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14 Jul 14
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Not before time. How about the Home Secretary resigning now?
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Just have a public inquiry now. And get someone away from the establishment to head it..
not really all down to him tbf. Brazilian football needs a complete overhaul.
Cameron's judgement once again being called into question.
He is remarkably out of touch with public sentiment, even for an Old Etonian.
He is remarkably out of touch with public sentiment, even for an Old Etonian.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28295282
Mrs May, who spoke to Lady Butler-Sloss over the weekend, said she was "deeply saddened" by her decision, "but understand and respect her reasons".
"Baroness Butler-Sloss is a woman of the highest integrity and compassion and continues to have an enormous contribution to make to public life," she added.
Mrs May, who spoke to Lady Butler-Sloss over the weekend, said she was "deeply saddened" by her decision, "but understand and respect her reasons".
"Baroness Butler-Sloss is a woman of the highest integrity and compassion and continues to have an enormous contribution to make to public life," she added.
Some serious misjudgement if you ask me. How no one saw the conflict of interest or Butler-Sloss's previous regarding her ideas on 'keeping schtum', and of course her friendship with people who she would no doubt have to question, is totally beyond me.
It's just another case of Politicians thinking us serfs are incapable of thought or feeling..
It's just another case of Politicians thinking us serfs are incapable of thought or feeling..
Just been having the same conversation with someone guiness. How anyone could appoint her and not see the glaring conflict of interest and how it was possible that she may be seen as less than strictly impartial given her family and friends connections beggars belief. No doubt another 'safe pair of hands' will be drafted in in due course.
They obviously thought no one would notice or remember who her brother was, Mr Mare.
Absolute numbskulls the lot of em..
Absolute numbskulls the lot of em..
Theresa May with the politicians blindfold on. Unfackin real..
They just don't get it do they.Until now they haven't had to in all fairness.
Theresa May is claiming she did not know that Butler-Sloss's brother, when AG, alledgedly attempted to stop an MP from airing paedophile allegations against another.
How in the name of feck, can she can claim this when the info was freely available on the internet and takes about 30 seconds to find. How useless and inept are these people.
How in the name of feck, can she can claim this when the info was freely available on the internet and takes about 30 seconds to find. How useless and inept are these people.
Wouldn't it be refreshing if a politician could just be straight and honest.
Not that Cameron could if his life depended on it, but it would have been better if he'd just said,
"I made an error of judgement and it's being rectified and the inquiry will be fair and impartial with all the documents and names involved thoroughly investigated." instead of having it forced upon him.
They're all corrupt, despicable, lying bastards. None of whom realise they're supposed to be working for us.
Not that Cameron could if his life depended on it, but it would have been better if he'd just said,
"I made an error of judgement and it's being rectified and the inquiry will be fair and impartial with all the documents and names involved thoroughly investigated." instead of having it forced upon him.
They're all corrupt, despicable, lying bastards. None of whom realise they're supposed to be working for us.
Quvega: Quite correct. Within 5 minutes of her name being announced as heading one inquiry, i posted on ere COVER UP I already knew of her past errr exploits regarding commissions, and who she was related to. It's unfathomable to me that the Home Secretary didn't know..
Even if she is far too important & busy doing lord only knows what to do it herself guinness, I am sure she must have researchers available to her. If not, sure any of us could offer their services for a reasonable rate. 
If she was claiming benefits she would have known the colour of her farts..
right so no parliamentarians, no clergy, no police and no judiciary who is left?
For anyone who isn't aware of Butler=Sloss's previous..
By David Barrett, Home Affairs Correspondent8:00PM BST 13 Jul 2014
Baroness Butler-Sloss, the retired judge appointed to investigate claims of an establishment child sex abuse cover-up, was responsible for a controversial ruling which prevented warnings being issued about dangerous paedophiles.
Senior social workers attacked her decision - made when she was an Appeal Court judge - and warned that it would have “major ramifications”.
As the Government faced growing pressure to review its decision to appoint Lady Butler-Sloss to the major new inquiry, one child protection expert said the peer’s involvement in the ruling had the unintended consequence of allowing paedophiles to get away with their crimes.
Lady Butler-Sloss was appointed by Theresa May, the Home Secretary, last Tuesday to lead an overarching review of allegations of child sex abuse by prominent politicians and other figures in institutions such as the Church and the BBC.
But critics have claimed the judge cannot be impartial because her late brother, a former Attorney General, played a key role in the affair in the early 1980s, and it has also been claimed she kept allegations about an Anglican bishop out of a report she wrote three years ago into a paedophile scandal in the Diocese of Chichester.
Lady Butler-Sloss led a panel of three judges who overturned a previous ruling which said councils could warn other local authorities about two men who had been found to have had inappropriate relationships with children.
Neither man had been convicted in a criminal court but in civil proceedings judges had ruled they had been involved in improper sexual relationships with children.
One man, who can only be identified by the initial ‘L’, then 36, was acquitted of attempting to rape his step-daughter and of indecently assaulting his five children but care proceedings in the family courts later found he had been responsible for sexual abusing three children in his care.
He posed a “significant risk” to the three youngest children, the court held.
Croydon council, in south London, where L had lived, sought to secure L’s new address from the court to alert the local authority about his sexual behaviour.
A judge ruled in 1997 that Croydon could go ahead but Lady Butler-Sloss overturned that decision the following year.
Hannah Miller, Croydon’s then director of social services, said at the time: “This is a bleak day for social services departments across the country in their crackdown on child sex abuse.”
In the second case, a man only known as ‘W’ was found by Bournemouth county court in 1997 to pose a risk to children he coached at a junior football league.
A judge found “overwhelming evidence of an unusual and unhealthy relationship” between W and his partner’s youngest son.
W was a “risk of significant harm” to his partner’s sons and Bournemouth social services put restrictions on his access to the children and asked the courts permission to write warning letters to the football club and the football league.
A judge approved Bournemouth’s application but this, too, was overturned by Lady Butler-Sloss.
With Lord Justice Hutchinson and Lord Justice Chadwick she ruled it was inappropriate to disclose information which had emerged as part of family court proceedings under the Children Act. Appeals by L and W were allowed.
Robert Hutchinson, of the Association of Directors of Social Services, said at the time: “This decision has major ramifications for all of us [with] public protection responsibilities. The commonsense approach would be to share information about people considered a danger to children.”
The NSPCC also voiced its concern about the ruling, as a spokesman for the children’s charity said: “information such as this should be passed on to parties who need to know in orderto give children protection.”
Jimmy Savile, the BBC entertainer exposed as a serial paedophile
Lady Butler-Sloss went on to become the most senior judge in England and Wales dealing with child abuse and other family issues, as president of the family division of the High Court from 1999 to 2005.
The way local authorities and police shared intelligence about suspected sex offenders was later the focus of an inquiry into the murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, both 11, in Soham, Cambs, by school caretaker Ian Huntley in 2002.
Mark Williams-Thomas, a former detective who presented a television documentary in 2012 which led to Jimmy Savile being exposed as Britain’s worst-ever paedophile, said: “This ruling led to a significant change in attitudes on the exchange of information and it caused real problems.
“In a way, it assisted offenders in the 1990s to get away with their offending behaviour.
“I’m sure [Lady Butler-Sloss] made that finding in the best of spirit, but it would not be something that would be acceptable today. Around that time there was confusion about what could and could not be shared between agencies - but things are clearer now.
“It heaps more pressure on the Government, which must take a very clear stance on this to say that, for the sake of clarity and for the victims, they need to take another look at this appointment.”
Mrs May is understood to have invited to a meeting at the Home Office this week seven MPs who have led the campaign for an investigation into the child abuse allegations.
They are believed to include Simon Danczuk and Tom Watson, the Labour MPs who exposed a series of revelations about alleged paedophilia in Westminster, and Tessa Munt, the Liberal Democrat who last week disclosed she had been abused as a child.
Several of the members attending the meeting will ask Mrs May to reconsider Lady Butler-Sloss' appointment, sources said.
A Home Office minister has refused to rule out appointing a co-chairman to lead the child sex abuse inquiry alongside Baroness Butler-Sloss, as new detail emerged of her role in a controversial paedophile ruling.
James Brokenshire, the security and immigration minister, insisted the Government was still working out the “precise detail” of the inquiry which will examine allegations of a wide-ranging cover-up of paedophilia in Westminster and other British institutions.
Asked by Dermot Murnaghan on the Sky News channel if the panel members would have “equal powers” or be “co-chairs”, Mr Brokenshire said: “Well I think it’s this precise detail that we are working on at this stage because it is important that we do draw on the right experts.”
If ministers appoint another senior figure to sit alongside Lady Butler-Sloss it would be seen as recognition of concerns over the peer’s impartiality.
By David Barrett, Home Affairs Correspondent8:00PM BST 13 Jul 2014
Baroness Butler-Sloss, the retired judge appointed to investigate claims of an establishment child sex abuse cover-up, was responsible for a controversial ruling which prevented warnings being issued about dangerous paedophiles.
Senior social workers attacked her decision - made when she was an Appeal Court judge - and warned that it would have “major ramifications”.
As the Government faced growing pressure to review its decision to appoint Lady Butler-Sloss to the major new inquiry, one child protection expert said the peer’s involvement in the ruling had the unintended consequence of allowing paedophiles to get away with their crimes.
Lady Butler-Sloss was appointed by Theresa May, the Home Secretary, last Tuesday to lead an overarching review of allegations of child sex abuse by prominent politicians and other figures in institutions such as the Church and the BBC.
But critics have claimed the judge cannot be impartial because her late brother, a former Attorney General, played a key role in the affair in the early 1980s, and it has also been claimed she kept allegations about an Anglican bishop out of a report she wrote three years ago into a paedophile scandal in the Diocese of Chichester.
Lady Butler-Sloss led a panel of three judges who overturned a previous ruling which said councils could warn other local authorities about two men who had been found to have had inappropriate relationships with children.
Neither man had been convicted in a criminal court but in civil proceedings judges had ruled they had been involved in improper sexual relationships with children.
One man, who can only be identified by the initial ‘L’, then 36, was acquitted of attempting to rape his step-daughter and of indecently assaulting his five children but care proceedings in the family courts later found he had been responsible for sexual abusing three children in his care.
He posed a “significant risk” to the three youngest children, the court held.
Croydon council, in south London, where L had lived, sought to secure L’s new address from the court to alert the local authority about his sexual behaviour.
A judge ruled in 1997 that Croydon could go ahead but Lady Butler-Sloss overturned that decision the following year.
Hannah Miller, Croydon’s then director of social services, said at the time: “This is a bleak day for social services departments across the country in their crackdown on child sex abuse.”
In the second case, a man only known as ‘W’ was found by Bournemouth county court in 1997 to pose a risk to children he coached at a junior football league.
A judge found “overwhelming evidence of an unusual and unhealthy relationship” between W and his partner’s youngest son.
W was a “risk of significant harm” to his partner’s sons and Bournemouth social services put restrictions on his access to the children and asked the courts permission to write warning letters to the football club and the football league.
A judge approved Bournemouth’s application but this, too, was overturned by Lady Butler-Sloss.
With Lord Justice Hutchinson and Lord Justice Chadwick she ruled it was inappropriate to disclose information which had emerged as part of family court proceedings under the Children Act. Appeals by L and W were allowed.
Robert Hutchinson, of the Association of Directors of Social Services, said at the time: “This decision has major ramifications for all of us [with] public protection responsibilities. The commonsense approach would be to share information about people considered a danger to children.”
The NSPCC also voiced its concern about the ruling, as a spokesman for the children’s charity said: “information such as this should be passed on to parties who need to know in orderto give children protection.”
Jimmy Savile, the BBC entertainer exposed as a serial paedophile
Lady Butler-Sloss went on to become the most senior judge in England and Wales dealing with child abuse and other family issues, as president of the family division of the High Court from 1999 to 2005.
The way local authorities and police shared intelligence about suspected sex offenders was later the focus of an inquiry into the murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, both 11, in Soham, Cambs, by school caretaker Ian Huntley in 2002.
Mark Williams-Thomas, a former detective who presented a television documentary in 2012 which led to Jimmy Savile being exposed as Britain’s worst-ever paedophile, said: “This ruling led to a significant change in attitudes on the exchange of information and it caused real problems.
“In a way, it assisted offenders in the 1990s to get away with their offending behaviour.
“I’m sure [Lady Butler-Sloss] made that finding in the best of spirit, but it would not be something that would be acceptable today. Around that time there was confusion about what could and could not be shared between agencies - but things are clearer now.
“It heaps more pressure on the Government, which must take a very clear stance on this to say that, for the sake of clarity and for the victims, they need to take another look at this appointment.”
Mrs May is understood to have invited to a meeting at the Home Office this week seven MPs who have led the campaign for an investigation into the child abuse allegations.
They are believed to include Simon Danczuk and Tom Watson, the Labour MPs who exposed a series of revelations about alleged paedophilia in Westminster, and Tessa Munt, the Liberal Democrat who last week disclosed she had been abused as a child.
Several of the members attending the meeting will ask Mrs May to reconsider Lady Butler-Sloss' appointment, sources said.
A Home Office minister has refused to rule out appointing a co-chairman to lead the child sex abuse inquiry alongside Baroness Butler-Sloss, as new detail emerged of her role in a controversial paedophile ruling.
James Brokenshire, the security and immigration minister, insisted the Government was still working out the “precise detail” of the inquiry which will examine allegations of a wide-ranging cover-up of paedophilia in Westminster and other British institutions.
Asked by Dermot Murnaghan on the Sky News channel if the panel members would have “equal powers” or be “co-chairs”, Mr Brokenshire said: “Well I think it’s this precise detail that we are working on at this stage because it is important that we do draw on the right experts.”
If ministers appoint another senior figure to sit alongside Lady Butler-Sloss it would be seen as recognition of concerns over the peer’s impartiality.
Burton-Brewers
14 Jul 14 20:19
right so no parliamentarians, no clergy, no police and no judiciary who is left?
Chit Chat Detective Agency.
14 Jul 14 20:19
right so no parliamentarians, no clergy, no police and no judiciary who is left?
Chit Chat Detective Agency.
Of course Theresa May would have known. It's sheer arrogance that she expects people to believe otherwise.
"A new judge will be named within days" says Theresa May
Cant be too difficult to find a replacement.
Lets face it, the government have already written the report(Nothing to see here etc)
Its finding a Judge willing to sell their soul, who will put their name to it is the hard part.
Cant be too difficult to find a replacement.
Lets face it, the government have already written the report(Nothing to see here etc)
Its finding a Judge willing to sell their soul, who will put their name to it is the hard part.
I would like to see someone who is not afraid to take on the Establishment chair the inquiry. Someone like Michael Mansfield QC, but that's never going to happen.
Theresa may is one worried women at this moment in time. When certain names come up, and the shot hits the fan,her plan of getting baroness alias to cover it up has backfires and now Mrs may could carry the can for when the dark forces come calling
Could do worse than Nick Davies or Andrew Norfolk..
A panel of such like could work..
A panel of such like could work..
it will be establishment judge who wanto be be a lord in exchange for the whitewash report
I would normally agree with that Brendan, but the bigger picture (next year) might make them back down a little. No chance of either of the two i mentioned being involved, maybe somewhere in the middle?
If they went the Judge route again, it will lead to even more backlash than they're getting now..
If they went the Judge route again, it will lead to even more backlash than they're getting now..
guinness
Forgive my bluntness but if somebody on chit chat was able to expose a devious and cunning plan within 5 minutes then it was neither devious nor cunning. Of course it could just have been an attempt to try it on but then we return to the point that people were going to have a field day over it because it wouldn't take much exposing and the politicians would be back to square one but with egg on their face. When weighing up whether idiocy and cocck up or deviousness and malice are at play I tend to favour the former if it is easily exposable and nobody ever lost money betting on the stupidity of people.
Forgive my bluntness but if somebody on chit chat was able to expose a devious and cunning plan within 5 minutes then it was neither devious nor cunning. Of course it could just have been an attempt to try it on but then we return to the point that people were going to have a field day over it because it wouldn't take much exposing and the politicians would be back to square one but with egg on their face. When weighing up whether idiocy and cocck up or deviousness and malice are at play I tend to favour the former if it is easily exposable and nobody ever lost money betting on the stupidity of people.
it does deflect rather nicely from who's heading it all though doesn't it? It was all kicking off a year ago, he moved into his new job and lo & behold a year later................
I think i have made my feelings quite clear on the stupidity of politicians, and on that basis, running the lottery is probably as good as any training you could get, tbh..
The whiff of cronyism and 'the old boy network' will attach itself to pretty much anyone that is appointed to this enquiry.
The Government has to get a grip and appoint someone that is not so manifestly 'establishment' as Butler-Sloss was....and then we, the Great British public, have to be mature enough to accept whoever is appointed without scrutinising their every association for signs of Savilry / Freemasonism / General 'Establishmentism'.
The Government has to get a grip and appoint someone that is not so manifestly 'establishment' as Butler-Sloss was....and then we, the Great British public, have to be mature enough to accept whoever is appointed without scrutinising their every association for signs of Savilry / Freemasonism / General 'Establishmentism'.
On BBC news this morning.
Clive Driscoll, a top cop in the Met in the 1980s, revealed plans to investigate politicians over allegations of abuse in children’s homes.
He said ’It was all too uncomfortable to a lot of people.’
He was moved from his post.
Also on BBC news
660 arrests of suspected accessing of child abuse images online, including teachers, doctors, former police officers, care workers and scout leaders (all professional people) but strangely enough, not one MP.
And Gove, going by the way he looks, would be 1.01 to be found guilty by the Chit Chat Detective Agency
has been made a whip, which means he can't discuss any cases now.
Clive Driscoll, a top cop in the Met in the 1980s, revealed plans to investigate politicians over allegations of abuse in children’s homes.
He said ’It was all too uncomfortable to a lot of people.’
He was moved from his post.
Also on BBC news
660 arrests of suspected accessing of child abuse images online, including teachers, doctors, former police officers, care workers and scout leaders (all professional people) but strangely enough, not one MP.
And Gove, going by the way he looks, would be 1.01 to be found guilty by the Chit Chat Detective Agency
has been made a whip, which means he can't discuss any cases now.
I watched the Driscoll interview on Newsnight last night. He had plenty to say about the Lawrence case as well. 100/1 at the mo but if the Lawrence family trust him, then maybe a lively outsider..
'Michael Gove has NOT been demoted' said Cameron.
One newspaper asks: Why has he got a £36k pay cut then?
One newspaper asks: Why has he got a £36k pay cut then?
Another establishment stooge coming under pressure.
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https://childsexualabuseinquiry.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Letter-to-the-Home-Secretary.pdf
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https://childsexualabuseinquiry.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Letter-to-the-Home-Secretary.pdf
Another candidate to keep the lid on the filth.
http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/sly-old-fiona-woolf-and-the-csa-cover-up/
http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/sly-old-fiona-woolf-and-the-csa-cover-up/
With the cover up being attempted in Rotherham, and no doubt other files are going to be 'misplaced' 'lost' et al all over the country, then you would hope there would be some sort of independant review.
If not, then it really is time to switch out the lights. These are our children after all.
If cover ups are allowed, and in fact encouraged by self serving politicians, then all hope is lost of a decent society.
If not, then it really is time to switch out the lights. These are our children after all.
If cover ups are allowed, and in fact encouraged by self serving politicians, then all hope is lost of a decent society.
And so it should.
Shirley something as important as this, which may involve politicians, should be led by someone who has cross party support, and is as
independant as possible.
Its like Blair choosing Lord Hutton to come up with the right answers over the David Kelly murder...i mean suicide.
Shirley something as important as this, which may involve politicians, should be led by someone who has cross party support, and is as
independant as possible.
Its like Blair choosing Lord Hutton to come up with the right answers over the David Kelly murder...i mean suicide.
have to appoint michael mansfield after being asked by victims and accepted, shirley
Brendan: I think Mansfield has said he will "consider" taking up the appointment if asked.
I somehow think that the government will still appoint one from 'within'
I somehow think that the government will still appoint one from 'within'
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