what is the difference between BNP and UKIP??

their is no difference, that's why I vote for the two of them. cheers.

They probably wouldn't have kept quiet had they been in charge of Rotherham council.

So yes, they are exactly the same.

I agree with Tallywagger.

Ukip, lot have posher voices.

and their hopping to get taxes reduced on millionaires like themselves at the expense of people on minimum wage (standard percentage rate income tax policy).

Ukip are as Tories and Labour are, owned by the banks/business cartel (allegedly).

Not heard that accusation aimed at the BNP.

And can not imagine Ukip activists risking arrest and un-employment to distribute leaflets regarding child rape in the North and Midlands.

I imagine the OP is unaware that the decade long accusations of abuse in Rotherham was proven, not really a good time to be asking questions of groups that have the b0ll0x to ask the serious questions.

@pandora since when did speaking up for the UK become 'chyt' as you put it.
I'm assuming that that is what the **** meant.

The only $hit spouted on this thread is by the op.His head is so firmly stuck up his own ar$e its frighting.

Couldn't agree more twizzle.

Explain what you mean regards "because to me they spout the same ****"

If the OP is driven to ask this question then it is clear that he has not been paying attention.

whats the diff between labour and the tories?

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@pandora since when did speaking up for the UK become 'chyt' as you put it.
I'm assuming that that is what the **** meant.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear! akabula's secret is out.

The BNP wanted to send the immigrants back to where they came from.
All I've ever heard UKIP say about immigration is that they want to limit it.

I think pandora1963 who is a regular commentator on politics is trying to suggest that UKIP are something that they are not.

Which is typical leftie tactics.
He'd rather stand by and let foreigners take our jobs houses and eventually take over the country.
His motives are clear.
He's a loser, and he hates his own country because of it.

Northernlad on another seethe.

Where I live we have a few hard working immigrants from African countries, all tell similar tales.

On arrival the council puts them on an estate of mainly Somali families, these workmates are from the neighbouring Djibouti.
They tell of Somali`s that have many kids and have been here near on 20 years without ever having a job, in some cases not even learning the language to help keep that comfortable life.

When ever they meet at a dentist or a chemist the Somali`s think the working lads have been taken for fools as they have to pay for treatment and prescriptions, these tales are always more interesting when told by working immigrants but would not be the kind of stuff you would want to hear.

Of course our own benefit culture is a curse on us and one that needs tearing up and starting afresh, but that would be far too unpopular a decision for any of these designer politicians to take.

acquiesce12
acquiesce12 06 Sep 14 12:40 Joined: 27 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 2,609 | Blogger: acquiesce12's blog
Ironically, if it wasn't for immigrants, this country would be a third world country.

The indigenous white population have grown up in a benefit culture they can't give up, an addiction stronger than heroin, if anyone should be kicked out it's the white scoungers. Those bending over backwards to get here WANT to work.

Very true, Warehouse work and HGV drivers were never white British in fact these jobs never existed until the great Eastern European influx dont know how we got by without them

Those bending over backwards to get here WANT to work.

If they can read English, why do they come here when there is a 'high rate of unemployment'????

If they can't read English, they won't know about high unemployment, or more importantly, benefit rates, so why don't they stay on mainland Europe and find work, as evryone knows they will either commit crime or starve in Calais.

There is  high rate of unemployment because the Brits think many of the jobs that are available are beneath them, the immigrants fill these jobs.

Jamie Oliver was spot on, Brit workers at the lower end of the pay scale, are lazy. European workers are harder workers.

Well, they attempt to, which is why we need more immigrants to continue to fill the work place. We should deport those on benefits for over 2 years, nobody can convince me that a person cannot find work in 24 months, it's ridiculous. But that's who these work programmes are aimed at, the long term unemployed and by all accounts, they are useless.

There is  high rate of unemployment because the Brits think many of the jobs that are available offer only slave labour wages.

Then they should have done better in school.

acquiesce12
acquiesce12 06 Sep 14 14:41 Joined: 27 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 2,612 | Blogger: acquiesce12's blog
There is  high rate of unemployment because the Brits think many of the jobs that are available are beneath them, the immigrants fill these jobs.

Jamie Oliver was spot on, Brit workers at the lower end of the pay scale, are lazy. European workers are harder workers.

See he knows these jobs were never done before the Eastern Europeans came over. HGV Drivers and Warehouse jobs wages havent dropped because of the mass influx its because ENglish people never done the jobs to begin with.
Jamie spit everywhere Oliver had it hard growing up eh

acquiesce12
acquiesce12 06 Sep 14 14:47 Joined: 27 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 2,614 | Blogger: acquiesce12's blog
Then they should have done better in school.

Ah so its you my friend not the people who go for jobs who think it's beneath them? Those who do manual labour manufacturing Lorry driving were just lazy at school were they? That's good to know

Lazy Brits refuse jobs.
Hard working immigrants take ANY job.

This is a fact, whichever way you try to dress it up

And who are the Lazy Brits my good man? Which jobs? As someone who has worked for the same company for 14 years in a warehouse and seen how it has changed in that sector and in the Haulage you sir are talking bollox

Always easy to preach that others should do any job for any money as long as it isn't you acquiesce12.

Always makes me laugh that bigmo. Those not in the said job where wages are the same or even lower than 15 years ago seem to be the experts

you don't know what I do bigmo so what are you rabbiting on about. Those jobs are beneath me but that's because I am qualified to do much higher paid work. Those that aren't should take what's there and stop scrounging tax payers money, it's not theirs.

Are you telling me that the long term unemployed, the job shirkers, cannot find a job within TWO years, that my friend is RIDICULOUS, do you know how ridiculous it sounds, think about it, immigrants are barely here for a few weeks before they're in employment, they'll take anything, there are plenty of jobs out there.

acquiesce12
acquiesce12 06 Sep 14 15:24 Joined: 27 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 2,620 | Blogger: acquiesce12's blog
you don't know what I do bigmo so what are you rabbiting on about. Those jobs are beneath me but that's because I am qualified to do much higher paid work. Those that aren't should take what's there and stop scrounging tax payers money, it's not theirs.

Are you telling me that the long term unemployed, the job shirkers, cannot find a job within TWO years, that my friend is RIDICULOUS, do you know how ridiculous it sounds, think about it, immigrants are barely here for a few weeks before they're in employment, they'll take anything, there are plenty of jobs out there.

Exactly including wages. All the people I work with in Haulage and the warehouses must be liars. Answer me this know it all how comes these jobs were decent paid work 15 years ago but not now?

Fact: There are plenty of jobs available that need filling
Fact: There are plenty of people unwilling to do the jobs
Fact: Most of these people that are unwilling to do these jobs, mostly unskilled, are the indigenous white population.

One doesn't mind foreigners but doesn't want any more over here.

The other can't stand 'em full stop.

acquiesce12
acquiesce12 06 Sep 14 15:45 Joined: 27 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 2,624 | Blogger: acquiesce12's blog
Fact: There are plenty of jobs available that need filling
Fact: There are plenty of people unwilling to do the jobs
Fact: Most of these people that are unwilling to do these jobs, mostly unskilled, are the indigenous white population.

When you wanna answer the question regarding wages you let me know sweetcheeks. You can also let me know how these jobs were all filled a decade ago before the mass influx

sj

He can not answer that, warehouse work here is minimum rate, would be less if they could get away with it.

You are missing the point here

Jobs are available, work-shy Brits wont take them and would rather sponge benefits. Comparing wages from 98 and 14 are pointless.

Ps, if you want to go down the passive aggressive route, refrain from using terms like 'sweetcheeks', it makes you look a bit of a prat, I don't think the lads in the warehouse will be too impressed

Those jobs are beneath me but that's because I am qualified to do much higher paid work.

So you've admitted on the forum that god forbid you should lose your job you would find certain jobs beneath you so wouldn't take.

"passive aggressive" oh dear. you seem to be going off topic again. Why is comparing wages from '98 to 14 pointless? I'm not talking about going up with inflation I'm talking the same or less. You are the one looking a prat. If this is still to difficult a question, which given your qualifications is a puzzler maybe you could answer how these jobs were done before the mass influx you know what with the lazy British.

You can't answer the question can you?

1. Are there plenty of jobs available - YES
2. Do Brits go out of their way to get these jobs -NO


It's that simple, no need to post essays on the matter, BRITS are lazy because many of them on the dole were brought up in a benefits culture, something for nothing, free school meals, free education, free health care, everything free, free, free.

We need immigrants who understand the hard work ethic.

LOL. We'll try again cos you're still struggling. Let's say somebody comes into your work you know with all your qualifications cos you're such a high flyer, your boss comes in and says "I'm freezing your wages for the next 14 years. Now you carry on paying your mortgage now otherwise Dariuz over there will do the job". We're not talking about the fact that there are some people on benefits. (I notice you're saying there isnt any immigrants on benefits ) And please please try to answer this question why were these jobs being done before the cheap labour came over if no British were prepared to do the job 10 years ago? Dont go off on a different tangent now answer those points please

They are not PREPARED to work NOW, regardless of wages then, now is prevalent, they are quite happy to take without given back to society, vermin do that.

Immigrants who work have a massive competitive edge over most of these work shy Brits you talk about. They have just turned up in the country and can locate to anywhere in the country where there is jobs, stay 8 to a flat or in lodgings next to the work for the season and put up with this because the wages they get have far more spending power when they take them home to spend. They don't care about job security or that it's seasonal work because they can move elsewhere or return home when they want.

It's a bit different for the Brit who has to relocate somewhere for a minimum wage job which has no job security or be worse off having to spend money on public transport for a job miles away.

"They" you mean those in manual labour jobs and lorry drivers? Well that's your opinion as somebody who gets up at 5.40 6/7 mornings a week I disagree. Strange how that has happened the last 10 years and how it coincides with the mass influx of cheap foriegn labour. I notice you didnt answer the question if your boss told you your wages would stay the same.
It s been interesting though

Cafe's, newsagents, resturants etc, these in places like London are mostly set up and run by foreigners, how many newsagents are run by white agent? they're virtually all Asian, why do Brits not start up their own business on the same scale? their is nothing stopping them apart from laziness

Businesses are entitled to maximise their revenue by using cheap labour, those that refuse to work for low wages could always train for a better job, set up their own company, but they'd rather go to the job centre every two weeks and ponce off of the hard working tax payer.

They also see D list celebs and want to be just like them, that's why deadbeat reality shows like Big Brother are still popular. Young British kids in particular don't aspire to be surgeons or Dentists or Firemen, the girls want to get their t!ts out and get paid for it.

Still struggling arent you mate. People already trained in getting HGV licences obtained skills like fork lift truck driving and worked hard. You seem to think that those who want to do manual labour jobs(or can only do that) are lazy ponces. So those who work these jobs will never own or even be able to private rent on their own according to you espcially in the South east. Its a decade plus to get a one bedroom flat in many parts of the south east. The wages you want to pay will not cover private rent flat and living and forget and mortgage so where are these people supposed to go?
Oh wait sorry everyone should start their own business.

Job in Tesco going, wage: £7 a hour

How many white Brits compared to the number of Asians apply for the job?

Answer: Walk into Tesco in any City or town and see for yourself.

White Brits are simply not prepared to do any job to get off the dole, they want to be paid for doing JACK.

You must be in Bradford, just about every worker in my Tesco's in Essex is white. And still you really believe that the natives have only changed their attitude to work in the last 10 years

Also Asians do half a job, dont sell or handle pork and alcohol do they?

Bottom line is this.

There ARE jobs available out there.

Brits REFUSE them.

Immigrants do not.

Claiming benefits is for scum.

Ps, I am from Essex.

The aim in work is to earn as much as you can, andif you have a good basic wage and the
chance of some overtime and making some real money so much the better.But history shows
the only times wages imcrease is when there js a shortage of labour.
This is why anyone middle or working class would be mad if they did not vote for a party that
would stop immigration..it is omly a labour shortage that gives them power, nothing else.

The main difference is ukip are going to win parliamentary seats and give guardian readers ,bbc types lentil knitters and the rest of the political establishment a good boot up the arse.

By the way you must start from the premise of what is  best for you, nobody else.
There is no benefit to the average young person of allowing thousnds of unskilled
and skilled immigrants into the country...and then you wonder why real wages are
dropping year on year. It is essential for any su cessful country to have a labour shortage,
not a surplus.

acquiesce12
acquiesce12 06 Sep 14 17:47 Joined: 27 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 2,642 | Blogger: acquiesce12's blog
Bottom line is this.

There ARE jobs available out there.

Brits REFUSE them.

Immigrants do not.

Claiming benefits is for scum.

Ps, I am from Essex.


Well I'm British and you Gordon Gecko I assume are British and we both work. You have got a point though every single immigrant works. I'm 100% with you that people who scrounge are sc um. You seem to have the problem of making the difference between hard working people who arent on big money from people who cant be bothered to work.

It is quite bizarre that thousands of young British people are not angrier...and
much more right wing. Of course they have undergone indoctrination in school
and media  but things could change very quickly.

No listen to acquiesce it's cos they're all lazy. Amazing that this great immigrant work ethic why their own countries are such shi thole messes

sj I don't entirely agree because many of the people who come now from say Poland
can not believe what a sh.thole Britain has become. They expected a fairly civilised country
and can't believe the shambles they find:-)

that's the general mentality of the average brit worker - that minimum wage is not doable and they'd rather sign on, it's a fact, not conjecture

£6.50 a hour 40 hour week not everyone gets overtime and you think you can get by in the South East private renting on that? Good lad

16 poles come over here rent a house get jobs on minimum wage and work for 3 years ,after 3 years they have enough money to go back to poland build themself a house and start a business. Are you following so far?
16 yorkies move south and rent a house get jobs on minimum wage and work for 3 years.
They dont have enough money for a deposit on a house the bank wont lend them money to start a business they think all southerners are juan kerrs and they are no further forward.
Its about aspirations and we are leaving our own children with very little by voting for the coonts who are happy to perpetuate his sh!te

The thing I've learnt most here is that it s not just those who claim benefits who people treat with distain its those who work but for not great money. They should apparently just start their own business

We have had migrants from all over Europe work in local factory`s and use local facilities, you have nailed it Flush.
Most have a plan to send the tax credits home and save for 3 years for a better life back home.

acquiesce12
06 Sep 14 17:47   
Bottom line is this.
There ARE jobs available out there.
Brits REFUSE them.
Immigrants do not.
Claiming benefits is for scum.
Ps, I am from Essex.

Do you have any idea how much the Tax Credit bill is, which is mostly given to low paid immigrants.

It's £5 BILLION a year.

No way CMT I'm not having that they dont claim and every single one works

yet more excuses for the work shy Brits, excuses never end

No excuse stating facts that you're talking bollox about claimants my good man

Things are so bad in Britain, and no real answers I can quite see a new right wing movement
becoming popular. It just needs a charasmatic leader....maybe someone like Nigel...but younger...
and more normal.

CMAT

Immigrants in work are HELPING to keep British businesses going, they are HELPING to keep the British economy moving, DOLEHEADS trotting off to the Job Centre cap in hand once every two weeks taking money that doesn't belong to them, money they did sod all to earn is tantamount to theft.

Yes, I agree, all benefits should be scrapped, it's a stupid notion, to give people something for nothing.

Retard^

Agree with Shrewd

Two planks of woods who deny facts when it's been shot at them in the face at point blank range.

Shrwed nob - are you a scrounger like sj ?

You need better bait pal.

You have made an entire thread out of complete and utter WAFFLE

I've kept it very simple, because the truth is.

White Brits, by their own admission, do not want to do low paid jobs, they, by their own admission, would prefer to be on the dole, as if we, the tax payer owe them a living, as if, life owes them a living, they, are nothing but scroungers, and they, are happy about it. Factually speaking, nothing I have said is incorrect.

White Brits, by their own admission, do not want to do low paid jobs, they, by their own admission, would prefer to be on the dole, as if we, the tax payer owe them a living, as if, life owes them a living, they, are nothing but scroungers, and they, are happy about it. Factually speaking, nothing I have said is incorrect.

White Brits are the taxpayer.

A successful country needs lazy people because often these are the most creative and
imtelligent. John Lennon once said had it not been for the Beatles he would never have
worked. This was at a time of pretty much full employment.
Of course we also need the worker bees, maybe like you and me or aq 12 with no great
intelligence or special gift.
But it essential that a country sets iyself up so these people can come through.
Cambridge uni has always allowed science people a wage but no real job as such because
they have ideas that bring the country milions.

One idea from a lazy person is worth more to a country and its wealth than
a thousand aq 12 how is unlikely to have an origional thought in his life.

acquiesce12
acquiesce12 06 Sep 14 22:22 Joined: 27 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 2,669 | Blogger: acquiesce12's blog
You have made an entire thread out of complete and utter WAFFLE

I've kept it very simple, because the truth is.

White Brits, by their own admission, do not want to do low paid jobs, they, by their own admission, would prefer to be on the dole, as if we, the tax payer owe them a living, as if, life owes them a living, they, are nothing but scroungers, and they, are happy about it. Factually speaking, nothing I have said is incorrect.

How much of the population is made up of non white Brits?

Now you may ask how does a country set itself up so it becomes somewhere
that people emerge that are creative and inventive, well thats a different fred
but  we only have to look at history to see.

ac 12 simple

all makes sense

The main problem for Britain is that we no longer seem to produce great people.
We need someone to come up with something equivalent to the computer industry
started in 1970s california.
If we don't it will mean we are unable to sustain present levels of immigration
But England has been a lucky country for at least 400 years, maybe it will be lucky again.

The truth is often very simple and often upsets simpletons.
Keep making excuses, we all know the truth.
Immigrants have much better work ethic than British people.
It's a fact. There is nothing else to say.

Bitter and seething he's not white British ^^.

I am white, and British, if someone was not white and British, why would pretend to be?

White Brits, by their own admission, do not want to do low paid jobs, they, by their own admission, would prefer to be on the dole, as if we, the tax payer owe them a living, as if, life owes them a living, they, are nothing but scroungers, and they, are happy about it. Factually speaking, nothing I have said is incorrect.

I am white, and British, if someone was not white and British, why would pretend to be

When you speak about 'I' which of your personalities are you referring to?

"When you speak about 'I' which of your personalities are you referring to"?

1.01 the northernlad5, one.

How many immigrants who 'came here to work' are on benefits?

Just one is one too many.

How many immigrants who 'came here to work' are in UK prisons?

Just one is one too many.

How many immigrants who 'came here to work' are working here illegally and paying no tax at all.




Just one is one too many.

Did anybody see the farmer on the BBC documentary in Wisbech early last year? 

Much news was made of  how hard the immigrants worked, and the way that a handful of locals plucked from Wisbech Jobcentre didn’t. 

The farmer seemed displeased that he had to pay the locals £6-19p an hour no matter how much asparagus they picked, while the eastern Europeans were working their nuts off. 

1) 
The asparagus picking season only lasts a few weeks. Less than 3 weeks after the programme ended, the hard working eastern Europeans were queuing alongside the locals for their JSA at Wisbech Jobcentre.

2)
Why did the BBC lackey not ask the farmer how him and his father managed not to go bankrupt with only locals to pick his crops for over 50 years, before the eastern Europeans came to the UK. 

Because picking fruit or vegetables is not a 12 month job. 

He didn’t want to admit that before the eastern Europeans got here that he employed locals, and paid them am extremely low rate of pay, cash in hand, while they signed on for JSA.

northernlad5
05 May 14 19:09 
In 2002 the economy was booming and there was skill shortages/manual worker shortages.

Manual worker shortage? 

A manual worker is unskilled.

Was every unskilled person in the UK in full time employment in 2002?

Leaving loads of jobs for more manual worker to come here?

Answer - no.

So we didn't need manual workers from outside the UK

northernlad5[
b]Labour was duty bound to do something about the fertility rate of 1.63 per female.[/b]

If there were less morons like you and the fake major I reckon the birth rate per woman would rise. Who would want a baby by you or bigamy boy?

northernlad5
IMMIGRATION IS A NET FISCAL POSITIVE

'Eastern europeans live frugally and send most of their cash home to their home country.'

Last time I posted that, you said how right wing it was for me to tell people how to spend their money.

Within 5 minutes I asked you what good they were doing to the UK economy living cheaply and sending money home.

To nobody's surprise at all, you never answered.

northernlad5
IMMIGRATION IS A NET FISCAL POSITIVE

Take the amount of income tax all the immigrants pay in.

(By immigrant I mean not born here, or their children)

Now subtract the JSA, Income Support, DLA, Housing Benefit and any other benefit paid to those immigrants that are not employed.

Subtract the family allowance paid to them for every child young enough to qualify for it.

Deduct the cost of every prisoner in a UK prison who wasn't born here.

Deduct the cost of deporting illegal immigrants at roughly £18,000 each (including appeals)

Deduct the cost of the Border Agency staff chasing illegal immigrants all over the UK

Deduct the cost of days of work lost by victims of muggings and robberies (the ones that live) in London and other cities by immigrants.

Now, how much have you got left from the working immigrants income tax payments?

I got no answers.

The crux of the matter is that all political partys have failed the indigenous population,
if there is a skills shortage it is their responsibility to make sure training and university places in the skill shortage areas are made a priority,
we have been told since the 1950 there is a skills shortage and in 60 years none of the incompetent fecks in any of the ruling partys has made any progress,
Dont blame the immigrants for our problems it is the useless fecks in westminster who are eying up another 10% wage increase who are to blame.