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current affairs in Portugal by journalist and author Len Port.
Amaral hits back at McCanns’ claims
Gonçalo Amaral insists that the lawfulness of his book Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira is “indisputable” and has reiterated that he may file a counter lawsuit against Kate and Gerry McCann.
The lead detective in the original investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann revealed this in a Facebook message to supporters in which he gave an assessment of his position on the current libel action brought against him by the McCanns.
Mr Amaral said he was considering seeking compensation from the McCanns and others for the enormous damages he claims they have caused him on different levels.
Both Kate and Gerry McCann were allowed to address the court in Lisbon’s Palace of Justice a fortnight before the long-running trial was adjourned yet again. The suspension meant that closing arguments on behalf of Mr Amaral could not be heard before the court went into summer recess.
In his Facebook statement, Mr Amaral began by saying: “Upon reading the news about the most recent trial session, I am certain that the vast majority of journalists don’t know what is being discussed in court, and have not reported correctly.”
He went on to itemise what he sees as being at stake in the trial.
The court must decide whether writing the book was a lawful or unlawful action, whether or not the McCanns have suffered damages and whether or not there are facts to prove it. Also at stake is whether or not it is possible to establish a causal nexus between the book and such damages, he said.
He insisted that the lawfulness of the book was indisputable because of a decision of the Appellate Court in Lisbon, which overturned an earlier ruling banning the book.
“With proof of the lawfulness of the book, the matter should rest here, without the need to investigate anything further, namely concerning the damages that the plaintiffs complain about,” he said.
“Nonetheless, we should note that even if the lawfulness may still be at stake, there is still the need to establish a causal nexus between the publication and the damages that the plaintiffs complain about, such as deep depression, social isolation, etc. And, of course, to prove that said damages, no matter where they originate from, really exist.”
Mr Amaral continued: “Concerning the social part, it seems obvious to me, if we pay attention to the countless social events that the plaintiffs have participated in, including speeches at the British Parliament, interviews on television shows like Oprah Winfrey’s, gala dinners with illustrious personalities, namely British, among others, that said social isolation is totally false.
“Concerning the depressions, although they are in no way proved within the case, in my opinion, in fact it would be very strange if they didn’t exist. The disappearance of a daughter, whether she is dead or alive, whether or not she was abducted, has to originate enormous consequences of that kind. How strange would it be if that wasn’t the case!
“But about this issue I won’t say anything further, given that the plaintiffs seem to attribute to me and my book all of their pain, as if said disappearance, followed by their arguido status and other circumstances that surround the case, were of no importance, or weren’t more than enough!”
Mr Amaral blamed the latest postponement of the case on “clearly dilatory manoeuvres” on the part of the McCanns. He wants the case to finish as soon as possible, he said, but fears it will drag on for a long time, exacerbated by a scheduled reorganisation within the judicial system in September following the end of the summer recess.
Despite this, “my trust in Portuguese justice remains steadfast,” Mr Amaral said.
In thanking those who have supported him, he said it would have been impossible to fight the McCann’s libel action without them.
Towards the end of his statement, he revealed that he is considering filing a lawsuit against the McCann couple and others, “in order to be compensated for the enormous damages that they have caused me already, on all levels, such as moral, professional and financial.”
Mr Amaral concluded: “The time to judicially react to all those who have put my privacy, my intimacy, my freedom of expression and opinion, and my survival conditions at stake is approaching.
“They have tried to assassinate me civilly, but due to the support and solidarity of all of you, they were not successful.”
Amaral hits back at McCanns’ claims
Gonçalo Amaral insists that the lawfulness of his book Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira is “indisputable” and has reiterated that he may file a counter lawsuit against Kate and Gerry McCann.
The lead detective in the original investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann revealed this in a Facebook message to supporters in which he gave an assessment of his position on the current libel action brought against him by the McCanns.
Mr Amaral said he was considering seeking compensation from the McCanns and others for the enormous damages he claims they have caused him on different levels.
Both Kate and Gerry McCann were allowed to address the court in Lisbon’s Palace of Justice a fortnight before the long-running trial was adjourned yet again. The suspension meant that closing arguments on behalf of Mr Amaral could not be heard before the court went into summer recess.
In his Facebook statement, Mr Amaral began by saying: “Upon reading the news about the most recent trial session, I am certain that the vast majority of journalists don’t know what is being discussed in court, and have not reported correctly.”
He went on to itemise what he sees as being at stake in the trial.
The court must decide whether writing the book was a lawful or unlawful action, whether or not the McCanns have suffered damages and whether or not there are facts to prove it. Also at stake is whether or not it is possible to establish a causal nexus between the book and such damages, he said.
He insisted that the lawfulness of the book was indisputable because of a decision of the Appellate Court in Lisbon, which overturned an earlier ruling banning the book.
“With proof of the lawfulness of the book, the matter should rest here, without the need to investigate anything further, namely concerning the damages that the plaintiffs complain about,” he said.
“Nonetheless, we should note that even if the lawfulness may still be at stake, there is still the need to establish a causal nexus between the publication and the damages that the plaintiffs complain about, such as deep depression, social isolation, etc. And, of course, to prove that said damages, no matter where they originate from, really exist.”
Mr Amaral continued: “Concerning the social part, it seems obvious to me, if we pay attention to the countless social events that the plaintiffs have participated in, including speeches at the British Parliament, interviews on television shows like Oprah Winfrey’s, gala dinners with illustrious personalities, namely British, among others, that said social isolation is totally false.
“Concerning the depressions, although they are in no way proved within the case, in my opinion, in fact it would be very strange if they didn’t exist. The disappearance of a daughter, whether she is dead or alive, whether or not she was abducted, has to originate enormous consequences of that kind. How strange would it be if that wasn’t the case!
“But about this issue I won’t say anything further, given that the plaintiffs seem to attribute to me and my book all of their pain, as if said disappearance, followed by their arguido status and other circumstances that surround the case, were of no importance, or weren’t more than enough!”
Mr Amaral blamed the latest postponement of the case on “clearly dilatory manoeuvres” on the part of the McCanns. He wants the case to finish as soon as possible, he said, but fears it will drag on for a long time, exacerbated by a scheduled reorganisation within the judicial system in September following the end of the summer recess.
Despite this, “my trust in Portuguese justice remains steadfast,” Mr Amaral said.
In thanking those who have supported him, he said it would have been impossible to fight the McCann’s libel action without them.
Towards the end of his statement, he revealed that he is considering filing a lawsuit against the McCann couple and others, “in order to be compensated for the enormous damages that they have caused me already, on all levels, such as moral, professional and financial.”
Mr Amaral concluded: “The time to judicially react to all those who have put my privacy, my intimacy, my freedom of expression and opinion, and my survival conditions at stake is approaching.
“They have tried to assassinate me civilly, but due to the support and solidarity of all of you, they were not successful.”
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If I recall correctly, the way this guy chose to word the allegations in his documentary was scandalous and plain dumb.
I hope they bankrupt the fecker.
I hope they bankrupt the fecker.
no, because he's an opportunistic chancer jumping on the let's-bash-the-mccanns gravy train, utter twunt
Social Services should have bashed the McCanns.
They put Maddie and her siblings at risk by leaving them unattended night after night. Selfish b*st*rds.
They put Maddie and her siblings at risk by leaving them unattended night after night. Selfish b*st*rds.
Amaral and his colleagues on the case believed Maddie died in the apartment following a fall and the death was covered up
lol, usual chit chat know nothings.
google amaral torture about the cipriano case.
google amaral torture about the cipriano case.
He has caused immense damage to the investigations. He is still attempting to continue. He has tried, quite successfully, to convince many people (particularly the local Portuguese) that HIS version of what happened is fact. It is NOT fact at the present time...it is a theory. A theory born in the mind of a vindictive, unprofessional police officer. He failed to conduct a proper investigation because he took a guess at what had happened and then failed to produce any supporting evidence.
It may well transpire that his theory was correct. It may also transpire that he was not. But even if he WAS correct, it was down to guesswork and nothing else. He must have been watching too much Columbo.
Personally, I think he was clueless(!). He closed his mind to any other possibilities and ended up with nothing to take to court.
And he is STILL insisting hat HIS version is true! STILL without evidence. It's no wonder that they are pi$$ed off with him.
It may well transpire that his theory was correct. It may also transpire that he was not. But even if he WAS correct, it was down to guesswork and nothing else. He must have been watching too much Columbo.
Personally, I think he was clueless(!). He closed his mind to any other possibilities and ended up with nothing to take to court.
And he is STILL insisting hat HIS version is true! STILL without evidence. It's no wonder that they are pi$$ed off with him.
Have not hear anything from our plod for a while,
They must be enjoying this weather at the moment, a few days in the sun
They must be enjoying this weather at the moment, a few days in the sun
They would probably enjoy it more if they were on holiday.
uk police are hoping they are raking in overseas overtime
when they release phot fit,granny maddie
when they release phot fit,granny maddie
he,s still insisting his story is true without any evidence ,far more evidence to his scenario than any evidence to back up the maccans abduction theory, 
There is zero evidence that Madeleine was abducted.
It appears the McCanns and their friends have very cleverly manipulated the media into swallowing this line hook, line and sinker.
Plod love it as well as it means limitless jollies and overtime to conduct new lines of enquiry and the occasional search.
It appears the McCanns and their friends have very cleverly manipulated the media into swallowing this line hook, line and sinker.
Plod love it as well as it means limitless jollies and overtime to conduct new lines of enquiry and the occasional search.
The one thing the Met have done is eliminate the man the McCanns have always insisted was the abductor, seen carrying a child that evening.
the only reason for the lack of evidence has been the total ineptitude of the Portuguese police.
very strange case and very hard to believe that the family had anything to do with it apart from the alleged reaction of the sniffer dogs in the apartment which points the finger towards them
Why do you think it is hard to believe the family had anything to do with it GAZO?
because them and most of there friends would have to be involved and its difficult to imagine none of them cracking or leaving some evidence
whoever abducted her or hid her body done a very good job in leaving no traces, it's plausible either way, abduction, or accidental death, what someone believes is irrelevant without concrete proof, people have been in prison years on so called "sufficient evidence" and then later realised on appeal, take the amanda knox case for example, but unless it's beyond all doubt then I find it hard personally to say outright, "yes it was definitely them" but IMO, if they did accidently kill her, was it really worth the aggro not to just "we overdosed her to get too sleep and used to much anaesthetic" (as some suspect) one takes the blame, probably gerry and take a short prison sentence considering it was negligence rather than premeditated murder, rather than spend the next 7 whole years and then some on organising an intense propaganda machine by pulling the entire UK's media's strings? they get in the spotlight every chance they get, and look thoroughly worn out with it, you'd think if they were guilty they'd want much less publicity not more, you could say well they're keeping the lie going so people don't suspect and ask "why are they not doing anything" but remember they have one way or another still lost a 3 year old daughter, after that you'd think they'd just want to grieve properly instead of all this
If they are guilty of a huge cover up, they have done an unbelievable job, but always remember peados do and will always will kidnap, unfortunately the Portuguese completely screwed up the initial response at the crime scene, I'm pretty sure the UK police would have got to the bottom of it by now if this had happened in the UK, one theory is the Portuguese establishment have many paedo infiltrators who were in on it, and botched the investigative as a cover up. There is stuff on paedo Portuguese place in articles online, may have been taken down now though.
Will never know unless she is found dead or alive.
If they are guilty of a huge cover up, they have done an unbelievable job, but always remember peados do and will always will kidnap, unfortunately the Portuguese completely screwed up the initial response at the crime scene, I'm pretty sure the UK police would have got to the bottom of it by now if this had happened in the UK, one theory is the Portuguese establishment have many paedo infiltrators who were in on it, and botched the investigative as a cover up. There is stuff on paedo Portuguese place in articles online, may have been taken down now though.
Will never know unless she is found dead or alive.
if the maccans were involved theyve done no greater job than the real perpetrators, if they wernt involved
curious-cat • August 3, 2014 4:25 PM BST
the only reason for the lack of evidence has been the total ineptitude of the Portuguese police.
that may or may not be so, but there was very little co operation from the McCans was there?
Also since our plod have been out there, I think it must be 4 years now, what exactly do they have to show for it?
How much thinking is required???, there is only finite number of options
I do not think even Sherlock Holmes sat in his chair smoking his pipe and thinking for 4 years about a case?
one theory is the Portuguese establishment have many paedo infiltrators who were in on it
that is real evidence isn't it...ffs!
the only reason for the lack of evidence has been the total ineptitude of the Portuguese police.
that may or may not be so, but there was very little co operation from the McCans was there?
Also since our plod have been out there, I think it must be 4 years now, what exactly do they have to show for it?
How much thinking is required???, there is only finite number of options
I do not think even Sherlock Holmes sat in his chair smoking his pipe and thinking for 4 years about a case?
one theory is the Portuguese establishment have many paedo infiltrators who were in on it
that is real evidence isn't it...ffs!
sadly sometimes there is not enough evidence to close a case
The lack of co operation does not necessarily prove their guilt, they may have been worried about child
neglect charges
I believe they were guilty of these, because they were leaving Maddie every night, not just the one night
There was plenty of evidence from other people at the hotel to this, although it was not proved in court I accept
I believe it though
What happened to her still baffles me, an abductor is possible, the McCans, what did they do with body if they did
it?
All conspiracy theory are open
although claiming the Portuguese police themselves did it, does not seem very likely to me????????????????
neglect charges
I believe they were guilty of these, because they were leaving Maddie every night, not just the one night
There was plenty of evidence from other people at the hotel to this, although it was not proved in court I accept
I believe it though
What happened to her still baffles me, an abductor is possible, the McCans, what did they do with body if they did
it?
All conspiracy theory are open
although claiming the Portuguese police themselves did it, does not seem very likely to me????????????????
.......... and this appears to be the case here ebul. Sad as you say.
The only certainty is that the mccanns selfishness placed their kids in danger.
If Maddie was abducted they made it easy for the abductor(s).
The only certainty is that the mccanns selfishness placed their kids in danger.
If Maddie was abducted they made it easy for the abductor(s).
Dont REALLY want this thread to regurgitate all the old arguments do we :(
No, not really. Other than the mccanns placed their kids in danger everything else is just speculation by amateur sleuths.
We have plenty of amateur sleuths on here
I would say the dogs evidence, a death in the apartment, body must have lain there at for least one hour, would make the McCans guilty
But this is not enough on its own...because of the possibility of a mistake by the dogs....and of course they cannot
be cross examined in court..because they are dogs.
I think Portiguese police accepted this and tried to find other evidence to implicate the McCanns but failed.
The McCanns complaint, is that by doing this, the Portuguese police did not look anything like hard
enough for an abductor. Hence this libel case.
I doubt whether this case can be solved except by a stroke of luck now.
If there was any evidence to definitively prove what happened, I think it would have been found by now.
Amateur Detective
I would say the dogs evidence, a death in the apartment, body must have lain there at for least one hour, would make the McCans guilty
But this is not enough on its own...because of the possibility of a mistake by the dogs....and of course they cannot
be cross examined in court..because they are dogs.
I think Portiguese police accepted this and tried to find other evidence to implicate the McCanns but failed.
The McCanns complaint, is that by doing this, the Portuguese police did not look anything like hard
enough for an abductor. Hence this libel case.
I doubt whether this case can be solved except by a stroke of luck now.
If there was any evidence to definitively prove what happened, I think it would have been found by now.
Amateur Detective
because of the possibility of a mistake by the dogs....and of course they cannot
be cross examined in court..because they are dogs
Einstein reincarnated
be cross examined in court..because they are dogs
Einstein reincarnated
I don't believe the dogs lied
Somebody posted they would always wag their tail indicting yes just for a treat
but that would make them completely useless as sniffer dogs, they would be finding bodies all over the place
These dogs are intensively trained in both body and no body situations to only receive a treat when they give the right answer.
Their sense of smell is incredible...no machine can match it
Somebody posted they would always wag their tail indicting yes just for a treat
but that would make them completely useless as sniffer dogs, they would be finding bodies all over the place
These dogs are intensively trained in both body and no body situations to only receive a treat when they give the right answer.
Their sense of smell is incredible...no machine can match it
I still doubt that for anyone but the McCanns..our plod would not be out there
Whatever theories our plod went out there with never led to anything
But if it is just a couple of officers who would be paid here anyway, the cost may not be exorbitant
I think they have been left out there to carry on digging myself just in case they may turn up something
just my own opinion of course
Whatever theories our plod went out there with never led to anything
But if it is just a couple of officers who would be paid here anyway, the cost may not be exorbitant
I think they have been left out there to carry on digging myself just in case they may turn up something
just my own opinion of course
He failed to conduct a proper investigation because he took a guess at what had happened and then failed to produce any supporting evidence
They spent 2 months looking for abductors . Thye didn't go down the route of bringing in the dogs til July .
There is evidence supporting his theory ( what the dogs apparently came up with ) . You can dispute the validity of it , but it is evidence . There is seemingly no evidence of an abductor .
They spent 2 months looking for abductors . Thye didn't go down the route of bringing in the dogs til July .
There is evidence supporting his theory ( what the dogs apparently came up with ) . You can dispute the validity of it , but it is evidence . There is seemingly no evidence of an abductor .
You need to ask yourself why he presents his theory as a fact rather than as a theory.
waiter
"What we found really strange was Gerry, days after the little
girl disappeared, calmly playing tennis. He played with an old couple"
"What we found really strange was Gerry, days after the little
girl disappeared, calmly playing tennis. He played with an old couple"
So what did Mr Martin Grime’s cadaver dog and blood-hound find?
According to the official police summary report released in July this year - and confirmed by video evidence of the dogs in action in Praia da Luz, widely available on the Internet - Eddie, the cadaver dog, found the ‘smell of death’ in the following places. We quote the exact words of the report:
a) in the McCanns’ apartment, Apartment 5A, Eddie the cadaver the dog detected the scent of a human corpse (human cadaverine):
• in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, around a wardrobe, and
• in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the external window of the apartment.
Also, a ‘lighter’ scent of death was found in the flower beds in the back yard, near the foot of the steps leading down from the patio.
b) on family items of clothing, Eddie found the scent of a corpse as follows:
• on two items of Kate McCann’s clothing, and
• on one item of Madeleine’s clothing - a T-shirt.
According to the official police summary report released in July this year - and confirmed by video evidence of the dogs in action in Praia da Luz, widely available on the Internet - Eddie, the cadaver dog, found the ‘smell of death’ in the following places. We quote the exact words of the report:
a) in the McCanns’ apartment, Apartment 5A, Eddie the cadaver the dog detected the scent of a human corpse (human cadaverine):
• in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, around a wardrobe, and
• in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the external window of the apartment.
Also, a ‘lighter’ scent of death was found in the flower beds in the back yard, near the foot of the steps leading down from the patio.
b) on family items of clothing, Eddie found the scent of a corpse as follows:
• on two items of Kate McCann’s clothing, and
• on one item of Madeleine’s clothing - a T-shirt.
c) in addition, Eddie the cadaver dog was taken to the house that the McCanns rented, in a different part of Praia da Luz, after they left Apartment 5A. Eddie found cadaverine on what was said to be Madeleine’s favourite pink soft toy, ‘Cuddle Cat’, which Dr Kate McCann always had with her when being interviewed by the media - but which Eddie detected lying in an otherwise empty cupboard. Here it should be noted that, earlier, Eddie had found Cuddle Cat in the living room at the McCanns’ rented home, tossed it in the air, but not actually ‘marked’ it by barking. He later marked it when the police re-located it in the cupboard.
d) on top of all that, Eddie, sniffing the car from the outside only, detected cadaverine in the car the McCanns hired on 22nd May, less than three weeks after Madeleine ‘disappeared’ - a Renault Scenic:
• on the car key
• around the door of the front driver’s seat.
d) on top of all that, Eddie, sniffing the car from the outside only, detected cadaverine in the car the McCanns hired on 22nd May, less than three weeks after Madeleine ‘disappeared’ - a Renault Scenic:
• on the car key
• around the door of the front driver’s seat.
These findings, supported by other forensic evidence, show that a dead body must have begun to emit cadaverine in Apartment 5A - the McCanns’ apartment. That body must have lain dead in that apartment for at least 90 minutes, probably two hours or more. Once that ‘smell of death’ - cadaverine - had begun to be produced, it could then be transferred to other locations such as the hire car, Madeleine’s clothes, Dr Kate McCann’s clothes and Cuddle Cat.
That means that a corpse - that must have been dead for approximately two hours (in order for cadaverine to have been produced) - must have been in direct contact with all of these locations - floor, wardrobe, car, clothes etc. If the body had subsequently been moved, it would still emit cadaverine as it was decomposing. Meanwhile, Keela, the blood-hound, found the smell of blood - note, blood, not just ‘body fluids’:
a) in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the external window of the apartment (exactly where Eddie had found the scent of human cadaverine), and
b) in the McCanns’ hired Renault Scenic:
• on the car key
• in the interior of the car boot.
That means that a corpse - that must have been dead for approximately two hours (in order for cadaverine to have been produced) - must have been in direct contact with all of these locations - floor, wardrobe, car, clothes etc. If the body had subsequently been moved, it would still emit cadaverine as it was decomposing. Meanwhile, Keela, the blood-hound, found the smell of blood - note, blood, not just ‘body fluids’:
a) in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the external window of the apartment (exactly where Eddie had found the scent of human cadaverine), and
b) in the McCanns’ hired Renault Scenic:
• on the car key
• in the interior of the car boot.
We should note three very important things here. The dogs alerted to the smell of death/blood, separately, in exactly the same places in the apartment. Eddie the cadaver dog only alerted to the smell of death to the McCanns’ apartment, out of all the other ones he was taken to.
Similarly, the McCanns’ car was the only one in the car compound that Eddie alerted to. Let us be very clear about where the dogs’ evidence takes us. Records have been checked by the Portuguese police, going back years. No-one else has ever died in Apartment 5A. No-one else has ever died in the Renault Scenic. There was a dead body in Apartment 5A. There was a dead body in the Renault Scenic hired by the McCanns. That dead body could only be one individual - already dead - who could have been in both Apartment 5A and in the Renault Scenic
Similarly, the McCanns’ car was the only one in the car compound that Eddie alerted to. Let us be very clear about where the dogs’ evidence takes us. Records have been checked by the Portuguese police, going back years. No-one else has ever died in Apartment 5A. No-one else has ever died in the Renault Scenic. There was a dead body in Apartment 5A. There was a dead body in the Renault Scenic hired by the McCanns. That dead body could only be one individual - already dead - who could have been in both Apartment 5A and in the Renault Scenic
I don't know just showing you the report of what the dogs found.
The dogs alerted to the smell of death/blood, separately, in exactly the same places in the apartment. Eddie the cadaver dog only alerted to the smell of death to the McCanns’ apartment, out of all the other ones he was taken to.
I do think that's quite damming.
The dogs alerted to the smell of death/blood, separately, in exactly the same places in the apartment. Eddie the cadaver dog only alerted to the smell of death to the McCanns’ apartment, out of all the other ones he was taken to.
I do think that's quite damming.
Kate McCann acknowledged the smell of death on her clothing stating she wore the same clothes to work, as a doctor, as she did on her holidays.
Possible, but highly unlikely.
Possible, but highly unlikely.
if the dogs were used in a murder where the suspect worked in a hospital, morgue, etc would that be enough to make the evidence unusable
At least in drug searches, dogs are apparently frequently wrong.
They are wrong 80% of the time according to this article...
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/ sniffer-dogs-get-it-wrong-four-out-of-five-times-20111211-1oprv.html
They are wrong 80% of the time according to this article...
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/ sniffer-dogs-get-it-wrong-four-out-of-five-times-20111211-1oprv.html
There's also a question over if they're actually able to detect anything or are only responding to the body language of their handler.
Carnt we get the results of a lie detector test, see exactly what the Mcanns do or do not know.
Ohhh sorry they refuse to take one.
Ohhh sorry they refuse to take one.
Right, here's the gist of the story,
A few families go on holiday and leave their children alone whilst they go on the p1ss....do we all agree
Child goes missing, parents phone sky news before the local plod. Do we all agree
Next day father ( Freemason ) goes for a game of tennis. What would you do in his situation?
Family stay in resort for months, until they're named as suspects, then they come home.
Scotland Yard gets involved saying arrests are imminent, just there to cover the tracks. No arrests made.
Maddie mc was despicably let down by her parents. For her sake, as summing the cscams version is true, I hope she's dead..rip.
A few families go on holiday and leave their children alone whilst they go on the p1ss....do we all agree
Child goes missing, parents phone sky news before the local plod. Do we all agree
Next day father ( Freemason ) goes for a game of tennis. What would you do in his situation?
Family stay in resort for months, until they're named as suspects, then they come home.
Scotland Yard gets involved saying arrests are imminent, just there to cover the tracks. No arrests made.
Maddie mc was despicably let down by her parents. For her sake, as summing the cscams version is true, I hope she's dead..rip.
You have a point there Davey....
Another point, for example, if the McCanns had admitted an accidental overdoes
their careers as Doctors would have been finished for good.......so that could be taken
as quite a high motive to conceal it.
Our plod have not issued any statement ruling anything definitively out or in
so at the moment we have no idea if they have discovered any more than when they went out there?????
My feeling is this will remain unsolved
Another point, for example, if the McCanns had admitted an accidental overdoes
their careers as Doctors would have been finished for good.......so that could be taken
as quite a high motive to conceal it.
Our plod have not issued any statement ruling anything definitively out or in
so at the moment we have no idea if they have discovered any more than when they went out there?????
My feeling is this will remain unsolved
add to that of course the McCanns would probably have been facing a spell in Portuguese prison
for manslaughter at a guess
for manslaughter at a guess
of their own daughter, they would not have relished that experience
in fairness motive on it's own does not make anyone guilty,
censored strange......I was just pointing out a case needs more than motive
They are watching you closely ebulgery. Be very careful. 
theres enough people out there with possible information who need to be lent on a bit harder if they want the truth to come out,the fact they arnt been lent on should have alarm bells ringing
the other tapas members
murat
priest
mcann spokesmen [2 of them]
the other tapas members
murat
priest
mcann spokesmen [2 of them]
Agree with you there 1st time...
This priest is one that's bothering me... what exactly does he know?
He's hidden behind the papal secrecy thing which cannot be right in this case.
This priest is one that's bothering me... what exactly does he know?
He's hidden behind the papal secrecy thing which cannot be right in this case.
Short of putting thumbscrews in the priest there is not much you can do to get him to speak.
thought the catholic church and new pope were having a big clamp down on peado behaviour,that would give him wiggle room to say what he knows
These McCann threads have a habit of disappearing overnight.
I thought they offered to take a lie detector test, then baulked when it was offered!
The circumstances, their immediate reaction, washing cud the sniffer dogs, the insistence on a photo fit that was debunked, the priest, the freemason set, the hidden online criminal record.....something smells fishy & I'm not talking about the contents of Baldricks apple crumble!
The circumstances, their immediate reaction, washing cud the sniffer dogs, the insistence on a photo fit that was debunked, the priest, the freemason set, the hidden online criminal record.....something smells fishy & I'm not talking about the contents of Baldricks apple crumble!
he probably agreed to it ,he,s one cold fish, dr etc probably thought he could beat it,
tapas 9 inconsistent contradictory evidence,if there not involved makes you wonder what else their covering up ,rather than bending over backwards to help the inquiry
tapas 9 inconsistent contradictory evidence,if there not involved makes you wonder what else their covering up ,rather than bending over backwards to help the inquiry
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