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Pokermonster
02 Nov 14 19:30
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What do think is the highest possible 3 dart average a player could achieve in a best of 19 leg match?  To three decimal places I believe it is 172.532. 

Does anyone agree?

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By:
David Fishwick Minibus Sales
When: 02 Nov 14 19:37
i got 171.875 but may not have thought it through properly
By:
David Fishwick Minibus Sales
When: 02 Nov 14 19:38
#HOLD#
By:
David Fishwick Minibus Sales
When: 02 Nov 14 19:40
i agree with the original post, player loses match though
By:
Pokermonster
When: 02 Nov 14 19:42
Indeed, Dave, to achieve the best possible average a player must lose the match.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 02 Nov 14 19:43
167
By:
akabula
When: 02 Nov 14 20:54
Record held by Kim Jong-un
By:
Clungehungry
When: 02 Nov 14 22:28
By putting forward spin or 'carry' on the darts, I can usually do 190 or so.
By:
FatherMaguire
When: 02 Nov 14 23:27
I've got 172.481 - but I've been in the pub all night - will revisit this tomorrow - great question though...
By:
kenny mann
When: 02 Nov 14 23:43
It is, and a very difficult one to work out.
By:
naydam
When: 03 Nov 14 00:34
Is is not dependent upon which game one is playing and upon which 'board' one is using?
By:
kenny mann
When: 03 Nov 14 01:47
I think it's a straightforward arithmetical question.
By:
kenny mann
When: 03 Nov 14 01:48
Which I can't get my head round, good as I am at simple arithmetic.
By:
Gnarley
When: 03 Nov 14 03:35
Brilliant question and the correct answer is given in the opening post.

You have to lose the match anywhere between 10-1 to 10-9.
In the leg(s) you win you have to hit a 9 darter producing a 167 avererage for 3 darts.
In the legs that you lose, your opponent has to hit 9 darters (when going first), and you would have to hit two 180's each time.

Simple maths gives 172.532

Simple question Pokermonster, do you work for GCHQ, and if so, are you recruitingHappy
By:
FatherMaguire
When: 03 Nov 14 08:41
Interesting one this, its a different premise than when calculating the highest average a player can get when playing a standard set of darts (best of 5 legs) which can give a 3 dart average of 174.14
By:
Stow_judge
When: 03 Nov 14 10:23
Is this 180s and 9 darters the whole way through for both players, with you throwing 2nd in the 1st leg?
By:
jed.davison
When: 03 Nov 14 11:14
That's what it is SJ. Unlikely, but not impossible, especially given how easy the game is proving now enough people can make a living by playing it.

I am pleased though that those people who stupidly maintained that a nine-dart finish is harder than a 147 are being shown up for the fools they are.
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 03 Nov 14 11:55
Stupid fools?

According to wiki, Currently over 105 professional nine-darters have achieved nine-dart finishes, both televised and untelevised whatever that means! Meanwhile, 107 official maximum breaks have been achieved in professional competition.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 03 Nov 14 11:59
Just because something happens more often doesn't definitively make it easier to achieve.  It's very subjective.  Far more man hours are spent playing darts than they are playing snooker for a start.
By:
Stow_judge
When: 03 Nov 14 12:14
I'd assume that the untelevised 180s ones are in proper competitions that are not televised.

Also that reads 105 people for darts (With tens or hundreds of 180s each for the pros) vs 107 147s in snooker.
By:
Stow_judge
When: 03 Nov 14 12:16
Would it be fair to say the majority of dart players will hit a 180 at some time in their life, whereas the percentage of snooker players with a 147 break would be expected to be very low indeed?
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 03 Nov 14 12:25
Certainly a nine dart finish is easier to visualise and I imagine that messes up our thinking.
By:
call me a taxi
When: 03 Nov 14 12:35
I played darts for years and hit plenty of 180s, but my lowest finish was 11 darts.
By:
jed.davison
When: 03 Nov 14 12:36
The most important consideration when comparing the two achievements is how far the technical limits of both games have been stretched.

In snooker, it has been possible for several decades to earn a living at the game, and a decent living if one is among the top players. In darts, it has only been relatively recently that serious money has been available and a decent tournament calendar organised to encourage the amateur to concentrate full-time on achieving his dreams.

As such, the general standard of darts is improving at an exponential rate, making nine-dart finishes much more common nowadays and much more likely in the future. I expect this argument to take on Flat Earth proportions within the next decade i.e it will become obvious which achievement is the more meritorious and it will be thought quaint that people once believed in the greater difficulty of the nine-dart finish.
By:
Crisp77
When: 03 Nov 14 12:43
I've run out of chalk
By:
call me a taxi
When: 03 Nov 14 12:48
I could spend the rest of my life playing snooker but would never get a 147 break. The game doesn't suit me, which is why I took up darts.
By:
jed.davison
When: 03 Nov 14 12:55
Horse for courses CMAT.

I play both, snooker to professional standard, and the level of practise required to achieve a comparable standard is infinitely greater in snooker for the average person imo.

It stands to reason (I'm sure you'll agree :))that throwing pointed things at a target is hardwired into the human brain, whereas snooker is a totally acquired skill.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 03 Nov 14 12:59
Technicality is just a subjective component, which you could argue both ways.  Just because the technique is apparently more difficult to master doesn't make a 147 easier than running the 100m in less than ten seconds.  For instance everyone learns to run from a young age.  Everyone masters the basic technique through regular practice and out of the billions of people who run only a handful can run under 10 seconds.  Most people barely or never play snooker.  They never master the technique because they don't play it enough.  If they did there would be no comparison and this would be a flat earth argument.
By:
kenny mann
When: 03 Nov 14 12:59
I played Joe Johnson in about 1968 in a WMC match. As I was the weakest player in the side, but capable of a 30 break or thereabouts, they put me in against the "young kid".
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 03 Nov 14 13:06
The basic technique in darts is throwing which is similar to running.  Everyone throws from a young age so most of the technique is already programmed into us.  Snooker would be like archery, a totally foreign technique that you learn from the very beginning.  The same argument that applies with running applies to darts.
By:
jed.davison
When: 03 Nov 14 13:08
I'm guessing that story doesn't end well Kenny :)

I played Ali Carter once when he was about nine, in a grotty little Con Club in Kelvedon, Essex. I only used to go to such events for the craic and because there was often some card action to be had, and I went there playing out of my skin. I made an eleven-red, ten-black 81 on their table to warm up, and then I got drawn against this tiny boy. I thought he was the sacrificial lamb that you were in the above example, until I broke, left him one red that he could even see, and he made a 60, every other shot with the rest. He beat me on the pink in the end, but it did teach me a valuable lesson and it gave my team-mates a proper giggle to see my bubble burst in such a manner. Doesn't seem so bad in hindsight though given he's made two WC finals and only got done by the absolute king of the game.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 03 Nov 14 13:10
If you took a young child at a very young age, with money and resources at your disposal that were no object, I suspect it would be much easier to train them up to be a champion golfer, or a champion snooker player than a champion darts player.
By:
call me a taxi
When: 03 Nov 14 13:22
CLYDEBANK29
03 Nov 14 13:10   
If you took a young child at a very young age..


I wanted my grandsons, aged 3 and 6 months, to take up boxing as early as possible. Given the family genes, they will both be at least light heavyweights, and riches and fame await Cool

Daughters won't hear of it. Sad
By:
David Fishwick Minibus Sales
When: 03 Nov 14 13:30
nature=brain damage, nurture=brain damage.
By:
kenny mann
When: 03 Nov 14 13:42
Indeed not, Jed. I think I got about 9. Lost count of Joe's score. Total annihilation. :-(
By:
kenny mann
When: 03 Nov 14 13:43
Wow, Ali was that good at 9!
By:
call me a taxi
When: 03 Nov 14 13:48
A different Ali, Muhammad not Carter, got whupped.


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http://i58.tinypic.com/33nfgv7.jpg
By:
jed.davison
When: 03 Nov 14 13:49
Yeah Kenny, and a lovely kid as well. Very gracious in victory. I've obviously followed his career closely, and I still think he has the game to be World Champion, but the poor bloke's had just about every bit of bad-luck going health-wise. I just hope he can have a few untroubled years and achieve what he is capable of.
By:
kenny mann
When: 03 Nov 14 14:13
Yes Chrohn's and cancer, poor kid. Lets hope he makes it back to full health.
By:
Stow_judge
When: 03 Nov 14 15:04
I played in the local pub B team at the age of 15. I was not very good, but one of the better players in that team. It was good to get around a lot of local pubs at that age.

My dad's place in the Friday night darts team at the George (Cheshunt) was taken by Bobby George. In truth my dad was making up the numbers for a good local team.
One of my dad's good fishing mates was Dennis Ovens who got into darts late but made/makes a no. of tv appearances.

My brother played Leighton Rees in an exhibition at the Hotpoles in Enfield ca. 30 years ago. He put up a decent showing but lost. My brother & my mum went to see Jocky Wilson play an exhibition at Ryes in Hoddesdon. It chucked it down and very few made it down there. My brother played lots of games against him & ended up chalking for much of the night. Jocky Wilson came down in a big camper van. (Gyppo!)
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