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No it doesn't. Israel merely wants to live in peace, with the security of its citizens its primary concern. "All this" is driven by the backward medievalism of its neighbours.
About time too. Will be a bit disappointing if there are no civilian casualties though.
cameron wants them to fire at food bank 'scroungers.'
ebulGery 23 Jun 14 09:47
Israel drives all this
Only YOUR opinion of course, you seem to have forgotten to add this, you usually do but perhaps being Israel you thought it unnecessary, perhaps you think on this occasion everyone agrees with you, personally I think its a pathetic statement, only my opinion of course.
Israel drives all this
Only YOUR opinion of course, you seem to have forgotten to add this, you usually do but perhaps being Israel you thought it unnecessary, perhaps you think on this occasion everyone agrees with you, personally I think its a pathetic statement, only my opinion of course.
Getting tired of the anti-Israel posts when you see the lunatics they are surrounded by,
any sympathy long since run out.
any sympathy long since run out.
EVEN IF THEY WERE MADE TO SIT DOWN AND SORT IT ALL OUT .THERE WOULD BE LOADS OF PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES WHO WOULDNT LET IT REST.THOSE WHOSE LOST FAMILIES ON BOTH SIDES WONT LET IT REST
AND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT TO STOP FIGHTING AS THEY MAKE MONEY OUT OF WARS,
AND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT TO STOP FIGHTING AS THEY MAKE MONEY OUT OF WARS,
Aye, Thutmoses III will still be chasing Moses for many eons to come..
ITS BAD ENOUGH LIVING IN SALFORD NETHER MIND LIVING NEAR THE WEST BANK WHERE THEVE GOT TANKS AND ROCKETS.WE DONT REALISE HOW LUCKY WE ARE
THERES PEOPLE WHO WONT GO TO WORK WHERE ITS SAFE IN BRITAIN .NEVER MIND HAVEING TO GO TO WORK WHERE THEY CAN BE BLOWN UP ON THE WAY TO WORK
yes only my opinion of course pumphol apologies
and maybe some of us get fed up with anti Muslim posts lfc 1971
The Jew claim to Palestine seems about 2000 years out of date to me tbh
However they are there now I do not expect them to leave
My objection is when Western countries do their work for them, by taking down strong Arab countries at their request
Iraq, Libya under Gadhafi, and Assad if they could, also constantly destabilising these countries ie Egypt, Iran
...I regard this as morally wrong
I think we should stay away from this region, and let Israel/Arabs sort it out for themselves.
We gave the Jews what they wanted, we cannot take it away, but they have to live with the reality of their situation.
They will fight for what they have, I accept that, but our involvement is wrong
and maybe some of us get fed up with anti Muslim posts lfc 1971
The Jew claim to Palestine seems about 2000 years out of date to me tbh
However they are there now I do not expect them to leave
My objection is when Western countries do their work for them, by taking down strong Arab countries at their request
Iraq, Libya under Gadhafi, and Assad if they could, also constantly destabilising these countries ie Egypt, Iran
...I regard this as morally wrong
I think we should stay away from this region, and let Israel/Arabs sort it out for themselves.
We gave the Jews what they wanted, we cannot take it away, but they have to live with the reality of their situation.
They will fight for what they have, I accept that, but our involvement is wrong
Do wah Diddy • June 23, 2014 1:54 PM BST
THERES PEOPLE WHO WONT GO TO WORK WHERE ITS SAFE IN BRITAIN .NEVER MIND HAVEING TO GO TO WORK WHERE THEY CAN BE BLOWN UP ON THE WAY TO WORK
yes it is increasingly for people to live normal lives, if there is a permanent civil war going on
THERES PEOPLE WHO WONT GO TO WORK WHERE ITS SAFE IN BRITAIN .NEVER MIND HAVEING TO GO TO WORK WHERE THEY CAN BE BLOWN UP ON THE WAY TO WORK
yes it is increasingly for people to live normal lives, if there is a permanent civil war going on
The only war going on in Palestine is the one they've been having amongst themselves for the last thirty years, and of course the one they insist on having with Israel.
That may be
but what are we doing in the Middle East, since basically, it absolutely has nothing to do with us????
but what are we doing in the Middle East, since basically, it absolutely has nothing to do with us????
The UK and the US of A are after chariot contracts..
Sorry ebulGery, but we have not taken anyone down at Israel's request. That is a preposterous notion.
And we should stay away? Equally preposterous, I'm afraid. Of course the West should be involved, it is vital for our energy and security that we have influence in these places, and that if necessary we wield our power to shape events in our favour. That may offend your sensibilities, but it is nonetheless a fact.
Do you really think that Obama will sit back and let a bunch of Salafist loons take over Iraq?
And we should stay away? Equally preposterous, I'm afraid. Of course the West should be involved, it is vital for our energy and security that we have influence in these places, and that if necessary we wield our power to shape events in our favour. That may offend your sensibilities, but it is nonetheless a fact.
Do you really think that Obama will sit back and let a bunch of Salafist loons take over Iraq?
if obomber was that worried he wouldnt have armed them to the teeth in the first place
jed.davison • June 23, 2014 4:00 PM BST
Sorry ebulGery, but we have not taken anyone down at Israel's request. That is a preposterous notion.
No it is not, it is the only explanation I can see.
Who the hell really cares in this country, about what happens in the Middle East....no one
These countries do not have the weapons to threaten us, so they are no threat to us.
Terrorism - they target Israel and their main supporter America, not us.
But because we decides to actually start attacking these countries at Americas request, we are now a target.
We have a large Muslim population, we are very vulnerable. Our government have shown incredible stupidity,
guess who owns most of Media.
This country created Israel. Between WWI and WWII we allowed mass Jewish immigration to Palestine,
then after WWII we gave the Jews half of Palestine, they named it Israel.
The Palestinians and Arab neighbours regarded this as theft, so they attacked, they were defeated.
They forget one thing, the Jews are ex Europeans, they fight the European way, the best.
Traditional Arab inter tribal fighting is no good at this.
We also supply Israel with the latest arms, well America do.
Israel have to fight for survival now. They do it well, for every Israeli that is killed, they kill 100 Arabs in return.
Brutal but effective.
But we must now leave them to it, in fact the whole of the Muslim world. We are too vulnerable ourselves
because of our own Muslim population
just my opinion
Sorry ebulGery, but we have not taken anyone down at Israel's request. That is a preposterous notion.
No it is not, it is the only explanation I can see.
Who the hell really cares in this country, about what happens in the Middle East....no one
These countries do not have the weapons to threaten us, so they are no threat to us.
Terrorism - they target Israel and their main supporter America, not us.
But because we decides to actually start attacking these countries at Americas request, we are now a target.
We have a large Muslim population, we are very vulnerable. Our government have shown incredible stupidity,
guess who owns most of Media.
This country created Israel. Between WWI and WWII we allowed mass Jewish immigration to Palestine,
then after WWII we gave the Jews half of Palestine, they named it Israel.
The Palestinians and Arab neighbours regarded this as theft, so they attacked, they were defeated.
They forget one thing, the Jews are ex Europeans, they fight the European way, the best.
Traditional Arab inter tribal fighting is no good at this.
We also supply Israel with the latest arms, well America do.
Israel have to fight for survival now. They do it well, for every Israeli that is killed, they kill 100 Arabs in return.
Brutal but effective.
But we must now leave them to it, in fact the whole of the Muslim world. We are too vulnerable ourselves
because of our own Muslim population
just my opinion
ebulGery 23 Jun 14 19:33
guess who owns most of Media.
Could you please have the decency to explain this in black & white for me please ?
This country created Israel.
The Palestinians and Arab neighbours regarded this as theft, so they attacked, they were defeated.
You really should read up on your history before coming out with comments like that, for your information the " arab neighbours " wanted neither an Israeli state or palestinian state, Egypt, Trans Jordan, Syria & Iraq among others all attacked both countries as independence was announced, Israel is far from solely to blame for the lack of a palestinian state.
We also supply Israel with the latest arms, well America do.
Selected amnesia I see, an oversight that you have forgotten to mention that Russia supplied all of Israel's neighbours for the last forty years or so but hey why let facts ruin a so called good story
guess who owns most of Media.
Could you please have the decency to explain this in black & white for me please ?
This country created Israel.
The Palestinians and Arab neighbours regarded this as theft, so they attacked, they were defeated.
You really should read up on your history before coming out with comments like that, for your information the " arab neighbours " wanted neither an Israeli state or palestinian state, Egypt, Trans Jordan, Syria & Iraq among others all attacked both countries as independence was announced, Israel is far from solely to blame for the lack of a palestinian state.
We also supply Israel with the latest arms, well America do.
Selected amnesia I see, an oversight that you have forgotten to mention that Russia supplied all of Israel's neighbours for the last forty years or so but hey why let facts ruin a so called good story
This country created Israel. Between WWI and WWII we allowed mass Jewish immigration to Palestine,
then after WWII we gave the Jews half of Palestine, they named it Israel.
The Palestinians and Arab neighbours regarded this as theft, so they attacked, they were defeated.
We (the British) didn't create Israel. We controlled Palestine after WW2 until around 1947 during which time we strictly limited Jewish immigration to Palestine because we didn't want to upset the Arabs.
We then passed the problem to the UN who created Israel
then after WWII we gave the Jews half of Palestine, they named it Israel.
The Palestinians and Arab neighbours regarded this as theft, so they attacked, they were defeated.
We (the British) didn't create Israel. We controlled Palestine after WW2 until around 1947 during which time we strictly limited Jewish immigration to Palestine because we didn't want to upset the Arabs.
We then passed the problem to the UN who created Israel
Anybody with a passing interest should read A Peace To End All Peace by David Fromkin.
The creation of Israel can be traced back to our desire during WW1 to have some sort of Jewish state in place for geo-political reasons. The Holocaust obviously meant that eventually many more sought refuge their which was caused alot more problems.
The creation of Israel can be traced back to our desire during WW1 to have some sort of Jewish state in place for geo-political reasons. The Holocaust obviously meant that eventually many more sought refuge their which was caused alot more problems.
Could you please have the decency to explain this in black & white for me please ?
there is only so much I can do, think for yourself
I think you need to look at your history pumphol
The Balfour declaration the justification for Israel, was made buy this country in 1917
In effect we did create Israel....I hold that by that as well......
you want to look at the Jewish immigration to Palestine between WWI and WW2
We all have our different opinions
Anyway the point I was making we must now stay out of the Middle East for good
what is done, cannot be undone
there is only so much I can do, think for yourself
I think you need to look at your history pumphol
The Balfour declaration the justification for Israel, was made buy this country in 1917
In effect we did create Israel....I hold that by that as well......
you want to look at the Jewish immigration to Palestine between WWI and WW2
We all have our different opinions
Anyway the point I was making we must now stay out of the Middle East for good
what is done, cannot be undone
I will look at that john
As for as peace is concerned, not an outstanding success
As for as peace is concerned, not an outstanding success
tbf it was me, not pumphol, that mentioned the creation of Israel and post-war Jewish immigration
It is a tough read but is worth it. Very enlightening.
The title is a play on what was said about WW1.... 'A war to end all war'
The title is a play on what was said about WW1.... 'A war to end all war'
ebulGery
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Could you please have the decency to explain this in black & white for me please ?
there is only so much I can do, think for yourself
It's not a case of thinking. It's a matter of fact.
BBC and C4 are publicly owned
ITV is a plc so is owned by its shareholders
C5 is owned by Richard Desmond
Sky - Rupert Murdoch
The Times / Sun - Rupert Murdoch
Daily Express - Richard Desmond
Daily Mail - Rothermere?
The other newspapers - not sure. Can you fill in the gaps?
23 Jun 14 21:16
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Could you please have the decency to explain this in black & white for me please ?
there is only so much I can do, think for yourself
It's not a case of thinking. It's a matter of fact.
BBC and C4 are publicly owned
ITV is a plc so is owned by its shareholders
C5 is owned by Richard Desmond
Sky - Rupert Murdoch
The Times / Sun - Rupert Murdoch
Daily Express - Richard Desmond
Daily Mail - Rothermere?
The other newspapers - not sure. Can you fill in the gaps?
There is a notion, that when countries attack other countries, they are bad
when they defend themselves, they are good
On this basis Israel had right on it's side when it defended itself against Arab attacks
even though the Arabs felt they had just cause
When Israel attacked Lebanon they were in the wrong
and I regret to say when we invaded Afghanistan, Iraq and attacked Libya, we of course, were in the wrong
In this country we have made ourselves more vulnerable to terrorist attack, not less
Our Intelligence has had to deal with a considerable number of terrorists plots since our invasion of Iraq
ps nick
Well what do you think Rupert Murdoch is?
I wont go into detail but I do see a bias......in America it is even worse
I even saw an episode of the Simpsons
, which contained anti Saddam propoganda
when they defend themselves, they are good
On this basis Israel had right on it's side when it defended itself against Arab attacks
even though the Arabs felt they had just cause
When Israel attacked Lebanon they were in the wrong
and I regret to say when we invaded Afghanistan, Iraq and attacked Libya, we of course, were in the wrong
In this country we have made ourselves more vulnerable to terrorist attack, not less
Our Intelligence has had to deal with a considerable number of terrorists plots since our invasion of Iraq
ps nick
Well what do you think Rupert Murdoch is?
I wont go into detail but I do see a bias......in America it is even worse
I even saw an episode of the Simpsons
, which contained anti Saddam propoganda
There is also a notion by government and media
that if you tell a lie often enough, it will be believed
sadly I see this happening a lot
I don't believe anything our government and media tell us
that if you tell a lie often enough, it will be believed
sadly I see this happening a lot
I don't believe anything our government and media tell us
I am not trying to be anti Semitic here, just trying to look at this fairly.
Outside Israel, the Jews have received appalling treatment
I can see why they would desperately want their own country, their spiritual homeland
the trouble is after 2000 years, there is a question of whether their claim has lapsed
because somebody else lived their now , the Palestinian Arabs
the real losers in all of this
But I think we have to step out ourselves, this is important
perhaps it will solve itself or whether it will end in Armageddon for the Middle East
I don't know
ps
I do not object to us supplying Israel arms, it is the fighting wars for them I object to
Outside Israel, the Jews have received appalling treatment
I can see why they would desperately want their own country, their spiritual homeland
the trouble is after 2000 years, there is a question of whether their claim has lapsed
because somebody else lived their now , the Palestinian Arabs
the real losers in all of this
But I think we have to step out ourselves, this is important
perhaps it will solve itself or whether it will end in Armageddon for the Middle East
I don't know
ps
I do not object to us supplying Israel arms, it is the fighting wars for them I object to
ebulGery 23 Jun 14 22:31
I do not object to us supplying Israel arms, it is the fighting wars for them I object to
What wars are we fighting for Israel please, can you list them & explain why the west is fighting each of these wars for Israel.
I do not object to us supplying Israel arms, it is the fighting wars for them I object to
What wars are we fighting for Israel please, can you list them & explain why the west is fighting each of these wars for Israel.
ebul when you miss out the just my opinion are we to take this as something different ie it's not your opinion but someone else's. I'm confused.
Iraq now over, Libya over, possibly we started the one in Syria I don't know about that, ok
just my opinion akabula
although you can check my history references
although you can check my history references
We are not fighting in Libya, Russia backed us off, or I think we would be
Hold on Iraq !
I thought the first war was in response to the invasion of Kuwait, Libya nothing to do with Israel whatsoever, then Syria !!!
the last two were to do with the Arab spring nothing to do with Israel, I am actually annoyed with myself for responding to this total crap tbh
I thought the first war was in response to the invasion of Kuwait, Libya nothing to do with Israel whatsoever, then Syria !!!
the last two were to do with the Arab spring nothing to do with Israel, I am actually annoyed with myself for responding to this total crap tbh
seems like 0.2% of the worlds population gets blamed for everything, I'm waiting to see who's first to blame them for world poverty
I am talking about the Invasion of Iraq, nothing to do with Kuwait
Why bring down Gadhafi?
Arab spring, well who knows, you don't know what was behind that
Why bring down Gadhafi?
Arab spring, well who knows, you don't know what was behind that
My comments on the current situation have been censored
I accept Obama is trying to help Iraq though
I accept Obama is trying to help Iraq though
Its not me that blames 0.2 of the world population for everything, its everybody else
if you look at the history of the Jews outside Palestine, have you any idea of the prejudice
which used to exist in this country
But two wrongs never make a right, I not going to pretend things are not happening if they are
it is opinion though
you are free to disagree
if you look at the history of the Jews outside Palestine, have you any idea of the prejudice
which used to exist in this country
But two wrongs never make a right, I not going to pretend things are not happening if they are
it is opinion though
you are free to disagree
ebulGery 23 Jun 14 23:49
Its not me that blames 0.2 of the world population for everything, its everybody else
On that note I bid you goodnight
Its not me that blames 0.2 of the world population for everything, its everybody else
On that note I bid you goodnight
My theories never look so good in the morning, when I am sober
hardly any worse than the WMD claim are they?????????????
At the moment it looks as if Isis are annexing the whole of Northern Iraq, with nobody able to stop them
I have some faith in Obama's motives...but he needs to get this one right
hardly any worse than the WMD claim are they?????????????
At the moment it looks as if Isis are annexing the whole of Northern Iraq, with nobody able to stop them
I have some faith in Obama's motives...but he needs to get this one right
ebul.... thought you said we should leave them all to it... 
did I???
if we had left them alone in the first place none of this would be happening
we should not make it worse
if we can make it better fine, I can see one way perhaps, but post would be censored
neither am I the president on the United States
if we had left them alone in the first place none of this would be happening
we should not make it worse
if we can make it better fine, I can see one way perhaps, but post would be censored
neither am I the president on the United States
My suggestion for making it better was partition
...which if you think, is what in effect is happening now
but if I go in to this too much my post is censored.
...which if you think, is what in effect is happening now
but if I go in to this too much my post is censored.
Are you talking about Israel or Iraq?
I will admit, you lost me from 23:49 last night
I will admit, you lost me from 23:49 last night
That's the Witching hour or for some the wish I never had a drink hour.
ebulGery 23 Jun 14 23:43
Arab spring, well who knows, you don't know what was behind that
Well could be people were slightly fed up of dictatorships & rose up against it, whatever you think of Israel it was the only democracy in the region at the time & would not have been behind this, I am surprised anyone drunk or sober could think that.
Arab spring, well who knows, you don't know what was behind that
Well could be people were slightly fed up of dictatorships & rose up against it, whatever you think of Israel it was the only democracy in the region at the time & would not have been behind this, I am surprised anyone drunk or sober could think that.
I have clearly said Iraq..now
what has happened in the past has happened
How does one bring peace to this region?
My suggestion , if they let me post is
draw a strong defensive line around Shia and Kurdish areas, supported by full US air power
you have in effect got a partitioned country.....we may want to leave it like that
in terms of long term peace
what has happened in the past has happened
How does one bring peace to this region?
My suggestion , if they let me post is
draw a strong defensive line around Shia and Kurdish areas, supported by full US air power
you have in effect got a partitioned country.....we may want to leave it like that
in terms of long term peace
ebulGery 24 Jun 14 10:44
My theories never look so good in the morning, when I am sober
To be honest I have to take that with a pinch of salt, I agree you can get some bravado when you drink to much but you were sober enough to draw the line so not to get banned.
My theories never look so good in the morning, when I am sober
To be honest I have to take that with a pinch of salt, I agree you can get some bravado when you drink to much but you were sober enough to draw the line so not to get banned.
While waiting for some more plausible theory here, I still prefer my theory
it is certainly not proven in any way...I am not stating facts....
we debate on here surely...drunk or sober
it is certainly not proven in any way...I am not stating facts....
we debate on here surely...drunk or sober
Sadly partitioning Palestine never worked, just made it worse
so I am only putting forward a suggestion
so I am only putting forward a suggestion
Well could be people were slightly fed up of dictatorships & rose up against it, whatever you think of Israel it was the only democracy in the region at the time & would not have been behind this, I am surprised anyone drunk or sober could think that.
Iraq did not need democracy forced on it by war
Democracy is fine when it works, useless when it does not
We caused them great harm
Looking at the latest news it appears Obama appears to think the Sunnis were being discriminated against, he is not
looking to get militarily involved. Suggests it was not working
Iraq did not need democracy forced on it by war
Democracy is fine when it works, useless when it does not
We caused them great harm
Looking at the latest news it appears Obama appears to think the Sunnis were being discriminated against, he is not
looking to get militarily involved. Suggests it was not working
Arab Spring was not a bad idea. But did not have the popular support you may thought.
Still it seems to have brought beneficial changes to some societies
In Syria it all went horribly wrong.
Still it seems to have brought beneficial changes to some societies
In Syria it all went horribly wrong.
I will tell you why it went wrong in Syria, because Assad was so heavily armed by Russia they were never in a position to really lose total grip, I would be surprised if the aid Syria receives from Russia does not far outweigh any other middle eastern country they supply arms too.
I agree with that pumphol
as far as I can see, Obama is saying he will only support democracy in Iraq
if it is democracy..he sees discrimination against the Sunnis
I think he is right to do this
It is back on the government of Iraq now, their decision
as far as I can see, Obama is saying he will only support democracy in Iraq
if it is democracy..he sees discrimination against the Sunnis
I think he is right to do this
It is back on the government of Iraq now, their decision
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