A Conservative government until 2050.

Good.

It would be better than a UKIP one at least.

Labour would have to move their policies slightly to the right to find the middle ground.

they wouldnt be in the election after the housing bubble burst......the eu will have to bail the uk out and the tories will get the blame

I cannot think of a more frightening prospect for the future of my children.

The Economy - Money sitting in the wealthiest bank accounts, unspent, wealth divided to Victorian levels.
The NHS - Gone
Immigration - Would no longer matter, no-one would want to come here.

Think of ALL the worst things (and none of the good things) about the USA, add some horrible class divide, then finish off with mass hunger and deprivation for the majority.
I reckon 20 years of conservative rule would do that, let alone 36!

Agree with above. I'm already suffering DIRECTLY because of their anti-poor policies, and no, I'm not one of their scrounger, after all, I'm not a financial board advisor. They are destroying people's lives, they are deliberately forcing anyone on any kind of benefits to appear criminal, and - oh yes - there won't be any nhs in the future unless you pay for it, not that we aren't already with national insurance contributions.

Why are you a victim Tony?
Do you think Labour did you any favours, can not see how people see a difference between them.
Both are representing the real power base of banks and lawyers along with big business, for me though, Labour did more to help create the vile conditions in Rotherham and then fight tooth and nail to hide it despite being probably the worst crimes in English history.

Still feel you are suffering?

It began with; all the privatisations, NHS cut-backs, need for profit and assistance to Advertisers/Corporations/(big)Shareholders, friends and family of policy makers and politicians, from 1979. Since then, government both Conservative AND Labour - well, "New Labour", have just continued with more of the same.

A vast majority of the population is either suffering or is at least not as comfortable as the were or would have been under fairer policies.

No work for millions, harder and proportionally less well paid, for longer hours, work than ever before for more millions. Ridiculous costs for housing, food, utilities and tax.
We're all victims.

The 'Austerity' the politicians and journalists talk about and put us through is something they do not have to suffer themselves, so there isn't much hope of an end to it.

Maybe if by some fluke, the Green Party got into power, things might change. They seem to be the only political force with any genuinely caring or reasonably fair ideas.

Tony Broke • September 6, 2014 8:03 AM BST
Agree with above. I'm already suffering DIRECTLY because of their anti-poor policies, and no, I'm not one of their scrounger, after all, I'm not a financial board advisor. They are destroying people's lives, they are deliberately forcing anyone on any kind of benefits to appear criminal, and - oh yes - there won't be any nhs in the future unless you pay for it, not that we aren't already with national insurance contributions.

Explain to us how you are suffering please, Tony....

Economy Doesnt really matter for normal people.

NHS old and tired anyway you get what you pay for sh it awful service in my opinion, not knocking the nurses but anything free gets abused.

Immigration Too late

sh it awful service in my opinion

is that based on personal experience sj?

Yes mate. Like I say nothing against the nurses I think their workload is way too much. Wages are poor too

All successful nations need a shortage of labour, not a surplus. It is impossible for
Britain to be prosperous again regardless of who is in power because of immigration.
This is the same throughout europe and the US.

Ian Duncan Smith come in for some stick but I think on the whole he's done well.

It is impossible for Britain to be prosperous high wage economy regardless of who is in power because of the success of low wage economies in other parts of the world.
It is surprising that we still have the prosperity that we enjoy today. If you think we are in a bad way then suggest you read George Orwell's essay "The Road to Wigan Pier" in which he writes about how things were for the working class less than a century ago.

by 2040  we will have sharia law so there will be no need for labour or the tories.......i will be wormfood by then so i will be out of it

Id like to disagree with your views on duncan smith howdi, i think he oguht to be shot

Wife - waiting on pip - along with thousands of others - for almost a year. No excuse whatsoever other than gov't trying to save money hoping many will give up. They make sick people travel miles out of their way in ridiculous places, many not even in main city or town areas where those sick people reside. Smith has even stated the tories have saved money from the bedroom tax!! what a twut. The sufferng that has caused!
Theyre even making things difficult for people like myself who are self employed. 'Pretending' theyre trying to help with all this workzone shyte in councils. Its getting as bad as the job centres. Gov't despises the poor, they fuel hatred towards the scrounger mentality when the real scroungers are the elite - ie same people study mentioned.

The consequences would be very good.

As if!

The world as we know it ain't gonna exist in TEN years from now - nevermind 36!

Howdi, agree with the point about Duncan-Smith, was never allowed to go as far as was needed, made some unfair cuts along the way tho.

Local tory MP and cabinet member asked us in the street if we had any questions before the last election, asked him why they did not introduce a cap on benefit for over 2 kids.

Behaved as though he had never heard anything so outlandish and even asked what should be done with the third child ffs, within 2 years his cabinet were leaking details to the press about doing something along these lines.

Unfair that with benefits, rent, and all the things they are not required to pay for, a family with 5 kids can have much more disposable income than the manager on £30k in our factory.

It`s amazing how the Tory press and media can manipulate the working classes to turn on their own kind. They hate seeing their neighbours get on in life or worse still curse them if they don`t work and can buy a new cooker or take the kids on holiday. They think the unemployed should live in squalor and go about with no erse in their trousers. Sure there are scroungers who are fit and won`t work (and I`m not talking about the Royal Family) but they are a very small percentage and most people are unemployed through no fault of their own. IDS and his like will all rot in Hell.

^^MM.

Turn on who?

I went to Ireland in 82 when no work locally here, hitch-hiked my way round for 3 days and found work, discovered the first 6 months to be tax free to migrant workers.
Reason for this was there was no right to claim anything from Ireland and any claim made had to be transferred to the UK.

Told the Irish lads how that ought to be the way of things in the UK, then the f**king EU got hold of them with human rights chyt.
Admitted 2 years ago they could not pay benefit for much longer and the clock must be ticking, perhaps now they follow the UK with in-direct taxes paying the massive benefit bill.

At that time we were told to get on a bike and look for work, what they failed to add was that if you left the country to work they hammered  us on return.

Some absolute b.ollox spoken on this thread to date. .  And yes, I am talking to all of you.  Like a sixth form common room.

"Economy doesnt matter for normal people" a personal favourite, I mean wtf.

Like a sixth form common room.

How would you know? 

Good God.

There is some sh*t posted on this thread. Not least by Studyform, whose non-political opinions are usually worth listening to. Tony Broke sounds like a troll and of course lfc1971 is one but Studyform should know better.

Rob Dylan is the only one talking sense. When the rest of you catch up we can maybe debate it....

All successful nations need a shortage of labour, not a surplus.


This is my favourite so far...

get two jobs if you're short.

trll yeasty, right, try living in the fecking real world.Can you not actually see people in this country are sufferign directly owing to tory policies. If you dont see it you must be fecking stupid or ignorant.

Food banks. Whoever heard the like, and even working people are using them. Totally unacceptable and immoral in a so-called civilised society.If the tories win the election i hope i can leave this evil country.

The Economy - Back to pre labour times, workhouses, downtown abbey, super rich with servants
The NHS - Privatised
Immigration - Out of EU, points system like Australia

My political opinions are borne of experience, thoughtful and considered, yeasty. They are at least as worth listening to as the non-political ones.
It's difficult, I've discovered, to be all things to all people .
Kind as the offer is, debating the point is out for me, I'm afraid; pressure of work, stress, the absolute certainty I'm right and the need to stay chilled, all contribute.
I am glad though, that my offerings aren't wasted. Thank you.

To be fair the food bank arguement is a interesting one. You can bet your life there are a few ponces in them trying to get something for nothing, also I've seen a few of the programes on food banks and you have people pulling up in 04 plate cars to use them if you can afford to run a car you're hardly on the breadline

^^^ good point (bar the spelling mistake)

might be using the 04 plate car[ which he may have got in better times ]to travel to work to earn low wages which after rents etc leaves little for food, low wages not unemployment is the scurge of this country

A lot of people wonder what happened to people in financial difficulty before food banks. When they search on things like budgeting loans and crisis loans they find out that fecking up your own personal finances, or having them fecked up for you by government agencies, and seeking emergency help is less common now than in say 2006.

One example is this year 83% of tax credits claimants renewed on time, compared to 81% the year before. The numbers having their claims terminated because they didn't renew was a record low.

This does make me laugh though:
Jesus, being a christian, would forgive Iain Duncan-Smith for what he has done and the nasty management employed and the rather cynical transition of much emergency support from loans to food-banks. Which had to happen imv, because a lot of the loans weren't being collected back and the peess was being taken.
Tony Broke who I think is a christian, would have him shot.

im speaking metaphorically!I wouldn't actually shoot anyone although everything this tory gov't stands for and all that they, the banks, the utility companies have done to the most vulnerable members of society is bordering on naziism, they have, and are, demonising the very people who can't fight back. What I truly can't understand is how any of you tory apologists have the gall to actually come on here and support the evil which has been portioned out to the disabled, the old, those who rely on any kind of benefits. These tory swine are living it up telling us were scroungers, stealing bedroom tax and pretending theyre doing this to free up homes when in fact Duncan smith has admitted, in his usual smug way, that the ta has actually saved the gov't money..well isnt that fecking marvellous, stealing from the poor to give to the rich.
Also, bongo, Im actually human, im not going to stand by and see ordinary people suffer and say nothing, if I feel something is totally immoral and unjustified Ill say something, if I sound rather forthright in my opinions, then it might be because im angry, not just this shyte gov't but with the selfish, unfeeling people who come on and try to support acts of evil, because that is what is REALLY going on. You must live in cloud cuckoo land indeed.

^^^ is this your opinion, Tony, or the thoughts of generations of Broke's? (serious question)

me alone

and its from personal experience

and don't think im a soppy labour supporter either! all as bad - the whole lot of 'em!

fair point.

I wish you well pal.

Sounds to me that you wouldn't shoot IDS then. Based on that rant you'd go for a more brutal execution, perhaps nailing the guy to a cross and leaving him for 4 days to be taken by the foxes.

Too good for tories.

I often wonder what people of the 1940s would make of Britain today, they knew what hardship was.

Those that think our woes started in 1979 are obviously rather young. They should study a bit of history and learn what a basket case this country was under the Labour Government leading up to 1979.

good point 3 day week.

I voted in the 1979 election, so I very much remember it and the preceding few years, arleystation.

I also remember it well enough to not have had my views clouded by the BS about the Unions, and how they were holding the country to ransom and how it was and still is a load of Tory spin.

Good luck in your parallel universe, Studyform.

Your 100% certainty is both telling and frightening.

Things were so bad in the 1970s that I emigrated.
All powerful unions
rampant inflation
Bl**dy Wilson
Sunny Jim

My universe may well be parallel to yours, arley, but it (and do consider it a possibility) could be the one we're all living in.

once Scotland is free in a month's time and the enlightenment begins again. Utopia established... we might come down to the dystopic English fascist lands and free youz. och aye the noo.

hopefully the scots' voting to govern themselves will not make any difference to the tory swine being booted out

I think Merseyside should govern themselves, too

From my experience of living there, tony, they already do.