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Utter utter disaster every time.
I have probably put 1 shelf up in my life that was both sturdy and didn't have massive gaping holes and bodged wall plugs flattened and needed extra wedging.
I always start with a small bit too but it always goes wrong....how the hell do you do this?
I have probably put 1 shelf up in my life that was both sturdy and didn't have massive gaping holes and bodged wall plugs flattened and needed extra wedging.
I always start with a small bit too but it always goes wrong....how the hell do you do this?
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powerful drill - hammer on - man muscles...
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Are you Frank Spencer by any chance
 Have a look on video Jug http://www.videojug.com/ good luck |
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The only thing that might be a problem for you, is if the walls are in fact very hard brick, as opposed to block work.
What can happen here is that the drill just bounces on the brick, before you get a clean entry, and hence your oversize and misaligned holes. If your plugs are flattened you simply didn't go in deep enough! Always check the hole depth before putting in a plug. If the walls are "breeze block", which was widely used from the fifties, to perhaps the early eighties, they are too "crumbly" to get a clean fixing every time. Also make sure you are using the correct type of plug for the job, as there are lots of them with different features. |
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The drill just might not have the umph, it's a cordless but has a hammer action, probs 550w
It hits the inner wall and just slides hence the plaster crumbles away. The bits arnt the best, they were part of a massive set I got, but I've never used the masonry ones before so should still go through. To make matters worse I cut down the plugs and went with too shallow a hole last night, the shelf came down ripping half the fooooking wall out with it. |
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Yeah, well they do say a poor workman blames his tools but you can only work with what you have!
One thing I do have, additionally to three drills is what is known as a "Rawl Hammer". You just first of all make a small hole through the plaster as a guide and then go in with this tool tapping with a hammer and twisting it as you go and you get a clean hole that you may then open up with your drill. I have a "De-Walt" 24volt hammer drill that is dedicated for masonry. Worth investing in good tools as they will serve you well for many years. |
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Sorry peeps I'm a f ucknut.
I just charged the drill right up and turned the dial to 21 (that dial never seemed to do much to me) as well as have the torque on 3 and hammer mode.......and it went through like it was butter  |
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Keep the drill away from your head is my advice. Those masonry bits will go through most things (not steel) including thick bone.
HTH |
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Are you having trouble with the hand shake?
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It's one of these fancy dan drills with all these modes and function etc.
I read the manual when I got it but have only used it for drilling into wood so forgot what all the levels were. After simply banging everything to max it turned into a different beastie altogether and made light work of the masonry. |
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Always dubious about drilling into walls, I don't have one of those cable or pipe finders so think at any second there's going to be an explosion as I hit the gas or something.
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The bloke who came to fit my Sky couldn't be bothered to get his detector out the van and went straight into the gas pipe. He spent the day explaining to the emergency gas man and his boss what he had done and then he had to come back and replaster and paint the room
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Hammered a nail into a gas pipe ,that could not have been there ,thankfully I heard it hissing ,had the nail gone right in an
partially sealed the hole  there would have followed a build up of gas in the wall until one day a massive explosion taking out the front of my house and probably anyone inside  ..I had looked at the gas pipe outside which appeared to go under the house  |
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dustybin
11 Aug 14 11:11 Joined: 29 Dec 08 | Topic/replies: 8,616 | Blogger: dustybin's blog The drill just might not have the umph, it's a cordless but has a hammer action, probs 550w It hits the inner wall and just slides hence the plaster crumbles away. The bits arnt the best, they were part of a massive set I got, but I've never used the masonry ones before so should still go through. To make matters worse I cut down the plugs and went with too shallow a hole last night, the shelf came down ripping half the fooooking wall out with it. Fantastic |
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so half of chit chat are drilling and hammering into gas pipes no wonder this place has died down in recent years
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dusty ,reading the manual when you got the drill was a schoolboy error .That gaff is the root of your problems.Avoid manuals,instructions or helpful advice.Every self respecting DIYer knows trial and error is the only way.
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Masonry drills come in different grades.
The cheap ones won't go into hard brick. Even some of the dearer ones aren't up to the job sometimes. You need to drill a smaller hole first then open it up to the correct size. Keep stopping and dipping the drill in cold water. Don't let it get hot or it will lose its edge. Screwfix sell some good quality drill bits. |
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I never ever heard of a gas pipe, sunk into an internal wall, in all of my 43 years!
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to make sure you drill into the wall deep enough put the plug along side the drill bit. Where the plug ends wrap a piece of electrical tape around the bit and that will show you roughly how far you need to go into the wall.
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^ yep
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The plug needs to go in flush with the surface of the brick.
That means right through the plaster. Plaster provides very little support for the plug and screw so if you don't get the plug right into the brick it's liable to come out. Drill beyond the depth of the plug to allow the screw to go right in. If you fail to do observe these rules you'll have the lot come down when you load the shelves. |
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Screw needs to be right size for plug.
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get 6 inch nails and hammering the fkcer in cant go wrong
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My advice is to try and drill a hole in the wall directly above a light swith or electrical socket. But best to get somebody you don't much like to do it - and don't hold their hand when they do it.
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make sure the main electric power switch is up and you will have no problems
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otherwise you could damage cables
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For safety's sake, always use drill bit with an insulated (preferably industrial grade rubber) tip. Don't take risks, and if you're on a ladder, best to wear wellington boots.
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So this is what you get up to down the lodge, eh?
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It might sound obvious, but have you tried taking a longer run up?
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put masonary drill in drill.
set drill to hammer mode. drill hole into brick a bit deeper that the plug never hammer the plug into wall - go deeper or pick a bigger drill if the screw feels loose in the plug i.e plug moving around, use a bigger screw to get more bite. |
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have you tried one of them shelf help books?
You know like dealing with stress for dummies, or psychoanalysis for beginners? |
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It turned out to be a piece of p1ss, could swing off it.
It was all about getting the correct speed of the complicated drill and it went through easily. |