Robin Williams - Suicide ?

That's weird he was one of my favourite horses trained by F Walwyn. I backed him at big odds for the CH but of course he didn't run. He won the Swinton I think?

Blacbarn, what says you about someone like Peaches Geldof? A woman with young kids who kills her self with heroin. No money worries but leaves behind complete and utter devastation to her family who have to pick up the pieces. My girlfriends Mum chucked herself under a train when she discovered her husband's infidelity, she has never got over it to this day. It's a selfish act.

One can only imagine what them poor people are going through.

Virtually unbeatable when the going was firm and I`ve never seen a horse jump a hurdle as quick as him. He would have won the C H if he had got his ground.

Exactly.He was a match for Night Nurse jumping a hurdle.

Exactly.He was a match for Night Nurse jumping a hurdle.

Slippy, me old mucker - Peaches did not commit suicide,so there is a difference.

You know what I mean crags, this topic upsets me.

Yes, me too as I'm getting older and wonder where the time went... and what's in store

SlippyBlue - you have clearly just arrived. Please read the thread, and it's Blackbarn to you, thanks.

I was hugely saddened by the death of Peaches Geldof - She was exactly the same age as my eldest daughter, and one of the children is exactly the same age as my grandaughter. Not sure what your point is but for right or wrong, I did not mourn for her as I did for Ayrton Senna.

toe knee hand c0ck was a real person? well i never.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I expect some clown gave him a box set of Mork And Mindy.

get over it , drugs ruin the psyche

^ we got your rancid opinion first time. Why do you feel it's  necessary to keep on emphasing it ?

the people who describe suicide as a elfish act clearly have no empathy, tho on saying that I suppose if you have children the act is selfish in theory. However, the mind, and emotions, are not always strong enough to withstand the everyday stresses and heartache of today's world. Everyone is different, for eg. I have a wife and children, but have sometimes felt, in my many dark moments, that I would sooner not be here, so I suppose you could almost say my children and their undoubted reaction 'could' be saving me from that final act.
One person may say they cant do it as itd hurt their families, another wont because of their religious belief, while another will just end their life because they cant cope any longer, no matter the terrible consequences.

...and reading guy de Maupassant, listening to joy division, and watching films like the elephant man certainly don't help lighten one's darker moods!

The brain is not functioning normally when people commit suicide. There's no rational thought process I.e weighing up the pros and cons of their actions. All there is a a deep black hole and an overwhelming conviction that the only way out is to die.
Thoughts of the consequences of their actions , the effect it will have on loved ones just doesn't come into the equation at all. Death  is the only answer/ solution.

This is why coroners use the expression ' whilst the balance of their mind was disturbed '

Years ago there was a more common expression, still used by coroners "Took his own life while the balance of his mind was disturbed"  I think this is a far more accurate explanation of why some people kill themselves.

To generalise by calling it a selfish act, which of course it is, is very simplistic and shows ignorance of the complex nature of mental health.

TaC. Last line of previous post !!

Snap....dely in posting ment I didn't see you post.

Fox News host Shepard Smith said this. (He has since apologized, 'To the core of my being, I regret it. It just came out of my mouth. And I’m so sorry,' he said)

When Smith spoke about Williams’ daughter, Zelda, the host said:

“One of the children he so loved, one of the children grieving tonight. Because their father killed himself in a fit of depression.” ]

Smith goes on, and his angry tone doesn’t falter.

“It’s hard to imagine, isn’t it? You could love three little things so much, watch them grow, they’re in their mid-20s, and they’re inspiring you, and exciting you, and they fill you up with the kind of joy you could never have known.”

“And yet, something inside you is so horrible or you’re such a coward or whatever the reason that you decide that you have to end it. Robin Williams, at 63, did that today.”

The tone of his voice makes Shepard Smith comes across as a bigger tool.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/12/gop-and-fox-news-robin-williams-death/

When depressed people kill themselves, it highlights the limitations of psychiatry and medicine in this area.
They can bullshine about it until the cows come home, but as far as treating it and finding a cure they haven't got a clue where to start.

Al they can provide is to put people in a drugged up state until they come out of it themselves.

Blimey, I knew Fox were conservative..

At the end of the clip he brings up the legality of it. It seems that is where his anger stems from. He broke the law!

Now his daughter is "quitting" Twitter due to "abuse".

Isn't using Twitter compulsory these days? 

You'd be forgiven for thinking it was.

numerOne

I am sure that Shepard Smith and the woman where talking about the legality of weed when Williams was getting stoned back in the day.

Has Alan Brazil been sacked yet ?

What for?

Didn't he say Williams was a coward ?

Seems like fair comment to me.

I've got no view but surely that's free speech is it not?

he also said thank feck it wasn't Robbie Williams...clumsy comments

There seems to be an industry that has grown recently about taking offence at whatever any minor celebrity may care to utter and the subsequent pursuit of an apology.

please watch this video if you have time, shows Robin with a gorilla and it's quite touching.


.http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/gorilla-befriended-robin-williams-cried-4043840

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/11030632/Robin-Williams-Suicide-sends-shockwaves-through-families.html


An excellent piece in yesterday's Telegraph

watched that charlotte hawkins ex sky on itv this morning interviewing a shrink from the priory,
hawkins
why do famous people struggle with depression more than normal people
shrink they dont
hawkins
why do comedians struggle with depression more than normal people
shrink
they dont

etc, etc,

this dumb bint thinks that becuase mr and mrs joe bloggs death doesnt make it onto sky news  no one outside the luvies village suffer from these everyday illness,s,she should be sacked

Blimey, we'll have no-one left to work on tv or radio at this rate.

surely she's just stating the bleeding obvious that depression and by definition the suicide rate amongst celebrities is far higher than in the normal population ?

well there was probably 100,s of suicides in the world yesterday and 1 was a celebrity,so if there were 2 plumbers,bakers,bankers etc,no it wouldnt be far higher than the normal population

suicides by suicide bombers tend to have a high rate

I heard a joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life is harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. The great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says, "But doctor... I am Pagliacci." Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains

I actually saw that happy days episode when robin Williams made his 'debut' I think he was mork in that and then obviously had his own series afterwards

surely she's just stating the bleeding obvious that depression and by definition the suicide rate amongst celebrities is far higher than in the normal population

Not sure about this but one thing that research has discovered is that the suicide rates in the non celeb population increase markedly after the death of a celebrity. So in essence the suicide of someone as high profile as Robin Williams will cause many others to commit suicide.

^^ think it depends on how its reported there are guidelines. The rags in their wisdom with Robin Williams disregarded the guidelines in favour of sensationalism

Brendan its not a joke but a supposedly true (unlikely) story about the real life clown Grimaldi who was supposed to be the best there ever was
A man goes into the doctors, ‘Doctor,’ he says, ‘can you help me? Life doesn’t seem worth living, and I am shrouded in constant gloom.’ ‘My good man,’ says the doctor, taking a good look at the melancholy face before him, ‘there is only one cure for you. You must go and see Grimaldi the clown.’ ‘Sir,’ replies the patient, ‘I am Grimaldi the clown.’

It has been reported that his wife has confirmed he had early stage Parkinson's disease.

Could  it be that this depression/suicide story is just a cover-up for the usual depravity that happens in Hollywood ?

http://tellmenow.com/2014/08/did-robin-williams-die-of-autoerotic-asphyxiation/

^ unadulterated shlt. American guttersnipe reporting at its worst..

oh i do like to be beside the suicide

... oops, wrong thread.

Again Facts, seems like fair comment.

Why is it a fair comment ?

Because of the circumstances in which he was allegedly found.

It may or may not be true but it is worth keeping an open mind.

He's 'dead' for goodness sake......what is wrong with you people?!

When one has depression, one is in a state or mental pain all the time.
One can see no way out of it, life is so appallingly black that in itself hurts

If one sees no hope of this changing the most sensible thing is to commit suicide.

Although I would hardly call that cowardly, because to take ones own life itself takes some courage.
So I would not call Robin a coward.

In fact the only reason I am alive myself is because I am a coward, even though I wanted to commit suicide
because of depression I could not quite get the courage to do it. Although if the depression had not lifted slightly
in the end I would probably have had to do it. But it is no easy thing. A person is in some pain
to take ones own life. People do not do it for a laugh.

As for being selfish, well Robin may have felt his family were well catered for, so he was under no
obligation to them to stay alive, although it will always cause pain to anyone who cares for you.
He may even have felt a burden to them.

I now have someone dependant on me, and as my life has slightly improved, my depression has slightly
lifted, but will never go away. I wish at times I had the courage to commit suicide.

My message is, do not ever blame someone for taking their own life, unless you have had depression yourself.

I have known people who have committed suicide, and believe me, they have been in some mental pain.
In some cases sadly it seemed inevitable. Because there was no way to take away their mental pain,
they were suffering.

I am not talking about suicide attempts to gain attention here.
The real deal, when people go all the way, because it is the only way to stop the pain.

It is no hope which finally kills. As long as people can find some hope, even if unlikely
they will hang on. But no hope kills. Robin had Parkinson's, at this stage he may well have lost hope.
At this point suicide is very hard to stop.

ebul, i feel for u man..................... i have a son who suffered from the black dog, and i never knew what real pain was until my experiences with him, one thing i did learn was that always keep the communication open and truthful and always give as much love as u can.

to u ebulgery a big hug................................man hug, not gay in any way

Depression like mental illness generally is one long big deep lonely hole and if there is a ladder people just can't find it. Levity is generally our way of saying there but for good fortune go I. He leaves us many happy memories even if his own road was rocky. Hopefully his family are in some small way comforted by the fact that his kindness and humanity seemed to shine through and that he expresed it in a way which must have alleviated suffering for others even if that was only fleeting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m6PP6l2Duw

Another piece of genius from the manics...


"Black Dog On My Shoulder"


There's a black dog on my shoulder again
Licking my neck and saying she's my friend
Solitude the one thing that I really miss
Guess my life is a compromise

There's a black dog on my shoulder again
I'm playing with it but it's gone to my head
Like Carlito's way there are no exit signs

Freeze me there until I am numb
My mouth is so dry
My eyes are shut tight
There's a black dog a coming tonight
Black dog's a coming tonight

My dilemma but not my choice
Winston Churchill can you hear my voice
Melodrama there in my kitchen sink
Double vision the way it is

Am I coming home to you again
Or am I stupid just by design
Does it matter if you really ever know

This black dog is out of control
My mouth is so dry
My eyes are shut tight
There's a black dog a coming tonight
Black dog's a coming tonight

Am I coming home to you again
Or am I stupid just by design
Does it matter if you really ever know

This black dog is out of control
My mouth is so dry
My eyes are shut tight
There's a black dog a coming tonight
Black dog's a coming tonight

I know exactly how u feel ebulgery, glad u have someone dependent on you, as have I. You seem like a very spiritual, kind, tolerant and peaceful person to me, and the world needs people such as yourself as its going mad! should u ever feel particularly bad, please feel free to private message me, as I can empathise at least.

i also see lana del rey has been slated by kurt contains daughter, don't know the fullextent of what lana's been saying, but from what ive read, young beanie cobain has been a trifle unfair on her, as im sure lana isn't trying to glorify suicide in anyway, she does appear - from her past - to be someone who has had to undergo severe depression.

Wesdag     15 Aug 14 14:53 
Because of the circumstances in which he was allegedly found.

It may or may not be true but it is worth keeping an open mind.



Pure sordid journalism. How does the fact he slashed his wrist fit in with the sleazy accusation ?

Everyone here is only guessing about whether it was suicide or not. Either you believe the media or you dont.

prefer to believe the coroner myself, but each to their own

Do you know him then or have you just read a report in the media about him?

they have their own website

Facts,

that's why I said allegedly.

To be honest, I'm not all that bothered about the circumstances. As suggested above, best to wait for what the coroner decides.

ta logroller and Tony Broke, I appreciate your wishes
if I feel the need I will pm you Tony

I would doubt I am the only depressive on these forums

Most of the suicides I knew of came from the mental health system
Nobody has depression by choice nobody commits suicide lightly, they are always I great pain
either physical or mentally..so I could never condemn them

My black dog, comes once a week regularly, just for the day, I wish he would not, but there you are.
There a lot of people who suffer in this world far worse than me
That depresses me on it's own
maybe life is over rated

but R.I.P Robin Williams, he gave us a lot while he was here

As Woody Allen once said:

Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and it's all over much too soon.

depression and gambling are not the best mix
since as we all know on here backing a loser depresses us

but I have gambled all my life, so if I stopped that would depress me
CATCH 22

The solution is to always back winners, but that solution has always eluded me

sometimes we must laugh, so as not to cry
so I wonder if that is the link between comedians and depression
although tbf, not all comedians are depressed, hmmm?????

Wesdag

Although I get depressed sometimes, just like most of us, I console myself with the thought that there are millions around the world who really have got something to be depressed about and would love to swap places with me.

I find reading MoneyTrees posts a great relief

watch laurel and hardy or read the alternative herbal remedy handbook on amazon by anthony del porto which is very amusing!

Burton-Brewers  • August 16, 2014 8:27 PM BST 
I find reading MoneyTrees posts a great relief

Money Tree could stop a runaway locomotive.

Tommy Cooper, was a depressive, I think the excellent film on ITV showed that
Also the only comedian to die on a laugh, his death at the London Palladium was
unintentionally classic Cooper humour

Some people condemn Cooper, because the women in his lives took one or two bruises,
but I think that is rewriting history

Cooper was a big man and not easy to handle physically, particularly if he did not want to do something.
But I do not believe there was any maliciousness in him, there rarely is in a comedian.
His women loved to the end as well, they accepted it, if not gladly at least stoically.

yes Slippy
the fact he considers himself a judge, is what greatly amuses me
but for all that I like him and his posts

In fact with Cooper I wonder if he did not play up his own death a bit for a laugh
probably not....but I would not put it past him

Robin Williams sadly no. It does seem sad he could stay alive for his wife and children,
but he could not.
He was in great mental stress when he died, I forgive him.

One could certainly accuse Cooper of selfishness
often those with talent are...but I forgive him

But I don't think I am seeing selfishness with Robin Williams here???????????????????????

Are you for real? The women in his life stoically accepting a few bruises. Oh, well that's ok then. Shame they couldn't accept them gladly as you suggest.

Unbelievable

As a point of fact, they did
otherwise they would not have stayed with him would they?

I am saying it was one of his good points...

erm..NOT saying

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qquQNxKJxw

I am saying it was one of his good points...

comedy gold

The man is epic, just spent the last hour watching his top youtube videos.

Genius

Never realised he was so like eddie izzard, or Eddie was like RW.

You need to watch him on stage via youtube, the drink and drugs things are brilliant if not a bit close to him.

sorry to post again.

this is RW

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM-gZintWDc

have people seen that clip of robin with the gorilla yet? very touching.

I hope lana del rey never does anything 'untoward' - id be devastated!

Ldr. ? Is there anyone more fake !

fake maybe, but if you look into her life more closely, youll find she's very insecure. And depressed. BUT she is also extremely talented, at least she can write cracking tunes which is more than can be said for the t v so-called talent crap which is entirely fake in every way.

She cares about her fans, is a very warm person, has had to undergo severe criticism from some of the media, and after all, if the lady wants to undergo surgery in order to feel good about herself then thats entirely up to her. I know she has a dark side, and i just feel it would yet again be an enormous waste should she ever act upon some of the more alarming stuff which goes on in her mind.
Maybe im being ott but i believe she has written better songs than any woman artist in history

yes your being ott

What a sweeping statement Tony !Thats going to get some reaction on here.
There has been some staggering songs written by female artists over the years.To say LDR has bested all of them is somewhat ludicrous I'm afraid.

all personal i know but you cant say national anthem and summertime sadness arent amongst the very best.

National anthem. Is A sick amateurish parody of a life changing moment in the western world. I find it incredibly trashy and insulting. the message /video is so overdone it's embarrassing.

Summertime sadness. Again trying to be controversial . Parts of her voice are ok at best.

She is fake, the whole video arrangements are poor. And as for the YouTube 'likes ' hundreds of millions ? I think not. There are people who are paid to multiply these numbers. Bit like clocking mileage on a car ( but in reverse).
F A K E  !

Back in the old days people would ask musicians about their songs what came first: the words or the music.

In the case of many nowadays and certainly LDR, it appears to be the video.

i couldnt care less about the videos - i honestly dont know how you cant like summertime sadness! shes far classier than beyonce and her ilk.

Her songs have no real depth of feeling or beauty, or any natural talent. It is like someone who
produces a painting  by numbers, someone without both the technical ability to write agood song
and also the intelligence or emotional depth.

^ agreed.

Beyoncé ?

Try comparing ldr  to Kate bush,Melanie,tori Amos Christine perry