He molested me too!

Are you laughing at all those he abused?

Of course not - but I can't believe there aren't a significant number of opportunisits around this.

I believe it is too long ago to be sure of the truth...these charges should have lapsed

Far from it, there can be no statute of limitations for people who molest children, because that urge simply does not go away.

Nobody should be charged 30- 40 years after an offence especially when the accused cant give a date within a couple of years of when it was supposed to have happened.

Not even those who experimented on the Jews and gassed them in the concentration camps?
They should know that no matter how long they will be  hunted down until their death.
Savilles grave site should be dug up and his coffin dumped into the top of an active volcano.
Harris should be hung for his crimes.

It'll be difficult for him to ever show his face in public again and once he's in prison likely to be on suicide watch. Absolutely right that the prosecution of these creeps continue.

If Harris could be hung it would send a clear message out to those thinking about committing such hideous crimes.

posy.........wouldnt be surprised if he topped himself before friday..........mind you i said the same about max clifford

Did we ever find out why he tied that kangaroo down?

Is it enough that unconnected women come forward and say they were molested when they are likely to get large sums of money for someone to be found guilty ?

And there was basically a search asking for people to contact the enquiry.

Shouldn't there be more evidence ?

The one who said she became an alcoholic reportedly asked RH for £25,000 before reporting him to the police.

I once was involved in a car accident ... at the court case the other driver produced a doctor's report which said he had received a back injury.

The only problem the report was dated one day before the accident took place.

^ was

When i was 14 i used to deliver groceries on a saturday morning ,one gay this married lass gave me the wink did i complain did i fook was i molested ? EVery saturday for  11 months until they moved i was unconsolable and packed the job in.

Fink the Queen took him to her house ...............to stop him doing it

By the way...........Im still waiting for the Jimmy  Savile money.....................this is for the damage by second hand smoke.............

My view reflects that of Barbara Hewson, a leading barrister

Who says Yewtree is destroying the rule of law

It is grotesque, persecuting old men, for something that may or not have happened many years ago
by normal rules of evidence, nobody would be convicted of these charges

It is doing our society no good....we should concentrate on the here and now, protect our children now!

just my own opinion of course

I accept other people have strong views on this

The fact we need to so far into the past to try and find paedophiles
suggests we have very few now?

or do we?, that would my main concern

If finger-printing solves crime - the thieves wear gloves. When they couldn't get a bomb on a plance they took liquids. If security cameras watch everywhere - the criminals wear balaclavas. 
Can paedos stop being paedos - doubt it, but they can get better at avoiding detection.

Well there are always bad people about

But frankly if you are victim you do need to report this within some reasonable time
not wait 40/50 years until the alleged abuser are in the 80's this is degrading us

As I said my view is that of Barbara Hewson
I believe these allegations should be considered lapsed, due to the passage of time
If paedos are still at it, how about we protect our children now!

or maybe castrate them, I dunno

I asked rolf to put his tongue down my throat

instead he sang stairway to heaven

contacting no win no fee lawyer

^ do you think it's funny to trivialise the horror that these children suffered at the hands of a serial molester ?

Well, in MY opinion, the vast majority of these serial offenders victims NEVER come forward. They will have their own, personal reasons for this. Some may have the same attitude that is expressed here that 'it didn't actually harm them'. Some will feel that they had done 'dirty' things. Some will not want their family members to share their anguish. Some will just keep quiet because it is easiest to do so. Some will ,keep quiet because there isn't any point in speaking out because they will still not be believed and will probably be accused of lying in pursuit of a payout, thereby adding insult to injury.
To be honest, most 'historic' sex offences reach a verdict of 'not guilty' because there is no forensic or supporting evidence to the charge. It comes down to simple contradiction and, therefore, the only safe verdict is one of 'not guilty'.
Maybe 'Not Proven' would bring a modicum of redress to the accusers/victims.

Anyway, you can bet that it's still going on now and that many of today's assaults will resurface in years to come and the victims will not be believed. They will be accused of chasing compensation and they will learn that, when you have been assaulted, it's best just to say nothing.
It's just like uncle Fester said: "Nobody will believe you 'cos you're only a kid". And so ad infinitum.

Theres nothing funny about what Saville and Harris did and it shouldn't be trivialised with light hearted comments. Disrespectful to the victims.

Of course it isn't you tool.

The witch hunts that took place long ago seem similar.

Nowadays we have become accustomed to some kind of forensic evidence or witness(es) before anyone is found guilty.

As far as I know there were no witnesses just women lining up to say they had been molested / indecently assaulted many years ago. The chief accuser ( the daughter's friend ) only reported RH when he turned down her request for £25,000. As RH admits an affair with her when she reached 18 ... the earlier assaults are her word against his.

When the accusers are now expected to take RH to the cleaners you can see the motive for them to come forward.

witch hunt ?

he wrote a letter to the father,confirming sexual relations

with an adult ... not an offence.

Some of the acts Rolf Harris did were too disturbed to be described in any detail on national TV even after the trial.Hardly a witch hunt outing a monster. As far as her being 18 , even if she was surely if would set alarm bells ringing when a man admits that despite being in his 50's he's involved in sexual activity with someone more than 30 years his junior and his daughters best friend.

Well, it IS disrespectful to the victims! It is disrespectful to treat the invasion of their privacy and the invasion of their bodies. It is NOT funny. It's about as far away from funny as you can get.
The long-term psychological impact may not be apparent. The victims may not even realise that it has had an effect on them but I would reckon that the signs are there, buried deep within their wall.

That's one of the problems with the brain...there is no 'delete' button. Time will usually blur the images and dull the senses attached to memories whether good or bad. Unfortunately, although the actual event may fade the reaction sometimes never does. It can haunt the victims for the rest of their lives and affect everything they subsequently do...or don't do.

At least bringing your molester to court and telling the world of the other side of an apparent 'nice family guy'. It brings them the satisfaction of showing the perpetrator that he may well have had his bit of sordid satisfaction...and if he wasn't ashamed of doing it then, he shouldn't be ashamed of it now!"

As a Brucie Bonus......every now and then, one of these paedophiles is actually found 'guilty'.
Not often, but it can happen.

Almost everyone seemed to know Saville was at it ... and forgive me if I'm wrong but didn't JS publish details of an underage sexual encounter in a book. Newspapers were ready to publish articles but backed off under the threat of being sued.

I've yet to read of anyone who knew Rolf Harris saying they thought he was dodgy.

As soon as Yewtree started appealing for victims to come forward I thought they would attract a lot of bogus complaints. My comparison with the witch trials is that in those days when up to 500 'witches' were executed it must have seemed a way to attack someone you didn't like or had a grievance against.

The jury were possible convinced by 12 unconnected women coming forward ... I wasn't there so perhaps their evidence was convincing ... but before accepting RH was guilty I would have liked a bit more evidence than that which I have read.

I'm still waiting for someone to post concrete evidence of RH's guilt on this thread.

cc........was 12 charges.........7 by the woman who he went on to have an affair....so much less than 12

RickiBobby
02 Jul 14 17:22   
If Harris could be hung it would send a clear message out to those thinking about committing such hideous crimes.

No it wouldn't.
It never deterred murderers before 1965.

No, he's right, it would send a clear message - that if you're going to get hanged for molesting a child you may well murder them as well.

Those molested were too scared to expose the molestors, if they killed that person it would make them easier to catch their a lot more slimy to fall for that.  It's a different world now Taxi , the death penalty would scare some of these scum bags off though accept not all.
The likes of Harris and Clifford won't commit suicide ,they' ll probably look at prison as an opportunity to abuse more people, even if its now got to be men.

xmoneyx  • July 3, 2014 10:41 AM BST
witch hunt ?

I believe so too xmoneyx

The problem with witch hunts is everybody joins in and everything is believed

still people are entitled to their views
Since I was not actually there, witnessing these allegations, I cant really say yes or no
neither do I believe can anybody else tbh

there seems to be an over ephasis on yewtree etc but the gangs of molesters seem to get a whole lot less publicity and there was up to 50 odd investigations going on in the north into them!!!

I think the 'over-emphasis' is on the part of the media, not by the molested population of the country.

RickiBobby   

  03 Jul 14 14:31 

Those molested were too scared to expose the molestors, if they killed that person it would make them easier to catch their a lot more slimy to fall for that.  It's a different world now Taxi , the death penalty would scare some of these scum bags off though accept not all.
The likes of Harris and Clifford won't commit suicide ,they' ll probably look at prison as an opportunity to abuse more people, even if its now got to be men.

you imbecile !

Rolf Harris is 84.

The death penalty was abolished in the UK partly because of cases like that of the teenage, mentally feeble Derek Bentley ( he had serious head injuries during the war when a bomb hit the house he was living in).
He was found guilty of murder even though someone else pulled the trigger.

The conviction was belatedly quashed ... Bentley was hanged in 1953.

curious cat

the same thought occurred to me......

Perverts and molestors hopefully a lot more will be outed soon there must be loads all these paedos have their little rings etc make me want to puke..

AS I understand it, and I've not followed it all that closely so forgive me if I am wrong, but the number of allegations against him seems to have been the crucial, and pretty much only evidence. And there is a logic in that, if lots of people make claims against Harris and none do about, I don't know, Tony Hart (!). then it seems reasonable to suspect something was not quite right.

However, there is a difference, legal and moral, between being a bit touchy-feely, a bit of a dirty old man, and basically sleazy, and being guilty of every charge brought against him. Several, I think, came after he was named openly, and definitely after his name was spread across the internet.

And the same line of thinking works the other way too. If one woman/girl was the subject of abuse then it is entirely plausible that they didn\t complain. If lots were, surely one would have?

The Savile case has set a worrying precedent for 'guilty through lots of people saying bad things about you'.

clungehunry
However, there is a difference, legal and moral, between being a bit touchy-feely, a bit of a dirty old man, and basically sleazy, and being guilty of every charge brought against him. Several, I think, came after he was named openly, and definitely after his name was spread across the internet.


OH YEAH, you think there are different degrees of pedophilia

you jerkoff

An intelligent post from Clungehungry

I could not say that for the last post

There must be literally hundreds of celebrities from the 70s and 80s who are crapping their pants.  Saville was pure evil but the likes of Harris and the PR guru were typical of how celebrities behaved back then.  It was a different time and judging them by todays morals is dangerous.  Most of the accusers are merely chasing money and a place on big brother.

It's because of what you said ,Close hungry, that people like Saville and Harris got away with it for so long.
Very few will make up stories for the money- they know if they get caught out making it up they could end up in prison themselves.
To think masses will make up stories is naive and just encourages pedos to believe they can carry on getting away with it. The " making up
stuff" is the pedos first line of defence in court.

Rolf Harris browsed websites showing images of girls believed to be as young as 13, it can now be reported following his conviction for indecent assault.

When detectives examined the 84-year-old entertainer's desktop computer after they searched his home in Bray, Berkshire, in 2012 while investigating historical claims of indecent assault, they discovered he had visited websites with such names as "My little nieces", "Tiny teen girlfriends" and "Russian girlfriends".

They also found a note in Harris's diary, in his handwriting, with instructions on how to delete the history on his internet browser programme.

Harris was charged with four counts of making indecent images of children – the notion of "making" an image, based on a 1978 law, also includes viewing them on a computer – as well as the 12 counts of indecent assault on which he was unanimously convicted by a jury at Southwark crown court on Monday.

the gigilo.....i totally agree.......its hard for us to understand.......its so sick and depraved.........i just dont understand these people

xmoney..i was in hope that the man was innocent but having just read your post theres no doubt that rolf was a paedo

Both daughters told me that you can't take photographs of your own kids at swimming pools these days.

But if you want to spend between a fiver and a tenner, some places have an official photographer who can do it for you. 

How do we know these 'officials' are okay?

There will be a heated argument with management if I get to see my grandchildren in the swimming pool, because I will take photographs.

A BRISTOL woman who invested her life savings in a painting by disgraced celebrity Rolf Harris says she fears it has been devalued by up to 90 per cent.

Sarah Gardiner, 35, bought Horses at the Lights months before the star was arrested to provide some financial security when she retired.

After he was asked to paint the Queen it was expected his works would become even more valuable.

But months later Harris, 84, was arrested for a string of indecent assault charges against young women.

On Monday he was convicted of 12 counts of indecent assault and is expected to face jail when he is sentenced later today.

Sara, who lives with partner Mark and their baby daughter Lucy, said: “I’m sick that I bought the work of such an evil man and gutted that it’s now not going to be worth the canvas it’s painted on.”

Auctioneer and TV expert Mark Stacey conceded that selling a Harris painting would be “very difficult.”

Life savings?

Not much then.

28k

Needs her head examined then.

No logroller, I believe there is criminal activity and non-criminal activity. There is wanting to smack you over the head with a watermelon for being so stupid, and there is actually doing so.

And yes Rickibobby - why do I get the awful feeling that is a shared account between an extremely insecure couple - I do of course realise that my desire for actual evidence of wrongdoing makes me responsible for all criminal acts, ever.

The jury in the Harris case obviously thought there was enough evidence to convict him, and given further
information that's come to light since his conviction it appears it was the correct one. With further cases possibly pending ,hopefully he will never walk the streets as a free man again.