Dave Lee Travis Found Guilty Of Indecent Assault

**** = arse
hole

What has come across time and again is the lack of self respect these women seem to have.

If ONLY a few of them poked Savile et al in the eye or chucked a piping hot beverage in their ugly faces or better still got their brother or dad to 'have a word'.

Where the **** was their sense of self worth??

This what if it was your daughter stuff is irrational and immoral. What if it was your dad whose life had been destroyed because of a few apparent moments of madness decades ago which the victim didn't bother reporting at the time? Who people would merrily assert had committed other crimes of which he had actually been found innocent.

If you want to mutilate someone's genitals, you need to seek psychiatric help, rather than pretending it has anything to do with wanting to protect women.

All people want is for him to get a sentence that reflects the severity of his crimes.

There was more than one complainant about Travis. You don't think it should have been pursued merely because it took place a couple of decades ago?

And I agree with Dotchinite. I'm more of the punch-in-the-face than cut-off-his-balls camp. I'm not a hypocrite though.

I like how it's 'pretending' to want to protect women, though. Nice psychoanalysis. I won't be getting the psychiatric help I evidently need from you. Thanks for the offer though.

I think we must remember he was found not guilty of 12 other assaults.

Incredible Steamship.

Fella's a scapegoat for police failings elsewhere.

Maybe they can retry him on those 12 and the new cases that will come forward now he has been convicted of one.

Injera I think we are agreeing

You might well find that he has got away very lightly. Most of the cases were unable to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

I think that a few on here don't understand 'unwelcome' advances or that impressionable youngsters can be easily coerced into activities that they are not developed enough to understand.

Personally, I think that many of these perpetrators will be regretting the fact that these people will not remain children forever. Also, with the advances in 'social networking' (which didn't exist) these victims are now realising that they are not the only one. There will be more to come yet.

Same goes for the 'kebab shop' fellas...hopefully all their offences will now be dealt with. We will need some new prisons...or just remove the offending appendages!!

If the person was a child at the time I might agree with you Naydam

as she was not I am afraid I don't

happened on BBC premises,handsome compensation awaits

Ebul. Sorry about that. I did digress into a more general  overview of historic sexual offence cases. In this particular case I meant it to be considered under the 'unwelcome advances' category. Whereas in many of the other recent cases, the 'impressionable youngster' would be more suitable.
However, in both situations, the perpetrators seem to have failed to take into account that their victims might feel more emboldened in later life. Surely, you must also agree that revenge is a dish that is best served cold!

reported that the victim is now a celebrity in her own right so I doubt compensation is her motive, it's pretty easy to work out who it is if you google the credits for Mrs. Merton.

Her guest list includes Harris, Fred Talbot and Jimmy Tarbuck amongst others in addition to DLT.

Alright, I was a bit bored...

the victim is now a celebrity in her own right

oh dear...how I do not believe her allegation

revenge...that sounds a good word, what it is all about..a load of vindictive and greedy women

I am DLT's side, although I never groped myself

Guessing from the above that it's Lucy Porter, who I've heard of but don't really know who she is.

“One moment I was smoking a cigarette and the next thing he was sexually assaulting me.”
Perhaps fearing for her future career, or perhaps too shocked and embarrassed about what had happened the young woman decided not take the matter any further with the police or senior BBC executives.
She decided to put the matter behind her and as the years went by she realised her dream and began to forge her own successful career in the entertainment industry.
It was then that her anger over the incident began to build and it started to bother her that she had not pursued the matter at the time.
She said: “For years I didn't talk about it to anyone, if his name came up I would say 'oh he's a wrong 'un. But when I got to my 30s I began to think that was really out of order.
“It wasn’t par for the course. I got cross that he had done it. What an awful thing to do to someone when they are trying to get on with their job.”
Eventually in 2012 following the exposure of the Jimmy Savile scandal, she decided to open up to a male friend, who also worked in showbusiness.
Despite having confided in friends about what had happened, it was not until Travis appeared in court charged with a string of other similar allegations that she plucked up the courage to go to the police.
In February this year, Travis was cleared of 12 counts of indecent assault, with the jury failing to reach verdicts on two other charges.
When the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), amid some controversy, announced it was seeking a retrial, it was decided to charge Travis in relation to the 1995 attack.

Yep, definitely sounds like she was just being greedy and vindictive.

yes it does

Perhaps fearing for her future career, or perhaps too shocked and embarrassed about what had happened the young woman decided not take the matter any further with the police or senior BBC executives.

then why bother 18 years later?????
If not our of vindictiveness or greed??????????????????

She could hardly have been bothered if she did not report it at the time could she?

The above statement is a fairy story, in my opinion

How do you suppose she would gain financially from it? You think she'll get free cornflakes for life or something?

Presumably she bothered 18 years later so that a serial sex pest might just get the justice he deserves.

And she did report it at the time. I probably should have added it to my 23:10 poost, though you'd still probably dismiss it as fantqasy on her part.

Despite being in shock over what had just happened, the young woman, who had just graduated from university realised she had to tell someone about what had just happened and went straight to her boss, Peter Kessler, a BBC producer and blurted out: “'Oh my God, Dave Lee Travis just grabbed my ****.”

Can't blame her for not going to the police at the time as, judging by the majority of responses on this thread, there was  something wrong with a man if he wasn't grabbing birds by the tits in those halcyon days when it was our right.

Needham's Bowling Alley, High Wycombe, circa 1973, 13 year olds. Not alone but with an "Imperial" gentleman .

Of course I do not mean Emperor Rosko,how dare you!

In this life I think you will find most women have probably been touched inappropriately
at one time or another...that is life...although most men do not do it

“'Oh my God, Dave Lee Travis just grabbed my ****.”
fair enough, she could have gone to the police, also where has all that extra time come in????

To report this 18 years late, is ridiculous...

Well I see I am not going to convince you Mikael, fair enough
How do you know DLT ain't got any money?

In this life I think you will find most women have probably been touched inappropriately
at one time or another...that is life...

Jesus wept. At one time or another blacks were slaves, I suppose this is alright. Sorry but no males in my family have ever treated women with anything other than respect. Groping women has never been justifiable as 'part and parcel of life.'

When Nazi war criminals were captured 20 years later do  you think it is ok to excuse them of their crimes as 'it was a different era' or 'a lot of water has passed under the bridge.' Clearly the seriousness of the crime is very different but the principal is the same.

It can take people a long time to confront things they are ashamed of and want hidden. And only when they feel their voice will be heard can they step forward. To use the passage of time as an excuse for inappropriate behaviour has never served justice well. You cannot judge victims actions, only the offenders when the truth is out. And DLT knew what he was doing and no doubt knew it was wrong; but he was clearly a sexual predator who thought only of his own gratification and abused his power as a leading light in the Beeb to shield him from retribution.

When Nazi war criminals were captured 20 years later do

FFS...that is a ridiculous comparison,

It can take people a long time to confront things they are ashamed of and want hidden

She went and told her boss straight away????????????????????????????????????????????

anyway another one I am not going to convince

still you did promote me from being a Paedo or Paedo Apologist

to a lecherous old perv,

Although I did partly agree with you on reflection, the underage age claims had to be followed up

I still don't believe most of these women sorry

Seems strong feelings about this one. Judging by the verdict Travis was a bit of a dirty fuccker using his status to cop a free feel. I don't think you can put him in the same league as someone like Savile or indeed Hall. Nobody is saying that it was right at that time but there were many men classed as having wandering hands and different women had different mechanisms for coping with it with some burying their feelings because of the power differential which people like Travis played to the hilt. Not forgetting also that the culture in humour was one of smutty sexual innuendo designed to lesson the issue. Emery, Dawson, Benny Hill all had aspects of their acts playing up to this stereotype of the lecherous individual who couldn't keep his hands to himself.

I don't feel sorry for him but neither do I think he should be made an example of. So much time has past. His current shame and financial ruination are punishment eough in my view.

A pervert on trial must dream of a chit chat jury

unless he's black or a muslim

And how could these victims of sexual assault react that would make you believe them? You see, this attitude of "I don't believe them" is precisely WHY they aren't reported. The women, girls or children that are assaulted are told that 'nobody will believe you' or threats are made against their family or their future employment. There are always ways that the perpetrator can assert his position of control over the lesser or younger victim. This is made more difficult by a tendency of victims not wishing to disclose these assaults for a variety of personal reasons. It wouldn't take too much imagine to realise this.
But this, of course, can change markedly as the perpetrators relatively powerful position diminishes and the victim matures.
As for being 'vindictive'...you bet they are are phuck1ng vindictive! And rightly so. He should have thought of that years ago.
Once again I am not referring to this case in isolation...more as a general overview of sexual assault cases.

*imagination*

I'd say that the broadly sympathetic view for DLT on this thread isn't about it not being serious, but about the draconian sentances that have been handed down to people like Stuart Hall and Rold Harris recently.  If I thought DLT was going to get a proportionate sentance like 150 hours of community service, I wouldn't give a toss, but Yew Tree is an absolute witch hunt.

Draconian sentences? I'm all for punching DLT in the face but Hall, especially, deserves his knackers cut off, although I concede that I require psychiatric help.

Tell me about your mother

LOL!

I agree stevie

You think it is right to be vindictive for life when a someone attempts to grope a 23 year women
Naydam

still no chance of us agreeing on this one...I accept that is your view

Once again I must state that my observations are with regard to these historic assault cases in general, not just this case specifically.
However, he wouldn't have been in this situation if he had stopped to consider that some women MIGHT be vindictive. It takes all sorts. Quite apart from that...she only told the police about him. Do you call that vindictive?

DLT is just a dirty old git, but what he done for a sexual thrill was not in the same league as Savile.  In terms of sentence he could go to jail, but he is also facing a possible civil action accused of sexually abusing a girl who was primary school age, she seems determined to take her case to the civil courts.  Still in deep sh1t !

You don't know how times have changed Naydam
in past days an attempted grope was probably not that big a deal

He is very unlucky in that he has been acquitted on all charges that he was originally charged and retried on. This girl only came forward after the first trial so if there was no original trial this would never have come to light. He does not deserve to go to jail as he has been ruined financially with the costs of the trial, that is enough punishment along with the stress of 2 trials.

The CPS are bringing the justice system into disrepute by bringing these type of cases

His crime was he did not know how society would change in the future
For under age girls, no change there, never accepted, so yes they can be pursued

totally agree mr combustible

I wonder if he was acquitted of all charges in the first trial whether the CPS would have bought this single case to court, in my opinion I doubt it.

If charged & convicted with this offence 17 years ago would he have gone to prison ?

yep.thats it in a nutshell mr c

17 years ago the police would of told her to fek off and stop wasting there time

Her story..she was groped for 10 - 12 secs, why did she not move away, unless she was enjoying it

She tells her boss immediately DLT groped my tit
then amazingly she suppresses this out of guilt and shame.....hardly seems likely from a 23 year old woman

Her motive:
DLT grabbed her tit, she did not like it, women are like elephants, so she decides to get him back
She probably did not realise DLT was broke when she went to the police

My assumption: her motive was vindictiveness and greed

some people think he got what he deserved
I cant answer that

DLT has to be punished by the law at the time...otherwise it is not justice

Then he wont get a custodial sentence.

agree pumphol...we shall see?

Previous sentences in other trials have been based on tariffs given out when the offence took place, ridiculous statements from some of the media saying he could get 10 years

For one grope.........jesus!

Gropers beware! Ask not for whom the bell tolls lest it tolls for thee.

My conscience is clear. Plenty gropes, but NEVER without consent. Thereby lies the difference.

What about all the women who've groped me? Should I report them. I didn't enjoy it. Most of the time it was completely unexpected. I've had a bruise on my bum one woman sqeezed so hard. Plus 3 instances of my genitals being fondled completely out of the blue. Should I have reported them? Just told most of them to feck off.

was it the Indian chick ?

No, well before her time.lol I'm talking 70's to mid 90's.

Darby and Joan club worse than Rooney

ffs i was in my 20's in the 70s

soz can 10 pints kicking in

E Bul I really think you are clueless in the ways of life, and perhaps are very inexperienced dealing with the opposite sex, perhaps you are a virgin as your naivety is shocking.

I am sorry but being a lecherous sex pest has never been allowable so get a grip FFS.

I got groped by a bird in a car in Rochester in the mid 1970s.
Facked if I was going to complain, it turned into a BJ.
The difficult bit was trying to change gear driving up Chatham Hill.

automatic your friend

What was wrong with the clothes you were wearing, cmat?

I'm not a facking scouser, clothes are clothes, not gear.

Are there any threads about clothes for me to check on that?

I bid you goodnight and leave you to work that one out. Probably the most work you will have done for a while

What a waste of time.

Should have a week to report an assault, then too late.

How much did that trial cost to get that result. Its less about justice and more about making lawyers rich.

The correct sentence

Guilty makes him open for civil proceedings

Could be an expensive tit he grabbed there

I do not approve of his behaviour, but never thought it was worth prison

Dotchinite
26 Sep 14 12:06
How much did that trial cost to get that result. Its less about justice and more about making lawyers rich.




Not as bad as the two cnunts who beheaded Lee Rigby.

What the fack was there a trial for?

1400 children raped in Rotherham, and there's little news on the progress of bringing police, social workers, care home staff, councilors etc. to account; yet Dave Lee Travis squeezes a woman's arse in 1974,  and the CPS pursue him for years under a huge media spotlight.

There will be no civil case. The woman doesn't want to..

Yes HH Sultan Vinegar...that concerns me, we should be dealing with the here and now

I am glad to hear that guinness...I think she has had her revenge

I am of the opinion only the underage cases should be followed up in YewTree

that has always meant a prison sentence, in my lifetime

Who is this silly cow anyway ?

I have heard her described as a 'TV personality'

awful man

As HH quite rightly says, the real story is hidden..

Numerous people within the Council and the Police were complicit.

It's bigger than Iraq. It's more serious. It's in our back yard. This is England. This is our home. These are our girls. Noone else will come to our aid. No UN resolution, no international intervention. It's down to us..

Get the troops home to protect us from the threat within.

should have had a short time in prison, he is a sex predator and a court found him guilty of that.

kenny mann 26 Sep 14 11:58 Joined: 29 Apr 10 | Topic/replies: 27,484 | Blogger: kenny mann's blog
Should have a week to report an assault, then too late.


Are you for real?

These threads always bring out the closet sex beasts on chit chat.

should have had a short time in prison, he is a sex predator and a court found him guilty of that.

I think you will fid all men are that...it is our instinct
still we do not not all grab women's tits ..I have never done
can't see why it was in court 18 years later?
effing waste of public money..

I am proud to be a sex beast, whatever that is
LOL!

Time  for you to try & get  some kip I think EG

a very lucky man
should have got 1 year prison for this assault
plus 1 year for his nickname
plus 2 years for his beard
plus 2 years for his crimes against music
plus 3 years for the gear hes worn in court
to run consecutively

LOL! going skint

tbh pumphol I don't think many women have regarded me as a sex beast
more as a sad disappointment sad!

I was being slightly facetious

the local doctor felt my wifes breasts when she went in complaining of a sore throat around 20 years ago when we first registered,she just laughed it off,Although she did always try and see females doctors after that

What exactly do you mean by 'felt my wife's breasts'? Was it as part of a medical examination...or do you think that it was for some sort of sexual pleasure on the part of the doctor?

And she hasn't 'laughed it off' has she? She does not trust male doctors.

Never liked DLT. Very arrogant reaction from him outside court yesterday, and never showed any remorse in court, then outside court bleating about his conviction AFTER he had been found guilty of groping a young woman.  What he done was a different order to Savile and a few others, but he was still a sexual pest molesting women for his own cheap thrill. And now still possible 1 or 2 women could lodge civil cases against him.

Yep there will be a few chasing compo no doubt about it and they will be believed as that is now the default position

DLT may have good reason not to show remorse and react like he has. He is the one who knows whether he is guilty or not.

It's usually the default position when people get placed on the Beastie Register.

Well that is exactly the point is it not

If he knows he is not guilty why the hell should he show remorse when he has been put through hell.

The enormous stress on himself and his family

His character ruined and facing fianancial meltdown due to court costs

No wonder he acted like he did and gave some compo chasing tart outside court a verbal volley

If he reacted like that he could very easily land himself in much deeper water. There are probably dozens of other wronged women and girls in his past life who now realise that he assaulted others, as well. If the exist, and I would bet that they DO, he might well find that his attitude has incensed those who have not, as yet, pressed charges.
He may well have created an army of 'women scorned'!

More accusations are likely. Whether there is any truth in them your guess is as good as mine just like this last case.

Still could be yet more good news for the legal parasites.

^ that is the point with his arrogant attitude he could very easily land himself in much deeper water.

In court he ordered the Sunday Times columnist - who claims he molested her during an interview 2 years ago - to be removed from the public gallery because she was making him feel uncomfortable.  Then that whinging self-pitying angry speech he made outside court despite being found guilty !  He could well anger these women even more and still end up back in court AGAIN !!! 

And I don't believe ALL these women are telling lies and just chasing compo, I think they are now coming forward and telling the truth, they can't all be making it up.  So calling them a liar and a fantasist and his persistent denial he may well find that his attitude has incensed them. And others who have not yet pressed charges could get so angry and press charges to get at him.

is the rumour true that he would bet females a fiver he could make their jubblies move without touching them..then cop a feel,laugh and then hand over the fiver?

a repulsive individual