Rolf Victim Tonya Lee

we will probably get to know her better in the next celebrity big brother

money money money money money and more money

It's incredible how the prospect of money improves the memory.

what she doing in a pub if she was aged 15

sitting on rolf"s knee

we have managed to raise being a victim...to some kind of art form

I would rather believe little green men were sitting on my roof...than some of these so called victims

Wesdag  • July 3, 2014 8:07 PM BST 
It's incredible how the prospect of money improves the memory.

true
She says nothing for 28 years..once she sees she can make money, back comes her memory

Even her story?
She comes back to Australia in a supposedly terrible state, surely someone would have noticed something was wrong?
i.e. her parents.. surely they would have pressed her to find out what was wrong.

I also find it totally unbelievable that anyone living now or in 1986 would not know what sexual abuse was.
I may accept her story if she had gone to the police somewhat nearer the time this happened.
Because of the possible monetary incentive, this evidence is not safe now.

I don't know if it was this one, one of the alleged victim demanded £25,000 for Harris not to go the police,
some victim!

I am still of the opinion that Barbara Jefferon is, these cases should be considered lapsed,
because of the time interval, and the doubt over these alleged victims motives.
Evidence should only be accepted from those that made allegations much nearer the time of these offences.
I would have given some years. I don't consider any allegations made now safe myself

just my own opinion

well your opinion is ill informed and wrong

aren't we lucky you weren't on the jury then, hey, but 12 of your peers just like you (maybe) found him guilty of all charges, do u have a better way for a trial to operate.

Who gives a flying fck about time elapsed, if you do horrendous acts against our moral standings as a society, you should be hunted down and brought to justice before a jury of your peers. Time will never lessen the severity of such despicable acts. and for anyone, like you have done to keep on about a statue of limitations regarding such crimes shows the empathy of a sociopath.

I am sorry I still ask questions

yes I know he has been found guilty, but I stand by my opinions

some of us think for ourselves

That's very condescending ed, your basically saying your thinking for yourself  but because log has a different opinion to you  he isn't thinking for himself

Are you still on the sauce

all she wants is money money money and more give me more more money that is

pumphol.  • July 4, 2014 10:04 AM BST 


That's very condescending ed, your basically saying your thinking for yourself  but because log has a different opinion to you  he isn't thinking for himself Crazy

where have I said that pumphol? I said some people?????????????????????????????

He is fully entitled to his own opinion..although he has said mie is ill informed and wrong
I think he the one who is wrong

My concerns repeat
1. The length of time that has elapsed, how is anyone supposed to work out now, what and what did not happen?
2. Alleged victims could well stand to gain financially by their evidence
the witness here has already been paid by the media...just for making the allegation

what do you think this may be doing to justice......a very fair question

I am not saying the jury reached the wrong verdict, they probably did their best with the evidence on offer
and would have been directed by the judge...I am not totally certain they have reached the right one though, that is just my opinion

I have not looked at the trial in detail, too sordid for me
But did this person, present any witnesses, as to what happened at the time, in the pub?

Otherwise all you have is testimony from someone who has already been paid by the media for it
I am inclined to mdm's view

Did anyone see her sitting on Harris's knee for a start, have any witnesses been produced to confirm this????????

and why not???

There will come a time when everyone will record and store everything they say
and do on a daily basis. This will be their own record and will be a safeguard
against other people...and the possibility of false accusations. Orwell was right
in his predictions but maybe also wrong....we would become more free if we did this.

Well it would certainly establish time and place here, I am not sure how
close the camera could have got to Harris's hand.

you don`t understand ebul, everything we say and do can be recorded in future and
kept by ourselves. This is something that people naturally are fearful off, but it
could have a liberating effect.

I thought that was what you were saying
in which case this incident would have been recorded..in fact you could then follow Harris's life in public
so we would then have had a bit more than just evidence from people who could gain financially

If no compensation claims are allowed...that would improve the chance of justice here
but stopping media paying people for their stories...a but more difficult to stop???????????

From experience people will do and say anything for money
so?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

make your own judgement

ebul............he downloaded child porn...........guilty...........end of story

Police found a secret stash of child abuse images on Rolf Harris’ computer at home, it can now be revealed.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) wanted to put the veteran entertainer on trial for possessing indecent images, but yesterday the charges were dropped amid fears that the CPS ‘could be considered oppressive’ in light of his conviction for indecent assault.
Harris compiled a sickening catalogue of images of ‘extremely young’ children under 13 posing suggestively while semi-naked, with teddy bears in the foreground.

Detectives found a total of 33 indecent images of boys and girls downloaded from depraved websites named, 'Tiny Teen ****', ‘Little Vaginas’, ‘Youngest Teen Porn’ and ‘Young Little Girlies’ months after was arrested on suspicion of sexually assaulting girls as young as seven.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2680411/Rolf-Harris-leaves-home-boat...


Just so those defending or whinging about his sentence are aware of just what sort of vile, manipulative, craven pervert you are talking about.

hasn't it been confirmed that these images were of eastern European girls who were all over 18?

Er he hasnt been found guilty of downloading child porn. I would say end of, but Im not a bell-end.

Er he hasnt been found guilty of downloading child porn. I would say end of, but Im not a bell-end.

they want money money money money moneyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

I am not psychic!

If he has really been downloading child porn then he would be guilty of that offence

I am not defending anybody, I would like to think justice is being done
nowadays I have severe doubts,

Who is actually interested in this case anymore - damage has been done......................

...especially with people who believe everything they read in trashy papers.

I don't know about Harris' case ebul but it is common for victims of historic abuse to bury their sense of shame very deep often for decades because they struggle to break out of the state of being subservient to the individual who has abused them. It is very common for these things to come out later in life when these people come to terms with what has happened and the fact that the individual who abused them no longer has the power the victim believed them to possess. This can come as individuals but that takes great courage and it isn't at all uncommon for people to come forward when they are aware that other people have done so. The majority of these cases aren't celebrities and that aspect allows people to make assumptions like you seem to have done that it is about the money. I'm sure there are easier ways of making a few quid than trying to convince the world you have been sexually abused in childhood.

'especially with people who believe everything they read in trashy papers.' well ...if the accusers had been lying I'm pretty certain they would have been found out by now.

One of the problems I have with this cases is this.

On count 2 in 1978 he indecently assaulted a 16 year old by groping her bottom, squeezing her left buttock a number of times. She has then said that an adult man could do that has made her feel powerless etc.

If we now are in a situation where you can have a charge against you for that, which took place 36 years ago then we are starting to live in a very dangerous place.

I am sure as night follows day that pop stars and tv stars of a bygone age will have slept with under age girls. Will they all be coming to court?

Will a girl that I slept with 20 years ago now decide that I raped her?

I am not excusing the other charges against Harris, he has been found guilty of having a sexual contact with children and he deserves his punishment. I just feel that we have to be careful  not to cross the seriousness and damaging effect of  paedophilia with someone groping a woman/man.

Lets face it Rolf Harris has the money to take this case all the way.....doubt his victims have.

all the way where? hes in jail

How would they have been found out?

G'night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

Sleep well :-)

I'm sure there are easier ways of making a few quid than trying to convince the world you have been sexually abused in childhood.

are there eternal??????????????
some people love playing the victim roll...

I have met lots of women claiming they were sexually abused at one time or another
some true, some false..

The really bad ones that cause the damage are when someone is systematically abused over a period of time
sadly usually by  a family member...this is where you start seeing psychological damage..one offs people can recover from
although I am not going to excuse them..
A very good friend of mine was raped...dna got him

We have lots of allegations here, vey little proof
an allegation, does not make something true

Steamship

To be fair you do bring up a fair point. There's a world of difference between a paedeophile and a dodgy geezer who tries it on with girls just over the age of consent and conflating the two is problematic. When we were growing up some men were referred to as free with their hands and everybody knew the score. The point is that they weren't paedophiles.

There was also an often unspoken but acknowledged understanding that some girls past puberty but still below the age of sexual consent were sexually active and often promiscuous. The emphasis was on the understanding that they knew what they were doing because girls matured more quickly than boys. If now girls who were 14 and 15 are turning around and claiming they were victims that is also problematic because it tends to fly in the face of how sections of society saw things at that time. Those men still weren't paedophiles.

So what we are doing is retrospectively imposing societies current moral framework onto times gone by and that can be dangerous even allowing for the fact that the age of consent has been 16 in this country for many years. For example in 20 or 30 years time we may see civil action being brought by children against their arent because they were brough up in households where the parents smoked. In 60 or 70 yeasr those people could be sued by their own children because they were brought up by parents who made them eat meat.

ebul

On the contrary. Here we have allegations proven because Harris has now been sentenced for committing the crimes.

A conviction isnt the same as proof.

I can't contradict you there eternal.....although I still have my concerns

You seem to be a lot fairer to steamship than me eternal
the price I pay for being a know all

My association with this comes the Mental Health system, where one did see a lot of damage caused by systematic abuse
But also there were a few who claimed it, just to get sympathy or to feel some importance, or to excuse their own crimes
it is not easy to generalise here

and with these cases there is the added incentive of money

very true clungehungry

as you replied to steamship eternal

we are attempting to rewite history here as well, I feel

Clunge

Sorry to contradict you but that is the essence of our legal system. A conviction is deemed to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Which if course is different from complete knowledge that the accused committed a specific offence which is something which we can rarely assert for obvious reasons.

there have been mistakes before here, there will be again

Believe what you want to believe.....always been the way.

You are not contradicting me. Some people thinking or claiming something has been proved doesnt mean it has been.

People can make bad decisions for any number of reasons.

I found this interesting:

http://www.libertarianview.co.uk/current-affairs/rolf-harris-beyond-reasonable-doubta

That many people can't be wrong!.  I was not one of them - thank goodness.

:-) morning. I think we are all glad you werent on the jury.

hey-ho to that!.

Clungehungry
04 Jul 14 19:02   
...especially with people who believe everything they read in trashy papers.

1.01 landed.

'If it's in the Mail, it's not true.'

Yet more entertainment for H.M.'s inmates.

It wasnt :-)