how do i stop going on full tilt mode?

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its not even just when i lose a bet, its when i make a mistake.
i cant handle it anymore.

i keep laying out of bets that end up winning, not laying out of bets that lose. everything i do feels like its going wrong. which it cant be, cos take those 2 stupid bets out id be in a great position. yet it all feels like it goes wrong. mentally im totally fooked with the gambling. i used to be able to forget all the c0ck ups and just look at the bottom line. so what if i should have made twice as much, if ive made a profit its a profit. but now every little thing i do wrong, every penalty thats not given, ever open net some misses, its all just winding me up like a loony. when giroud missed that sitter at the end i threw stuff across the room. ive lost the plot here, how the hell do i get it back?

need a break Bob?, until the Premiership starts, I assume you bet on that

maybe. maybe im just getting too old for this game.

i think i started going wrong when i started betting in play more. i never used to, it was always straight bets win or lose. maybe the odd in-play bet when favs went 1-0 down etc, but most bets werent placed or layed off in play. when you know you can bail out it changes what you bet on. and then you get the whole should i or shouldnt i conundrum when its going wrong. taking a loss on a winning bet is harder to cope with mentally than just placing a bet youre sure about and it losing. but then ive found some really good opportunities in play at some times. so i dunno!

Whose in charge?
You or your chimp?

try going back to cash betting for a bit.

Shoot yourself in the face.

If it's serious advice you're after Bob I'd suggest you cast your mind back to the first time it happened. You say you had a long previous period of being able to control your impulses and then this broke down. Was there a trigger at that time which caused this change? A loss of some kind? Perhaps even a bereavement. Then ask yourself at the specific time you make these decisions what is the catalyst and how do you feel? Is it really just as simple as losing a bet or is it telling you something about how you feel or where you are in your life? Is it something like a life crisis? Perhas it's an age thing where you feel a sense of no longer being in control of your destiny? Or you are craving excitement?

I don't know why obviously and you may not but there is usually a trigger for destructive behaviour in a person not previously prone to it.

Sideshow....give up gambling and get down Sainsburys....they seem a nice bunch.

I'm becoming the same with football bob , just honestly can't stand the Game , Commentators , anything to do with the game much longer tbh

I've had the most depressing World cup Ever , Group bets all cost me , Costa Rica , Algeria , Layed out of Iran even layed out of Australia to finish bottom as Spain were such letdowns !!

along with that about my last 10 under 3.5 bets have all cost me hundreds , my brain's just gone with it makes no sense any longer (having won for years) and am on the verge of losing the value of money football betting

I should just quit really , last years Premiership was the beginning of the new Doom Times imo

Good post Eeternaloptimist

there's also the fact that's hard to swallow that you just can't beat the game so easily any longer (same applies to poker for me = had a £2750 downswing along with losing on the World cup)

I'd have more fun poking my eyes out with tweezers than gambling right now , but life moves fast , very fast (that's the real problem imo)

Would he have said they were full tilt bets if they'd won? His successful bets were defined as well thought out punts but his losers were defined as full tilt could it be in reality that these bets were all basically as worthy as each other. Every gambler would like to be able to only back winners and eliminate all losing bets but surely in the long run that's impossible; in the end your either making a profit or not and that's what's important.

Hi SSB and McM

Ee and no moves have replied with two differing but well thought out and sensible suggestions.  Do they apply to you?

You both seem to be betting on football which gives you plenty of time to consider what you are betting on before you bet – unless you’re steaming of course, or betting in-play. It’s old hat but I suggest you keep a record of your bets and why you think they are good bets before you bet. Taking time to record why you consider a bet to be good should reduce compulsion betting.  Reflecting on why you thought a bet was good is informative; reading ten times “I was on tilt" and you lost should get the message across.

Failing that take a few months off.

GL

Jun 26, 2014 -- 4:16PM, no moves wrote:

Would he have said they were full tilt bets if they'd won? His successful bets were defined as well thought out punts but his losers were defined as full tilt could it be in reality that these bets were all basically as worthy as each other. Every gambler would like to be able to only back winners and eliminate all losing bets but surely in the long run that's impossible; in the end your either making a profit or not and that's what's important.

they are because the two bets were not only at least double and treble my usual stakes, but they were on games i had no feeling or knowledge about whatsoever. one of was a 3k liability on a peruvian match laying the 0-0. i very rarely lay the 0-0, if i do its on matches im pretty sure there will be a goal. a game i have some knowledge of. not the first game i see that is in-play that i dont have the faintest idea who the teams even are. i keep thinking well surely every time i take a crazy chance of these tilts they cant always end 0-0. but they always do. incredibly unlucky, but stupid doing it in the first place.

i lose plenty of bets that arent like that, i wouldnt call them full tilt in the slightest cos they were bets id normally do. i lost a grand backing brazil to score against mexico at 1.10. obviously never like losing, but it was a bet i do often so i cant really complain when one of em goes wrong.

when im losing 2k (i layed for 3k but took a massive red with about 5 minutes to go) on an obscure peruvian game that was basically just the first game i saw in-play, thats a different thing entirely. like i said, every time i do this the game ends 0-0. its incredible. could be a millionaire just backing the 0-0 on these games. ridiculously unlucky. so then the next time i do it, i think surely to fook i cant be that unlucky to lay a 0-0 that ends 0-0 yet again. theyve not had a sodding 0-0 between em in 12 games (yes i had a quick look at that) bugger it i cant be that unlucky yet again. this will get me 400 or whatever back from what i lost earlier. but it happens time and time again. no matter who i pick at random, 0-0 if they play til christmas. really is incredible.

in the last 2 weeks, ive done this twice. and both games ended 0-0! thats about 100/1 right there. fooking amazing.

Phew! Welcome to the 'psychology club of gambling' Bob!

I can relate to everything you've said cos I'm the same. It's terrible but I feel a lot of hatred towards Nadal cos he's cost me a lot of money over the years. You should hear me scream stuff like "Fukcing wakner!" when I'm watching him!

Don't get me started on Serena!!!

Anyway, telling you to take a break would be unrealistic cos you're a gambler! It would be like taking your hobby/life away!

So, I've had a idea... Why not lower your stakes until you feel like you're in profit???

Good luck!

guess there must be a few of us then, twice this week been 300 up walking about with the chest out like im some sorta god, next day one get beat in a photo or fall late on full tilt mode. After 20 odd years haven't learnt a feckin thing.

Bob just cut out the Cr*p & you'll be ok i feel

You've now got to the stage where you actually feel Entitled to win one (or a few) of these MUG Bets (you know you shouldn't even be bothering with)  and deep down you're determined to smash a couple just to get level & say 'I told ya so'

You need to cut it out , i'm similar with backing unders in running , but i do know what i'm doing so not entirely mug bets .. just brutal instead

I'm a poker player King so know exactly where you're coming from , i introduced Ovalman to Jareds site, book etc

also understanding variance actually helps with sports betting a lot

Keep Disciplined is the Key

He talks about Entitlement a lot , which can be very true !

Fish are gonna beat you , and annoy you , just learn to accept it as part of the 'Job'

You should always learn more from a losing bet than you ever will from a winning one.

Really interesting thread but for me it's all about one thing - discipline. And how right you are Naydam.

it sounds like you're shot to pieces at the moment, and that you're having an Alastiar Cook moment. The variance in gambling can produce bad runs and when your confidence in your own methods gets hit you tend to desert them, try different things, and fail. Impulse then starts to play a much larger part as well as messianic bets (i.e. one to come and save us all - incredibly unlikely and far too much investment). You also tend to become scared of winning, cutting winners early, and accepting of losing - letting losing bets run.

From your posts it seems that all of those things are happening.

The good news is that this is nothing unique, it happens to everyone, for some people it's their gambling existence. Be grateful that you know otherwise.

So how to correct it. Well the simple answer is that you need to start winning again, but winning in the right way, the old way that served you well. Not overstaking on crazy sh1t. The rehabilitation process is long but it works.

You need to find an origin first. By which i mean you need to start from a point where you don't care what's happened before, i.e. your recent losses. In a bad run of form, you are pressed to recoup them through being reckless, and that often makes things worse. You need to write them off. Completely. Time off helps. Paper trading for a short while does too. It varies by individuals. A week, maybe a couple of days?

to continue with the cricketing analogy,you need to go and score the most incredibly dull century imaginable.  the sort of thing that would make Chris Tavare look like Chris Gayle. That means smaller stakes, it's mean in no play betting (your KP switch hit), which you never used to do (even if the odd one turns a good profit, based on what you've said, it's disruptive), and it means betting at about 50% of what you used to do which is probably about 20% of what you do now. Two good pieces of advice to help here:

(i) to ALWAYS not act on the first impulse/selection of the day.

(ii)Be solely concerned about where the next run is coming from, not the next ten, or when you might reach your 50.

Keep track of your bottom line, set incredibly conservative targets (maybe 20% of what you might have expected to make in the past)

Great post DStyle

I was going to say similar in that you need to Accept that money lost is now money lost ... it's Gone !

Now take a step back & go back to Route 1 doing what you do best , stick to it & work your way back up slowly , instead of trying to take joke money back in the heat of the moment

I'm in a similar position football betting myself , i'd have preferred a break this summer instead of a full blown World cup