moment. Daily Mail and the express are the most likely ones but what about the Sun.
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The Mirror and Guardian will be blindly Labour. The rest are up in the air imo. They are mainly anti a certain party than pro a party. Because they are scared to put their money where their mouth is,
The Sun will wait until nearer the time and see how the landscape looks so that they can claim how they influenced the electorate
Weare playing your lot today Burton. May the best team win as long as it is Luton.
I'm sure it will be a good game, however with a new manager and a couple of players missing I am not making a prediction on this one
I am totally confused by the market support for Bury. I backed Luton at 30s and am sticking given their current price hasnt come in significantly.
"It's the sun wot wun it!"
The Daily Mail is ridiculously anti Europe but I think they are anti UKIP, I'd say what they really want is a eurosceptic tory party that has actually moved to the right, (fan of Cameron they aren't as they are fairly centrist under him, despite the inevitable bile to the contrary).
The Daily Mail is ridiculously anti Europe but I think they are anti UKIP, I'd say what they really want is a eurosceptic tory party that has actually moved to the right, (fan of Cameron they aren't as they are fairly centrist under him, despite the inevitable bile to the contrary).
rob_dylan 22 Nov 14 13:08
have asked this question before, the spread is around the 8 seats mark at the moment. Daily Mail and the express are the most likely ones but what about the Sun.
As the Sun is the comic you read , you must be cheering on that it will.
have asked this question before, the spread is around the 8 seats mark at the moment. Daily Mail and the express are the most likely ones but what about the Sun.
As the Sun is the comic you read , you must be cheering on that it will.
I dont like UKIP nor do I read the sun. Facts you are a clown.
I can't say I never get the Sun , I treat it as kind of a t&ts and non news supplement to go with the Times.
It would have to be one of the newspapers not printed in a works full of immigrants.
No newspaper will back ukip.
The newspapers that hate the EU will back the Tories to get a referendum (and probably say that it's the only reason they're backing them - "Britain at a crossroads...time to settle the matter for a generation...people must have their say etc etc"
The newspapers that hate the EU will back the Tories to get a referendum (and probably say that it's the only reason they're backing them - "Britain at a crossroads...time to settle the matter for a generation...people must have their say etc etc"
@rob_dylan -- The Guardian is not blindly Labour, and last time supported the LibDems.
That's true. In fact they've only supported labour outright in 5 of the last 10 general elections. They're too trendy and flighty to be pinned down to one party.
The Guardian will be Labour this time. Blindly and unthinkingly.
Under normal circumstances I'm sure you're right. But having to endorse Ed Miliband as Prime Minister will make them agonise.
I think they might chicken out and try to be clever by going for 'none of the above' and saying "democracy in crisis" which can only be solved with political reform - electoral reform, party funding, lobbying, transparency/anti state surveillance. Just a thought.
I think they might chicken out and try to be clever by going for 'none of the above' and saying "democracy in crisis" which can only be solved with political reform - electoral reform, party funding, lobbying, transparency/anti state surveillance. Just a thought.
No they will be pro labour. Their punisment for the war in Iraq should be more than 5 years out of office if you ask me. Sexing up the dossier is as bad a crime by government that I can remember.
From Yes Minister / Yes, Prime Minister
Humphrey: "The only way to understand the Press is to remember that they pander to their readers' prejudices."
Hacker: Don't tell me about the press, I know exactly who reads the papers:
The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country;
The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country;
The Times is read by people who actually do run the country;
the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country;
the Financial Times is read by people who own the country;
The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country;
and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.
Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?
Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.
Humphrey: "The only way to understand the Press is to remember that they pander to their readers' prejudices."
Hacker: Don't tell me about the press, I know exactly who reads the papers:
The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country;
The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country;
The Times is read by people who actually do run the country;
the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country;
the Financial Times is read by people who own the country;
The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country;
and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.
Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?
Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.
rob_dylan 23 Nov 14 11:53
No they will be pro labour. Their punisment for the war in Iraq should be more than 5 years out of office if you ask me. Sexing up the dossier is as bad a crime by government that I can remember.
Tories would've done the same. They wouldn't have been so ham-fisted about it though.
No they will be pro labour. Their punisment for the war in Iraq should be more than 5 years out of office if you ask me. Sexing up the dossier is as bad a crime by government that I can remember.
Tories would've done the same. They wouldn't have been so ham-fisted about it though.
Never mind what the tories may or may not have done. Labour sexed up the dossier to justify a war. That stinks. That is worse than privatisation, the falklands, selling council houses etc. and they still got in in 2005. Why ffs? 100,000 died in Iraq, people could have voted for the greens the loonies, the lib dems anyone but they let the fkers back in.
I despise Blair et al but I can't get worked up about them lying to justify going to war - we were always going, WMD or not. As for voting Lib-Dem, look what happens when people do that!
boxingthefox - I've been meaning to pull that Yes Minister/Prime Minister quote out for a while. LOL
I dont get that Mik. "We were always going, WMD or not". the Labour govt have some serious blood on the hands and it isnt all washed off by simply saying " oh yeah but thatcher was a bitch too"
pawras here is the youtube link. Still very funny..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M
I'm not trying to absolve the Labour govt - they're all c*nts as far as I'm concerned - but we would've done what the Yanks wanted, whoever was in charge. Nowt to do with Thatcher, though I'm not sure she would've been worried about any dossier to begin with!
Still dont get that. Why would we have done what the yanks wanted regardless? A strong PM could have stood up to them.
Like Thatcher did for the first Gulf War, you mean?
I remember reading all the Yes Minister/Prime Minister stuff years ago when commuting on the train, I believe it was Thatchers fav prog.
There was some level of justification for that war. And there wasnt a sexed up dossier.
rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.rob, in answer to your question, I can't see any national daily taking a chance at this point, and as for getting a strong PM from the self serving career MP's that we have at the moment, it's never going to happen. I usually avoid talking about politics/politicians as it is mind numbingly depressing.
I don't understand the "pull" that America has over us and why when they say jump we say how high, given that we are supposed to belong to a big European club ourselves. Undoubtedly major corporations and financial institutions hold great sway in our predatory (is there any other sort)capitalist system. "give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, "give a man a bank and he can rob a the world". War is big business, and in the USA the bottom line comes before anything else.
More worrying is the lack of knowledge in the the most powerful country in the world Ambrose Bierce is often quoted..."War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." which is spot on, outside major cities in America the ignorance is stunning, I won't be holding my breath that they will cop themselves on any time soon and demand better governance. The fact that we dance to their tune is quite unbelievable.
Pessimistic? sadly yes.
Nov 23, 2014 -- 9:22AM, boxingthefox wrote:
From Yes Minister / Yes, Prime Minister Humphrey: "The only way to understand the Press is to remember that they pander to their readers' prejudices."Hacker: Don't tell me about the press, I know exactly who reads the papers: The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country;The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by people who actually do run the country;the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country;the Financial Times is read by people who own the country;The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country;and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.
Superb quotes. And pretty much still true today.
rob_dylan 23 Nov 14 16:28
There was some level of justification for that war. And there wasnt a sexed up dossier.
If there was, it was marginal. Besides, they were going to war in Afghanistan with or without a sexed-up dossier. Iraq was just a bonus. Not sure why they felt the need to justify it tbh. Just made them look bigger c*nts than they already were.
There was some level of justification for that war. And there wasnt a sexed up dossier.
If there was, it was marginal. Besides, they were going to war in Afghanistan with or without a sexed-up dossier. Iraq was just a bonus. Not sure why they felt the need to justify it tbh. Just made them look bigger c*nts than they already were.
The Sun will when and only when, they know they are backing a winner.
Desmond reported to be meeting Farage next week with speculation the Express titles may back ukip. Fwiw.
rob_dylan 23 Nov 14 16:28
There was some level of justification for that war. And there wasnt a sexed up dossier.
The 'sexing up' of the first Gulf War is less well known but it did happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29
That is off the top of my head along with faked photos of Iraqi tank divisions near the border and allegations of what was in effect bribery to have UN resolutions passed. Don't have time to google sources on those but I'm sure there will be stuff online.
There was some level of justification for that war. And there wasnt a sexed up dossier.
The 'sexing up' of the first Gulf War is less well known but it did happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29
That is off the top of my head along with faked photos of Iraqi tank divisions near the border and allegations of what was in effect bribery to have UN resolutions passed. Don't have time to google sources on those but I'm sure there will be stuff online.
It could be a shrewd move commercially speaking for the express to support UKIP.
"Freezing Winters and months of storms to be blamed on Immigrants" - Express front page.
"Freezing Winters and months of storms to be blamed on Immigrants" - Express front page.
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