UK gains £20bn from European migrants, UCL economists reveal

a pleasing thread

You better check out who is behind this study and who paid and sponsored it.

ps one person already discredited for earlier Labour party studies etc etc

So how many million more do we need to pay off the national debt?

The figures are simplistic and fail to give an accurate and full view but they have an agenda to push and these figures help that.

If we sent all our benefit claimants over there as a swap we would be leaving in Utopia

if even IF true it doesn't make up for

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html



or the fact that if given a choice the vast majority would have them out regardless

they have missed out the bit about this being a survey on skilled EU migrants, what are we gaining from the unskilled?

Peston on the beeb just pointed out the flaw in the stats - the EU migrants are generally young and working, so obviously they aren't likely to have serious illnesses costing the NHS or claiming long term sickness benefit or pensions.

its an eu sponsored thing led by germans and italians just for starters

UK gains £20bn from European migrants, UCL economists reveal

Did these people bring this money over here from their own countries? Or is it the case this money was already in our economy and the UCL is up to its old tricks

funded by he europea research council
peemsj  funded by te anglo german foundation
norface fuded by fp7/european commission and tasked with spending tens of billions of euros in increasing migration/integration between eu countries
'scientists'  entirely dependent on there  funding - what do u think of that report now
not that you are going to hear this on the new
all very spooky and are they not clever in grabbing the headlines with journos on the box accepting it hook line and sinker

ucl recieved 53 million euros from EU last year

Is that an in depth study or just an assumption at £5.00 each?

The internet is full of idiots

Is this the same bloke that in 2003 estimated EU migration in the range of 10k-13k per year?

do these idiots not realise they should have conducted a survey of the chit-chat pub bores for a more accurate reflection?

There's not enough of us left.

it is now fact as far as sky goes and the propaganda rolls forward - the journos have swallowed it whole without a critic in site - has no one any idea of what UCL is and who funds it !!??

It's an appalling survey that the BBC is happy to report as Gospel.

It says EU migrants pay far more in tax than they take out in benefits and services.

One of the things they ignore is that for a job to go to an EU migrant, a UK citizen is sitting on the dole.

The other assumption which I find hard to believe is that migrants are net contributors of income tax when so many are in minimum wage jobs. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Immigrants who came to live in Britain from outside Europe cost the public purse nearly £120 billion over 17 years, a new report has shown.

I'll also second the point about any research which only takes into account the good times and which doesn't account for their later years when they will be a massive net drain.

Shhhhhh...

In the Guardian article on this they a have a photo of migrants working in a polytunnel tending tomatoes.

They'll be on £7 an hour if they're lucky and having their money doubled by tax credits..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

just think , even the jobless fks on here might have got a bit more money in handouts if not for that

think the plus £20 billion comes from one or two foreign  bankers bonuses tax payments

so does this mean we will be rolling in it when the 5 million Ukrainians land here?

According to the survey, between 1995 and 2011 Britons created a net loss of £591BN?????????????????????????

If that's true it gives us some idea of how ludicrously big the public sector has become and that it's financially completely unsustainable.

Re immigration , the survey is hopelessly flawed. No account is taken for falling wages caused by immigration.

I come across a number of Europeans who are working here locally in the service sector. I would say none of those I meet earn £10 an hour and so CANNOT be net contributors of tax.

scramble to change the goalposts is hilarious

Of course immigration is a huge benefit to an economy - they wouldn't come otherwise. But obviously all the closet racists wanting to blame all ills on foreigners don't want to hear this.

But obviously all the closet racists wanting to blame all ills on foreigners don't want to hear this.

No "closet" racists on here 

"Of course immigration is a huge benefit to an economy - they wouldn't come otherwise. "

Yeah the economy of the sh&t hole they come from

Respect to the Polish.

I find it strange that i have been put into a category where i have contributed to a £591billion loss, i dont remember doing this at all.

Yeah the economy of the sh&t hole they come from

what, like France, Germany, Italy and Spain, you mean?

well the only one of those that isn't down the toilet is Germany , but was always part of the fourth reich master plan

not exactly what most people would describe as "sh&t holes" though

University college london received 53 million in grants from the eu last year,
Even if the migrants brought the plague,galloping hiv,ebola and were all claiming 660 notes a week in housing benefit ,i am quite sure the required figures could be manipulated.

Anyone who uses spain as an example of eu success really needs to be examined for mental illness, a. country which has youth enemployment running at 50% is a beacon for the eu?
Shot yourself in the foot yer arse and yer brain if you can find it.
No wonder they are culling badgers.

Makes you wonder why all the other eu countries are so against the uk restricting immigration, if this report was true they would benefit hugely.

One slight problem with this I see

I am sure immigrants paying taxes do show a profit.
But if they were not here one of our workers would be doing this job and also paying taxes, so where is the gain?

It also puts more cost on the infrastructure supporting more people
and I assume we are paying unemployment benefit to the people whose jobs have been taken by immigrants

so is there actually any net gain here?

I am not a closet racist, I actually like them as people
but I do regret the loss of our own culture, this country is not the same as it was say pre WWII
which is a sad loss

And it is also a question of numbers, there are only so many people this country can support.
We are declining economically.
We need less people, not more.

If we lost a few million people tomorrow, much better job opportunities for the rest of us

The only way I would get a job at my age is if we get the black death back, and I survive
In fact I was disappointed to see we cured the Ebola virus, I was hoping for an epidemic over here
enough dead even I could get a job, if I survived myself....

probably a little selfish here I admit

and you are not required to take this post too seriously

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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/06/Immigration-Is-About-More-than-Economics

blank..makes an excellent point..

wonder how germany cope....


has anyone got figures to havea  proper discussion?

An interesting read this thread.  I always said it was a bargain getting europeans coming in in their early twenties, we avoid paying for their education and get the be nefit of their tax revenue.  It is a fair point however that as they get older they, and their offspring, will cost us more in terms of education and NHS.  And what we have lost, culturally, is not nothing.  Financially the biggest beneficiaries are the baby boomers imo.  They are forever propped up by the government despite having had it so easy for so long.  They will probably die off without ever having to pay off their share of the national debt they have contributed to.

Shot yourself in the foot yer arse and yer brain if you can find it.
No wonder they are culling badgers.

Have I upset you in some way flushgordon - you seem very angry? (By the way, you do realise that I'm not actually a badger, don't you?)

I thought you was a badger piggybacking on a hotspot from farmer giles internet supplier.
None intended just thought spain was as ludicrous an example as you could find.
Ps hope your arse has healed.

Britain's police 'struggling to cope' with immigration, says Met chief

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe warns of the difficulties his officers face with the influx of foreigners into Britain

Britain’s police forces are “struggling to cope” because of the pace of immigration, the country’s most senior officer warned last night.
Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, told an international terrorism conference that his officers face challenges not only because of the speed of growth but because those coming to Britain had different languages and views of authority.

He also used the conference in New York to warn that the internet is becoming a “dark and ungoverned” space in which too little is done to guard against paedophiles, murderers and terrorists, and called on technology firms to do more to provide online protection.

“People arrive with different languages, different perceptions of the police so that in itself can be part of the challenge,” he.
Sir Bernard said that 25 percent of the population growth in the UK had arrived in London in the last 10 years.

“We have all seen growth but not at the pace we have seen more recently, so it’s a simple logistical point that the more people that arrive, the more quickly they arrive, all our bureaucracies struggle to cope and the police are no different,” he said.

Sir Bernard emphasised the importance of the community beat as much as high-level counter terrorism in the effort to combat the radicalisation of some of Britain's youth who become driven to plot attacks or head overseas to join the jihad of ISIS.
"As much as we are talking about very specialised areas of counter-terrorism, we are careful not to forget we have got officers on the street talking to people," he said.

But he warned: "That can be a challenge for new communities."
Sir Bernard's controversial remarks came after an annual conference of law enforcement chiefs held in New York, this year's attended by police chiefs from Washington DC and Los Angeles as well as the FBI and New York police commissioner Bill Bratton.
Mr Bratton said the chiefs had discussed the explosion in the use of social media networks in the last three to four years and their growing role as a tool for terrorists and would-be terrorists.

"It's a whole new area and four years ago it barely existed, " said Mr Bratton.
Sir Bernard said he was concerned that "access is getting reduced" for police forces and other security personnel to be able to reach data that could fuel terrorist attacks or the spread of radicalism.

Internet companies such as Apple and Google are fast increasing the amount of encryption of individuals' data away from the eyes of security forces in the wake of the outcry following the revelations from American whistleblower Edward Snowden that the US security services were leading a programme to allow government monitoring of ordinary citizens' phone records without judicial permission or the public's knowledge.
"We need to work make sure that the internet doesn't go dark," said Sir Bernard on Thursday.

"As the security services we need to maintain access to digital data and that's a joint concern (with the US), that access is getting reduced . It's not to intrude into privacy but to maintain the safety of the public," he said.
Along with the growth in the use of social networks as a medium for terrorism, Sir Bernard continued his controversial theme that the increase in immigration and the arrival of economic migrants can present difficulties to the Metropolitan Police and other agencies in the UK and beyond.

"Our societies are changing apace. Here in New York society is changing - with immigration many people are coming to live here and you will find the same in London," he said.
"That brings us great benefits, these two great cities are great places to invest, have great economies, great business. But they also bring other challenges and I think the fact that we are able to share experiences and obviously get better plans for the future is a great opportunity," he continued.
"What happens in New York and London is we are seeing growth and with growth there is migration as an element of that but what it means is for the police to have community-based policing, it sometimes can be more difficult to integrate with new populations," he said.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11215149/Bobbies-on-the-beat-will-help-tackle-terrorism-says-Met-chief.html

The estimated cost a year ago of keeping a prisoner locked up for a year was £18,000.  There are 12,250 foreign nationals in UK prisons.

That's a nice few quid gone the wrong way on immigration.

Add the cost of Border Agency staff, who spend time finding the illegals and trying to deport them. The majority of them appeal, so fat cat lawyers can get richer, and the cost last year ran to £17,000 each. Who is paying for the these appeals?

Add the JSA, income support, housing benefit and all other benefits claimed across the whole of the UK by immigrants who are not working.

Add the tax credits and housing benefit paid to those immigrants in minimum wage jobs.

Add the Family Allowances of kids being claimed for who are not even in the UK.

There's  probably more...

Exactly how much tax are the working immigrant population paying to negate all these payments and be in profit?

Not being funny mate but you are an idiot cmat.

Nice mathematical answer.

The estimated cost a year ago of keeping a prisoner locked up for a year was £18,000.  There are 12,250 foreign nationals in UK prisons.

That's a nice few quid gone the wrong way on immigration

I thought your 18000 figure was low.  You didnt even multiply the two yourself., that would have been some simple maths for you.  The rest of your post (and much more) has all been accounted for in the figures from the original post link.  Illegibly.  Are you ever right about anything?

This does not account for what they take out in respect of housing (have a look at who get all the council houses)NHS,schools,welfare,7/7 must have cost us billions,the lottery funds mosques,their Uuman rights,translators etc.

0f course wealthy business and businessmen are contributors,but the left wing resent beneficial immigration,the report is like calculating ONLY your winning bets on here

so how do the germans cope?

Add the tax credits and housing benefit paid to those immigrants in minimum wage jobs.
lower rents and house prices and housing bnefits and tax credits will be lower.....

There was a discussion on Five Live about this latest bill we've been handed by the EU.

The spokesperson from the EU emphasised the point that the UK contributes £6.5BN a year yet receives £70BN in return.

I choked on my Granola.. So we make 10x our investment???!!!!!!! Most big businesses operate to a profit margin of a few percent a year, often less than 4%.

This guy was suggesting the UK makes 1000% profit each and every year from being a member of the EU.

4.5 million foreigners working here - just do the maths - hundreds of thousands of indigenous black asian and white youngsters not in work

yeah sure - immigration works for the employer to get gangs in on low wages and individuals on pay lower that the legal minimum or did you not know how they manage to do that.

The report's author, Christian Dustmann, also wrote the ill-judged 2003 Home Office report that played down the numbers of EU migrants that would arrive in the country. The study predicted net immigration following the 2004 EU doors opening "will be relatively small, at between 5,000 and 13,000 immigrants per year up to 2010.

UKIP as well as the Tories like to tell us that net migration from these countries was over 80,000 a year.

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That's a pretty clever report when the govt. themselves admit they don't know how many immigrants are in the UK,

European immigration figures show....?

Don't we count african and asian figures then?

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I back horses and I'm  a hugely successful punter. All my winning bets showed a profit.

Pardon?...

Losing bets?...

Oh, I don't count those, they're bad for the figures

Let's be honest, no one knows. Some say it is near a million illegals need to be added to all this!!

Pensioners are Encouraged and in a Lot of cases they have to Keep Working,
No Wonder there is no more Work for Young Un`s, not even on a Saturday by Today`s News,
1 Million UK Expats abroad in the past 5-10 years, WE Don't have to put up with this Sh!t,
Sheeple, believe what you hear and read-Suckers.