Isis beheading Christian children in the streets. (cns news)

and people shouldnt have a go at ebul hes possibly the most peace-loving person on here!

On that basis we'd never do anything again.
Everything based on its own merit. Yes contrived western societies made a rod for their own back, does that mean there will never be a position that the west have to take in the future then as a result?

I suspect you are suggesting that what's happening in Iraq is fabrication and that whoever were responsible for Isis gaining a foothold shouldn't worry because it's all been photoshopped?

Tony ,which political system would you suggest is used to replace western democracy which you apparently disdain?

moisok  • August 11, 2014 11:08 AM BST 
You and your anti israeli friends are part of the problem.  Attitudes like yours from guardianista land shows weakness and only encourages terrorist islamists.

I am inclined to disagree I think it us killing Muslims which encourages terrorism

Also why has parliament not been recalled to see what and if we can do anything
We are giving humanitarian aid......but we could offer more protection to the Yazidi Christians ad Kurds
yet we are reluctant

This is the same Cameron who wanted us to attack Assad in Syria

His policy seem to be attack and kill Muslims but we can't intervene to protect anyone
what sort of policy is that?

On a humanitarian level I cannot agree with this policy

The whole trouble with all of this..is that out government are never truthful with us
their real motives are hidden from us...which we all have to guess(unless you are soft enough to believe them)

Now the cold war with Russia has been officially restarted(god knows why??)
We may have calculated we actually need Isis believe it or not

I wish we would just keep things simple, and stick to the moral high ground
but our politicians will never do it

the muslim fighters are flexing their muscles everywhere or had you not noticed ebul

don't obfuscate by wandering off into the politics of who to blame!!

they are killing so many it makes gaza look like a tea party

your obsessing and apparent siding with the critics and opponents of Israel only emboldens these muslims

if muslims think this is the response of the west then no wonder they feel further empowered

i don't advocate any 'political' system because they're all - without exception - immoral and self centred, and as for western democracy, there is no democracy. Not as far as u s foreign policy is concerned. They have proved themselves over and over to be totally corrupt and have been ever since they dropped an atom bomb on innocent people.
However...as I keep mentioning, the real worry comes from those who really decide world affairs,because they want a decrease in world population.

Thanks for your reply Tony.

Who are these people who really decide world affairs?

masonic, bankers, some politicians, catholic church, more or less the rich and powerful.

Tony a bit vague mate .

Not as far as u s foreign policy is concerned. They have proved themselves over and over to be totally corrupt


Yup. How many Latin American right wing revolutions have the CIA fostered - against democratically elected govts?

masonic,

Oops, just when I thought Tony was talking sense.

course most of the powers that be have masonic backgrounds, alias!!as mentioned read up on albert pike, 3 planned world wars etc.

If the whole world were to substitue 'CIVILIZATION'  in place of  'DEMOCRACY' - would it make a difference?

Is it just coincidence that Islamic State is beheading christian children just outside the city where Chevron and Exxon have HQ. Its the humanitarian prevention of genocide that  caused the US to step in again after such a long absence

Even americans are seeing though it
.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/oil-erbil
.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/why-we-did-it-part-1-us-thirsty-for-energy-184918083750

*Even americans are seeing through it...

We should not be calling them the name they want, "Islamic State"

Maybe "Scum State"....has a better ring to it.

Yes how did they get "rebranded" fascist state would be just as apt

Uncivilized State - Barbaric State - Murdrous State - I personally would rather it was a 'Heathen State'.

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course most of the powers that be have masonic backgrounds, alias!!as mentioned read up on albert pike, 3 planned world wars etc.

What about Hitler? he planned a bit of a skirmish, but hated Freemasons and grouped them with Jews and Bolsheviks. I doubt if any of the Japanese top brass in the 1940s were masons. Francisco Franco was another murdering military fascist who hated masons.
Albert Pike? So what? Millions of men have been masons, including geniuses who gave so much to the world, such as Robert Burns and Wolfgang Mozart, Darwin and Newton. Don't let common sense stop you though, carry on and make an arse of yourself if you wish.

Pub near me 'Live and Let Live'.......my Mother was always reminding me.

You had to get her take outs?

Never ever! - she's dead now anyway.

world view

Why not withdraw totally from the middle east and let them sort out their grievances.By all means sell the Saudis ,Israel and Jordan the latest weapons but no troops on the ground.All hell will break out however that's not our fault and ultimately the Saudis,Iran and Israel will emerge at the top of the pile.

Chairman Mao, Stalin, Paul Pot, a few that didn'tcross Alias's mind..athough
Franco did for some reason.

NO, I agree lfc1971. None of them were Freemasons either, and all were nutcases. Have you missed the gist?

Is Franco a hero of yours?

Have you figured out any of the good stuff from the Islamic/Arab world yet?

Children are innocent............

Children are innocent............

very profound!

Innocent - as in 'NOT GUILTY'.....understand?

You know what should happen? so called moderate muslims should be marching in London against this being done in their name.

  You never hear a condemnation,why?

I heard one father from Crawley backing his son for joining these groups.

Where have they all come from? Who is supplying them, etc etc?

*cough* saudis *cough*

I'm prepared to believe that, but this is a large, fast moving guerrilla army. Logistically, it's some exercise.

thought its over spill from Syria, tooled up by west/saudis bit of practice against Assad, then thought fook this Iraq is ripe for the taking just over there --->

Heavy weapons etc captured,lots of other vehicles moving swiftly. That takes a lot of fuel and a lot of organising. Somebody is working it AND making piles of cash. Bastids.

AH  I have asked that question and the apologists never give a coherent  response .

I believe that the British public has been conditioned by the left wing media that criticism of Islam is racist .

So called moderate Muslims like members of all cults    are told that criticism of their cult is unacceptable and will lead to retribution.

dewey    11 Aug 14 20:22 
Pub near me 'Live and Let Live'.......my Mother was always reminding me.

Not the one in Forest Gate?

when it is israel they are all over it - the apologists on here the guardian and the rest
meanwhile, everywhere muslims are killing thousands more that the little scuffle with terrorists in gaza - and what comment was there - far too busy laying into israel defending itself

they trust no one and I don't blame them

call me a taxi - No - Somerset.

Meanwhile in Jeddah,  Saudi Arabia told Israel on Tuesday that it must reach a peace agreement with the Palestinians if it is to survive as a nation, and criticised Muslims for being divided and failing to stop Israel attacking its Arab neighbour

"Israel has to realize that peace is the only solution forits survival," Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal told a meeting of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), the

world's largest Muslim body, on the situation in the Gaza Strip

"As we see, Israel does not shy away from taking its terror to any level, with total disregard to any laws, rules, religious edicts or humanitarian considerations to achieve its goals

"Its only objective is to uproot the Palestinian existence wherever it is," Prince Saud told the meeting in Jeddah, attended by Palestinian Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah and ministers from the 56-member OIC.
[Reuters]



[Reuters]

^^ Why don't you fack off to Gaza and fight.

Isis = Vermin = Exterminate

Irish, you're on dodgy ground with the house of Saud. A more devious, corrupt bunch of ****s you'd be hard pressed to find on this earth.

Warning..Very Graphic Images


http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/suffer-the-little-children-of-gaza/

Hey now im no mate of the house of Saud, they would whip your hands off and your tongue out before breakfast.

Just threw that out there out of interest when I saw the Sauds mentioned.

They don't normally say too much about Israel , it seemed a bit unusual.

Crikey - very graphic is right - don't look if squeamish

The Shujayea Massacre

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2014/2014/07/shujayea-mass...

Good news ..we are sending three tornado aircraft for humanitarian efforts
and we may even consider a "small numer" of Chinook helicopters.

You contrast this with what we sent to Iraq for invasion, Afghanistan, and even to attack Libya
rather more than this I feel.

That tells me where our priorities lie.

We so much prefer killing Muslims to helping them

arn't I clever

if only

Weapons of Mass destruction ,We send the lot ,mass murder being carried out by an Army of 40,000 lunatics we send nothing ,
SEND IN THE BOMBERS WIPE THE VERMIN OUT ,JOB DONE !

oh you have turned the argument round on me case
oh dear

If it were only Isis, I may agree case, but unfortunately since I know we would kill lots of ordinary
Sunni Muslims I cant

But I think we can seal the Christians and Kurds off from them..be it with air and/or ground forces,
that I approve

Also of course because Christian countries have attacked Muslim countries, and killed a fair number of Muslims,
Christians in these country will become a target, also happening in Pakistan.
As always i war a lot of innocents suffer and die.
Why I do not approve of it...except in DEFENCE...we never attack another country.

It is disappointing to me to see our own society adopting  this approach.

Although I do believe we have a right to prevent genocide, but little else.

I know the Live and Let Live pub at Blagdon, dave, as I used to live in Cheddar. Small World

this attacking other countries approach, that is what disappoints me

Also the US writing in its foreign policy as it did in the early 90's
bring down Iraq.....I regard that as an undeclared declaration  of war...and I doubt that Iraq
is the only name on the list

This is arrogance, and possible megalomania.

these vice news reports are worth watching
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsCZzpmbEcs

"I stick by my figures."

indeed alias, where would the the world be if people didn't blindly stick to their own self generated belief, despite obvious fact and logic.

There is a type of person who if you say something slightly unusual or differing from
their world view or set of beliefs you will see a look of  concern come over their face.
They are confused and become adutated and may even resort to violence.
Alias has an almost uncanny ability not to understand a differing viewpoint. It is not
a case of dissagreeing but a complete inability to grasp the meaning.

case you should sign up for employment with the c i a - you'd fit in perfectly.Gung ho!!usa usa1 usa usa!

Alias has an almost uncanny ability not to understand a differing viewpoint. It is not
a case of dissagreeing but a complete inability to grasp the meaning.


Says the poster who believes nothing of note or good or any value has ever come from Islamic countries or culture.

lfc, once again, are you a fan of FRANCO?

Polybot, you have completely failed to recognise the gist of my post regarding forced conversion, preferring instead to split hairs and launch another of your inane, insulting blurtings for its own sake.

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Chairman Mao, Stalin, Paul Pot, a few that didn'tcross Alias's mind..athough
Franco did for some reason.

The reason being he was a mass murderer. Political executions took place in Spain as late as 1969, 30 years after the end of the civil war. I happen to have a close affinity with Spain, so is that OK?

Oh, lfc1971. Please tell us the meaning of "adutate".

One should never criticise spelling in arguments or debate.
They will always come unstuck sooner or later, then look rather silly when I spot them.

Isn't the meaning of his post obvious alias? It happens all the time on the politics forum. People sobbing because a bad baastard like Pinochet murdered a few thousand and totally oblivious to the suffering of tens of millions under people like Stalin and Mao. Dozens upon dozens of breast beating posts about Israel/Palestine and yet you have to drag any opinion from them about some of the many other conflicts which go on around the world.

It's a bit daft in my view to see the world in terms of left and right wings but if you do then you will leave yourself open to accusations of hypocrisy if you only criticise right wing murdering baastards. The left have killed plenty more.

Thanks Eo, you have understood...that is my point about soeone critizing spelling but completely blind to meaning

If I recall he mentioned Hitler, The Japanese generals and Franco! not even castro.

That would be fine but alais takes if further by implying the japanese generals were
not members of the masonic lodge..silly billy :-)

Of course before christianity in S. America their preferred form of religion included human sacrifice, but
I am sure alais will have factored this in before critizing the european powers.

maybe it was part of their culture and therefore acceptable.

Perhaps you missed the post below in answer to your point about Stalin etc. Here it is again. Did you conveniently miss it lfc1971, or are you just stupid?

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NO, I agree lfc1971. None of them were Freemasons either, and all were nutcases. Have you missed the gist?

Is Franco a hero of yours?

Have you figured out any of the good stuff from the Islamic/Arab world yet?
.....................................................................................................................................

In case you don't understand: YES, Stalin, Pol Pot etc were murdering nutters. OK? Now, lfc, answer please, are you a fan of Franco? You seem very irritated that I mentioned him.

I give up.

lfc1971
lfc1971 13 Aug 14 16:28 Joined: 06 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 3,641 | Blogger: lfc1971's blog
maybe it was part of their culture and therefore acceptable.

Are you saying that because the Aztecs et al performed human sacrifice, that it was OK for the conquistadors to turn up and maim and murder and force conversion to Christianity? Because the N American indians weren't so technologically advanced as Europe, was it OK to kill them and steal their land and slaughter the buffalo, thus causing mass starvation?

Just as well, you've confused yourself enough.

Alias seems very angry. Maybe Bito could start a naked group hug therapy group. That might help.

I'm perfectly calm Eo, but if you or anyone else can explain lfc1971's posts to me, I'd be so grateful.

A Special Forces team flew to the mountain and found fewer people than expected, and those remaining were also in a better condition than feared, the Pentagon said.

sounds like WMD. Create a scare to justify some action. Looks like the actions are no longer needed so downgrade the scare

Alias google 'sockpuppets'

Alias
13 Aug 14 16:59   
Because the N American indians weren't so technologically advanced as Europe, was it OK to kill them and steal their land and slaughter the buffalo, thus causing mass starvation?

HISTORICAL OBJECTION
Buffalo Bill never killed a single buffalo. There were none in America, he killed plenty of bison though.

Fine cmat. The beast is popularly known as buffalo, nevertheless. W F Cody reportedly shot c 5,000.

I'm aware of the term, brendan.

indeed alias, where would the the world be if people didn't blindly stick to their own self generated belief, despite obvious fact and logic. Laugh

probably a better place than we are now polybot
But of course that also applies to ourselves!

you can't always blame the other guy, or we stay were our now

The destruction of the bison/buffalo had a great affect on the indigenous Indian population
this was was their main food source

The sad reality was their land was just tempting for us whites
"We cannot leave it to these savages" we thought...The whites broke every treaty we had with the Indians.
Finally Tecumseh Sherman (of marching through Georgia infamy) was tasked with bringing all Indian tribes
of the mid west onto reservations

He actually expressed some sympathy for the Indian cause, but as he far as he was concerned it had to be done.
A highly gifted commander, but he never shirked from being ruthless when necessary

The Apaches were the last to come in, they had little choice.

Sheridan did most of the ground work in the Indian wars....Sherman just oversaw it all

We needed the land for our cattle, this was big business, so basically the bison/buffalo had to go

The Apaches being more to S.West held out longer, because the more rocky suited terrain them.
But in the end it was their undoing, because of the bright Sun. The Cavalry started using mirrors as the Indians
did themselves to communicate over distance, enabling them to coordinate their attacks better.

They had to finally come into their reservations.

ebul, see PM

Americans !

I see this lake is now "possible weapon of mass destruction, in the wrong hands"

Are you  sure this not about footy rivalry
as some from Manchester fighting for one side
some from Leeds fighting for the other.

"They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they never kept but one; they promised to take our land, and they did". RED CLOUD

"If the white man wants to live in peace with the Indian, he can live in peace. Treat all men alike. Give them all the same law. Give them all an even chance to live and grow". CHIEF JOSEPH

"If the Great Spirit had desired me to be a white man he would have made me so in the first place. He put in your heart certain wishes and plans, and in my heart he put other and different desires. It is not necessary for eagles to be crows". SITTING BULL

"All we wanted was peace and to be left alone. Soldiers came and destroyed our villages. Then Long Hair came... They say we massacred him, but he would have done the same to us. Our first impulse was to escape but we were so hemmed in we had to fight". CRAZY HORSE

yes indeed mightymac

We would make a treaty, the white settlers ignored it and moved onto their land anyway
The Native Americans attacked them in defence of their territory, the settlers would make a plea to government "protect us"
in came the cavalry

an appalling injustice the modern US ignores and forgets

although I notice it is very quick to condemn others

It was a different time though...the British Empire did the same

Now the US is filled up, it seems to regard the rest of the world rather like the Native Americans does it not?????

so perhaps we have not moved on as much as we claim

tmm, I don't know how many times I've read those quotes. Amazingly articulate, many of the Indian leaders.

Yes mate. highly intelligent human beings with great wisdom, philosophy and attitude towards life and nature. We know who the savages were and it wasn`t the native Americans.

“Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.


- Cree prophecy.

“Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.

thing is -it can !

The myth of the peaceful noble savage is just that, a myth. The native Americans were massacuring and at war with each other long before the first europeans.The number of skeletons found from these times with
axe marks or arrowhead suggest that they wer ee far more violent even than europeans at the time.
Tribes fought against tribes and the pholosopher Thomas Hobbes seems closer to the truth when he called
it an era of all against all.

Of course they were territorial and defended their territories against other enemy tribes, just like we would defend our house and families too. White man speaks with forked tongue.

What happened to the native Americans was nothing less than genocide.

One day, a far advanced species of Aliens from outer space will land on Earth and we will be deemed the primitive savages. We can only hope and pray that they will be more civilised and compassionate towards us than we were to the native Americans.

Contact with aliens is extremely unlikely.

Ask northernlad aka the black flag waving muslim lover, Irish_Celtic

Have you seen his alien thread on the politics forum?

Nutter is putting it mildly

looks like northern liar's friends are on the run!!!

lfc1971 20 Aug 14 00:30 Joined: 06 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 3,671 | Blogger: lfc1971's blog
Contact with aliens is extremely unlikely.


They better hope they don't bump into you or they'll be lining up to be sectioned within five minutes.