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04 Nov 14
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doing here in the first place. get shot of all them and keep em out.
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The local population had voiced their concerns. Events have proved their fears were justified.
Not surprising, bringing untrained ' army personnel ' from a war zone arena. Their cultural re habitation was a ' tinder box ' To them life must feel very cheap.
Not surprising, bringing untrained ' army personnel ' from a war zone arena. Their cultural re habitation was a ' tinder box ' To them life must feel very cheap.
Who could have predicted that bringing in muslims from libya and letting them out into our towns would have led to rape, assaults, and theft.
lot more still to come out about this, i hope not all the culprits have flow the nest never to be seen, news said at least another 9
on top of the first 5, women raped, men raped, ffs, what is the world coming to.
on top of the first 5, women raped, men raped, ffs, what is the world coming to.
They could not have been in Wisbech. Nobody would have noticed them.
Would the local population be hiding behind locked doors ?
why are we training the army of a country as trustworthy as a snake?
Libyan soldiers on trial now......
Two Libyan soldiers being trained in Britain raped a man in a Cambridge park after they homed in on their victim “like hunting dogs”, a jury has been told.
Moktair Ali Saad Mahmoud, 33, and Ibrahim Abugtila, 23, raped a heavily drunk wedding guest in the early hours of 26 October last year after they came across him in the centre of the university town, it was alleged at Cambridge crown court on Wednesday.
The Libyans had been training at Bassingbourn barracks about 10 miles away, as part of a British government programme intended to help bring security to Libya after the 2011 civil war in which rebels, backed by British air and naval power, toppled the dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
“The allegation is that in the early hours of 26 October last year they each raped a man who was a complete stranger to them,” said John Farmer for the prosecution. “While Mr Abugtila was raping him, Mr Mahmoud was assisting by pulling him down.”
Both men are charged with rape and aiding and abetting the other. They deny the charges.
Farmer said forensic evidence showed both men had sex with the man and the issue the jury must decide was whether he had consented. He said the alleged victim “hasn’t got a lot of memory of the detail”.
The jury of seven women and five men heard a recording of the alleged victim’s 999 call just minutes after the suspected attack in which he told the operator he had been anally raped.
The Libyans had left the barracks and visited Cambridge on the Saturday night when they came across the “very unsteady” alleged victim in the small hours of Sunday morning, Farmer told the jury.
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“On this particular night each of the defendants may or may not have had alcohol to drink,” Farmer said. “That is something that may or may not emerge. One thing is certain is that [the complainant] had consumed a formidable amount of alcohol. He had been at a wedding on the 25th and came in to complete his night in Cambridge and he had drunk pretty steadily.”
Farmer continued: “He was so drunk that even if it was suggested he was consenting he was in no fit state to consent. The primary case of the prosecution is he didn’t consent.”
The jury was shown CCTV footage from after midnight as the two Libyans and the complainant went separately about the town. One clip showed Abugtila blocking two women in the street apparently trying to talk with them. Another showed him being helped to his feet apparently by a stranger. Other clips showed their alleged victim going into clubs, in one case with friends.
CCTV collated by police showed Mahmoud and Abugtila first saw the heavily drunk man at 3.26am, outside Sidney Sussex college.
Farmer said: “They behaved like two hunting dogs who had seen a wounded animal. They effectively took him over and, initially not using too much force and later more forcefully, kept him going in the direction they wanted him to go.”
At 4.03am CCTV showed the three men in King Street. The complainant stopped walking, and Abugtila could be seen putting his arm around his neck while Mahmoud was further ahead. A minute later, close to Christ’s Pieces, a park behind Christ’s College, they went off camera and the Libyans returned on camera 38 minutes later without the alleged victim, who was seen a couple of minutes later in a shop doorway in King Street on the phone to the police.
He told the 999 operator: “I am really scared. Can you come and meet me please ... I’ve had erm, quite a few people ... [inaudible] try and f*****g rape me.”
Pressed on what happened, he said: “I’m not gonna lie, I’ve been f*****g bum raped ... I tried to run off and they weren’t having any of it.”
Asked again what happened he said: “I got f*****g raped tonight.” He told the operator he didn’t know his attackers but that there were three of them who he described as “Indian people”.
Farmer told the jury they might consider the call “very significant in the context of it being claimed he had consented cheerfully, voluntarily to having intercourse in his anus with two strangers”.
The Libyans returned to Bassingbourn barracks at about 7.30am but did not have money to pay for their taxi, the court heard. Following the alleged victim’s complaint, investigations began at the barracks, including some forensic tests which proved both men had left DNA evidence that they had both had anal intercourse with the alleged victim.
Farmer said when this evidence was revealed to Abugtila, he told police: “I did have anal sex with the male. It was consensual. He was talking fine when we had sex. He stole my money. This is why he made this up. He initiated it.”
Throughout the opening, the two defendants, wearing dark suits with open-neck blue and pink shirts, listened attentively as the proceedings were translated into Arabic for them. The trial continues.
Two Libyan soldiers being trained in Britain raped a man in a Cambridge park after they homed in on their victim “like hunting dogs”, a jury has been told.
Moktair Ali Saad Mahmoud, 33, and Ibrahim Abugtila, 23, raped a heavily drunk wedding guest in the early hours of 26 October last year after they came across him in the centre of the university town, it was alleged at Cambridge crown court on Wednesday.
The Libyans had been training at Bassingbourn barracks about 10 miles away, as part of a British government programme intended to help bring security to Libya after the 2011 civil war in which rebels, backed by British air and naval power, toppled the dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
“The allegation is that in the early hours of 26 October last year they each raped a man who was a complete stranger to them,” said John Farmer for the prosecution. “While Mr Abugtila was raping him, Mr Mahmoud was assisting by pulling him down.”
Both men are charged with rape and aiding and abetting the other. They deny the charges.
Farmer said forensic evidence showed both men had sex with the man and the issue the jury must decide was whether he had consented. He said the alleged victim “hasn’t got a lot of memory of the detail”.
The jury of seven women and five men heard a recording of the alleged victim’s 999 call just minutes after the suspected attack in which he told the operator he had been anally raped.
The Libyans had left the barracks and visited Cambridge on the Saturday night when they came across the “very unsteady” alleged victim in the small hours of Sunday morning, Farmer told the jury.
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“On this particular night each of the defendants may or may not have had alcohol to drink,” Farmer said. “That is something that may or may not emerge. One thing is certain is that [the complainant] had consumed a formidable amount of alcohol. He had been at a wedding on the 25th and came in to complete his night in Cambridge and he had drunk pretty steadily.”
Farmer continued: “He was so drunk that even if it was suggested he was consenting he was in no fit state to consent. The primary case of the prosecution is he didn’t consent.”
The jury was shown CCTV footage from after midnight as the two Libyans and the complainant went separately about the town. One clip showed Abugtila blocking two women in the street apparently trying to talk with them. Another showed him being helped to his feet apparently by a stranger. Other clips showed their alleged victim going into clubs, in one case with friends.
CCTV collated by police showed Mahmoud and Abugtila first saw the heavily drunk man at 3.26am, outside Sidney Sussex college.
Farmer said: “They behaved like two hunting dogs who had seen a wounded animal. They effectively took him over and, initially not using too much force and later more forcefully, kept him going in the direction they wanted him to go.”
At 4.03am CCTV showed the three men in King Street. The complainant stopped walking, and Abugtila could be seen putting his arm around his neck while Mahmoud was further ahead. A minute later, close to Christ’s Pieces, a park behind Christ’s College, they went off camera and the Libyans returned on camera 38 minutes later without the alleged victim, who was seen a couple of minutes later in a shop doorway in King Street on the phone to the police.
He told the 999 operator: “I am really scared. Can you come and meet me please ... I’ve had erm, quite a few people ... [inaudible] try and f*****g rape me.”
Pressed on what happened, he said: “I’m not gonna lie, I’ve been f*****g bum raped ... I tried to run off and they weren’t having any of it.”
Asked again what happened he said: “I got f*****g raped tonight.” He told the operator he didn’t know his attackers but that there were three of them who he described as “Indian people”.
Farmer told the jury they might consider the call “very significant in the context of it being claimed he had consented cheerfully, voluntarily to having intercourse in his anus with two strangers”.
The Libyans returned to Bassingbourn barracks at about 7.30am but did not have money to pay for their taxi, the court heard. Following the alleged victim’s complaint, investigations began at the barracks, including some forensic tests which proved both men had left DNA evidence that they had both had anal intercourse with the alleged victim.
Farmer said when this evidence was revealed to Abugtila, he told police: “I did have anal sex with the male. It was consensual. He was talking fine when we had sex. He stole my money. This is why he made this up. He initiated it.”
Throughout the opening, the two defendants, wearing dark suits with open-neck blue and pink shirts, listened attentively as the proceedings were translated into Arabic for them. The trial continues.
Are there any plans to rid Rochdale, Rotherham, Bristol, Oxford, Birmingham, Newcastle, Insert Your Hometown Here of imported sexual criminals too, or are they spared such action as they make up the core Labour vote?
Had to stop reading your post Toby made me feel sick.If it was not for our Goverments incompentance this guy would probably staggered home and slept of his hangover without being Shagged by 2 Muslim rapists.
These were disciplined trained people what are the rest of the feckers going to be like?
May 9, 2015 -- 2:11PM, fool proof wrote:
Had to stop reading your post Toby made me feel sick.If it was not for our Goverments incompentance this guy would probably staggered home and slept of his hangover without being Shagged by 2 Muslim rapists.
being muslim has nothing to do with this, that's a pretty ignorant comment
May 9, 2015 -- 1:18PM, alun2005 wrote:
Are there any plans to rid Rochdale, Rotherham, Bristol, Oxford, Birmingham, Newcastle, Insert Your Hometown Here of imported sexual criminals too, or are they spared such action as they make up the core Labour vote?
why would the government target out international sexual criminals instead of targeting all sexual foreign criminals ffs
Well, I suppose that if you got rid of all of them except 'white-British' ones, you would have got rid of most of your problem.
It would then be much easier to root out the remainder...without fear of being charged with Islamophobia!
It would then be much easier to root out the remainder...without fear of being charged with Islamophobia!
not entirely sure what you are saying here naydam. your saying if we "got rid of all of them" (all of who? muslims? rapists?) except white british (rapists? muslims?) the problem would be largely gone. what problem are you referring too? the problem of rapists form different countries? but if that's what you mean you seem to be implying that "white british" rapists are ok? or are you implying that foreign residents are responsible for the vast majority of rape in this country?? im seriously confused by some of the statements in this thread not just yours. not trying to hate i'm just curious as to what you mean.
RAZZ, whats the problem with connecting muslims to libya ??, i think its a fact that 95% of libyans are muslim.
let the courts decide on the punishment, then deport them.
let the courts decide on the punishment, then deport them.
there is a very small minority of non muslims in libya, mainly foreign workers, the rest were ethnically cleansed due to the culture.
connecting muslims to libya wasnt the issue. connecting muslims to this crime was.
The problem occurs when we attempt to apply our western laws to Muslims.
They should be tried by Sharia law. The penalty for sodomy is death. The penalty for rape is probably death. The penalty for adultery is death.
They should be sent home disgraced and dead!
They should be tried by Sharia law. The penalty for sodomy is death. The penalty for rape is probably death. The penalty for adultery is death.
They should be sent home disgraced and dead!
connecting muslims to libya wasnt the issue. connecting muslims to this crime was.
RAZZ, i am not the greatest at figures, but even i know that if 5 libyans were arrested the stats say at least 4 will be muslims, thats
why they were associated to this horrendous crime.
RAZZ, i am not the greatest at figures, but even i know that if 5 libyans were arrested the stats say at least 4 will be muslims, thats
why they were associated to this horrendous crime.
@glasgowcalling. they are not being linked to this crime just because of the % of Libyans who are Muslim. They are being linked to it because ignorant people who are borderline racist, think that all Muslims are the same. The separation of normal peaceful Muslims of which constitutes the vast majority of the Islamic religion, is a very important issue we face today as a society. As it detracts from the actual problem of ridding the world of a tiny % of psycopaths/extremists/terrorists, and contributes to racial discrimination which slows down the advancement of society and the human race. especially when it's used in conjunction with crimes that fundamentally have nothing to do with the religion of the people like in this case. thankfully more and more people are realizing the illogical, nonsensical and imo most importantly the narrow mindedness of racism, and the way links like this one essentially equate to(sometimes inadvertently) propaganda for idiots.
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