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Mc Moonbeam
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end up playing Roulette or Blackjack , even Craps for the High Rollers !

Do they know something we don't know about margins / percentages ?

or is it just a case of being able to bet in huge amounts ?
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Report Mc Moonbeam • June 21, 2014 2:49 AM BST
Just shows they will withstand a Bet ... but not a viable Trade
Report paddletoe • June 21, 2014 2:56 AM BST
still up but yes moonbeam if your betting on a world cup match you should not have any trouble getting as much as you want on the main result. A sub market but not so much in the world cup but lets say in a minor event which can be manipulated or a market where you may know more than a trader will have a limited max bet.
By the way, not sure if you can help moonbeam ( maybe you too pugpunter ) but do you know anything about how to conceal your computer isp from a third party....such as an online bookmaker. Just someone I know was curious to find out.
Report PugMunter1 • June 21, 2014 2:58 AM BST
yes its nice to hear

my plan is to work pt in a "normal job" and then the rest on here

would be ideal
Report PugMunter1 • June 21, 2014 3:01 AM BST
yes you certainly can

you can still log in from your comp but there are various programmes that hide your ip

having a look just now
Report PugMunter1 • June 21, 2014 3:03 AM BST
another way round is accessing the the betting site via a 3gp signal (mobile fone)
Report paddletoe • June 21, 2014 3:04 AM BST
By the way lads there is a very interesting bookmaker related post on the irish forum (not sure if its still on the front page) about a certain well known irish bookmaker who took around a million I think from an online punter who had been stealing the money from his job as a post office manager. How the post office did not know such an amount could be missing is another matter. But it shows how differently bookmakers treat different customers. They wined and dined this losing customer and got him tickets for all sorts of big sporting events. Legal case about it at the minute. Shoocking case which has not received much publicity.
Report Mc Moonbeam • June 21, 2014 3:06 AM BST
you need a Proxy server paddletoe , which will act as your isp under a diff one

there's lots of freeware about now but if you're serious about it i'd pay for a decent proxy
Report thegiggilo • June 21, 2014 3:08 AM BST
I had over 400 accounts over the last 18 months,the 365 usually last 2 weeks...
Report PugMunter1 • June 21, 2014 3:09 AM BST
he also needs something to hide cookies mc

afaik a proxy server eliminates some of the risk and not all

but help is at hand

i read something along these lines a few days ago bear with me
Report paddletoe • June 21, 2014 3:15 AM BST
Best of luck to you pug. I cant give you much advice other than to say you need be disciplined and be good with money management. I have not worked a proper job in I don't know how many years but before a light went off in my head and I learned those things I was a losing punter. Have not had a losing year in a good many years now but even now old habits die hard and I have a chasing day once every day. The advantage that you have over a bookmaker is that they need to price up everything but you only need to bet when things are in your favour. Some days I might spend a few hours looking around for some value and I wont have a bet. You need to resist the temptation to go looking for bets that are not there.
Really better go now but very nice chatting with you Pug. Very nice to catch up with you again Moonbeam. You need to be more positive about things away from gambling Moonbeam if you don't mind me saying so. I mean that in a spirit of friendship. You can be a cranky so and so at times!!!!
Report paddletoe • June 21, 2014 3:16 AM BST
a chasing day once every year or so that should be. A chasing day every day would not be very good......
Report PugMunter1 • June 21, 2014 3:16 AM BST
deleting your cookies is a must everytime before you log into bookie acc

log in using a proxy

or use 3g from your mobile


if they manage to catch you then speaj to an IT prof who will sort it out for you

give him 50-75 quid for his trouble and your sorted
Report paddletoe • June 21, 2014 3:20 AM BST
thanks for that help pug. I do delete cookies but I think I will see an it specialist. Have enough accounts to do me at the moment as a few are deep in the red which is helpful.

night everyone.
Report PugMunter1 • June 21, 2014 3:22 AM BST
nite pt
Report Mc Moonbeam • June 21, 2014 3:23 AM BST
have a google about it mate , plenty on there , personally i don't trust freeware , but that's just me Scared  lol
Report thegiggilo • June 21, 2014 3:30 AM BST
I could just bert at sp and win fortunes,but I don't spend much time on betfair markets but I have figures at sp since last October to present winning 730 points at prices taken and 326 at sp grand a pop on here 326k another 4 months till full 12 months as well.
Report Mc Moonbeam • June 21, 2014 3:44 AM BST
do you only ever bet on horses giggilo ?

I remember you saying you worked 18 hour days , i assume most of that is studying form as prices don't last that long Happy
Report thegiggilo • June 21, 2014 3:50 AM BST
18 hour days in the summer once the aw stsrts takes a couple of hours and I can win 10x more,just since Tuesday I've sent out to a few on here 6/1,17/2,10/1,12/1,3/1 and 10/30 winners this week most of those were on the aw a couple at ascot..The prices won't last long as imove the markets usually within the hour the night before,i can tell you the sps the night before in a lot of instances..
Report thegiggilo • June 21, 2014 3:53 AM BST
Yes only horses my edge is I'm just better thanh everyone else at doing the form I do all speed ratings for 2yr olds and 3yr olds and I plough into multiple bets to win bombs trying to get decent singles on is a waste of time.Although like I said I should be on here betting at sp potentially I could win 3/4 million on here easily a year.
Report Mc Moonbeam • June 21, 2014 4:16 AM BST
you seem very good , are you a known gambler or just a private kinda guy ?

there's not alway markets priced up the night before though are they , and little money on here left up

I can just imagine the stampede when you send your emails out Crazy

I can't quite understand though how you'll work 18 hour days allt hrough summer but can't be bothered to earn 3/4 million on here Confused

I'd  work for you for 50k
Report Mc Moonbeam • June 21, 2014 4:35 AM BST
sry didn't mean to be nosey

but what you can do is most gamblers dream , i know you don't need the money but think you should hammer it for all you can if you're that confident 

I make my money as a pro poker player but i'll end up in a mental asylum with the morons i have to deal with hour after hour , to make even 100k year doing what you do i'd be over the Moon
Report thegiggilo • June 22, 2014 12:06 AM BST
Can't sit infront of betfair markets all day as I have 2yr old I look after as well,like I said I'm trying to win fortunes through multiples placepots etc.The only reason I bet now is to have a hit of a 1/4 million on a multiple for example I'm not really interested in sitting infront of betfair markets allday taking half the original prices,thats why I keep two days ahead on the form so all my bets are on by the following morning at the latest..
I've had loads of multiples up over the last 9 months given kennyman quite a few with 4/5 winners in,before I pack in I want to hit a massive multiple the likelihood though is it will be on the aw.
Report doantwin2easy • June 22, 2014 12:27 AM BST
did he forget to mention he was modest too
Report sideshowbob • June 22, 2014 12:34 AM BST
they dont. hth.
Report doantwin2easy • June 22, 2014 12:36 AM BST
who don't
Report call me a taxi • June 22, 2014 12:54 AM BST
I won £4 yesterday.
Report doantwin2easy • June 22, 2014 12:58 AM BST
to make a claim that you're "better that everyone else at doing the form" is a bit of a joke. Sure he's very good but you can't compare yourself to your mates or a bunch of horse racing forumites.
Report kenny mann • June 22, 2014 1:02 AM BST
He is good. Moves the market faster than Hugh Taylor and often comes up with the same bet as Hugh but 12 hours earlier!
Report doantwin2easy • June 22, 2014 1:05 AM BST
many of us are good Kenny. most of you on here don't read the horse racing forum. i come on here for a bit of slap and tickle.
Report kenny mann • June 22, 2014 1:13 AM BST
Who's the chap who specializes in Hunter chases on horse racing? Haven't seen him for ages. Knows Bruce Springsteen.
Report doantwin2easy • June 22, 2014 1:16 AM BST
koikeeper Kenny

28/03/2014    0010742    Super Heinz (Each-Way)    240    £ 48.00    14:30    Race winner    Warbond    3/1    £ 1,074.01
    0010742    Super Heinz (Each-Way)    240    £ 48.00    16:05    Race winner    Multitask    11/8    £ 1,074.01
    0010742    Super Heinz (Each-Way)    240    £ 48.00    16:40    Race winner    Picansort    10/3    £ 1,074.01
    0010742    Super Heinz (Each-Way)    240    £ 48.00    17:15    Race winner    Almargo    11/8    £ 1,074.01
    0010742    Super Heinz (Each-Way)    240    £ 48.00    14:20    Race winner    Nesterenko    11/10    £ 1,074.01
    0010742    Super Heinz (Each-Way)    240    £ 48.00    18:15    Race winner    Fine Cut    11/4    £ 1,074.01
    0010742    Super Heinz (Each-Way)    240    £ 48.00    21:15    Race winner    Sinndar Desert    3/1    £ 1,074.01

i've had a few accounts too. one for The Gig here.
Report kenny mann • June 22, 2014 1:19 AM BST
koilkeeper, no that's not him unless he's changed his name.

Will be mid 60s.
Report thegiggilo • June 22, 2014 1:32 AM BST
Kohaku he's on the email..
Report kenny mann • June 22, 2014 1:37 AM BST
I thought it was. Does he still use the same forum name?
Report thegiggilo • June 22, 2014 1:41 AM BST
He doesn't post anymore,think he has to look after his wife as she's unwell..
Report kenny mann • June 22, 2014 1:43 AM BST
Oh dear, thanks giggilo. See how good I am. St Gregory to go off about 5/1 tomorrow.
Report kincsem • June 22, 2014 6:04 AM BST
Almost all use of money is gambling.  Some just spend foolishly, without thought.
When shopping for a large cost item most people do a bit of research.  Some don't bother.

The best gambler, the investor Warren Buffet, only moves when things are heavily in his favour.
It is still a gamble.  Nothing is certain.
He says "I like to shoot fish in a barrel, preferably after the water has run out".

People who gamble on thinks with a fixed house percentage against them have no excuse.
Report kenny mann • June 22, 2014 5:04 PM BST
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Oh dear, thanks giggilo. See how good I am. St Gregory to go off about 5/1 tomorrow.

SP 5/1 8/1 when listed Wink
Report kenny mann • June 22, 2014 5:07 PM BST
wins by a distance
Report thegiggilo • June 23, 2014 1:16 AM BST
What was that an irish race never heard of it.i rarely look at irish racing bar 2yr olds or 3yr olds nice winner though..
Report thegiggilo • June 23, 2014 8:00 PM BST
What a day!!Cool
Report thegiggilo • June 24, 2014 8:53 PM BST
Cool
Report Mc Moonbeam • June 24, 2014 11:52 PM BST
Not for this guy Sad

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590845/Professional-gambler-dead-fl...
Report Mc Moonbeam • June 24, 2014 11:54 PM BST
or me for that matter ... gotta quit Football betting it's such a mugs game .. i used to do well but every bet just gets lit on fire nowadays .. lost a fortune on this world cup .. don't even wanna watch another game Blush
Report thegiggilo • June 25, 2014 12:51 AM BST
Sent you a pm.Silly
Report Mc Moonbeam • June 25, 2014 1:31 AM BST
ty giggilo .. appreciated Cool
Report thegiggilo • July 1, 2014 12:59 AM BST
Cool
Report thegiggilo • July 2, 2014 10:12 PM BST
Cool
Report Mc Moonbeam • July 2, 2014 10:24 PM BST
Cool
Report Smiley_Jack • July 3, 2014 9:04 AM BST
Cool I challenge thegiggilo to a tipping competition, I am certain that I am a better form studier than he is. I too have a young children, however, I can afford to live in a big house with plenty of space and employ a nanny to look after the kids when I need to do my job as a pro gambler. I do all this and still don't need to spend anywhere near 18 hours studying form

Any racecard any day, any format of competition, you choose.
Report naydam • July 3, 2014 9:17 AM BST
Aye! And I'll have a go as well...just let me find my lucky pin first! Grin
Report Ted Brogan • July 3, 2014 9:59 AM BST
The reason high rollers will often play games such as blackjack (in bricks and mortar casinos at least) is because often there is a conflict of interest or lack of communication between the department responsible for dishing out out all the freebies/perks/comps etc and those in charge of the gaming floor.

For example, if you are a high roller, then in most casinos in the likes of Vegas/Macau etc, you can agree to certain house rules with the casinos (particularly blackjack or baccarat), which can reduce their edge significantly (assuming 'perfect' blackjack is played), and sometimes even tip it slightly in your favour.

You can therefore effectively play for all the free stuff (drinks, meals, flights, hotel rooms, shows etc etc) and pay little or nothing for it, and even come out ahead.

Never underestimate the desire and willingness of rich people to want free stuff :)
Report thegiggilo • July 4, 2014 1:05 AM BST
You are as much a pro gambler as my granny smiley jack,give me 250k upfront and i'll challenge you all day long..Shocked
Report crags • July 4, 2014 1:33 AM BST
There are no big gamblers on chit chat... NAP
Report PugMunter1 • July 4, 2014 1:37 AM BST
gamblin is hard

just a life of highs and lows without an edge


Cry
Report thegiggilo • July 4, 2014 1:55 AM BST
More than a dodecahedron!!Cool
Report PugMunter1 • July 4, 2014 2:06 AM BST
only 5% of betfarians are in profit

and these are mostly all the fast pic boys
Report jerseyboy • July 4, 2014 1:26 PM BST
Smiley Jack you would not have a cat in hells chance..
Report Mc Moonbeam • July 5, 2014 1:23 AM BST
Only fast pics i get are on Playboy tv chat
Report thegiggilo • July 5, 2014 2:19 AM BST
PugMunter1
     04 Jul 14 02:06   
only 5% of betfarians are in profit

and these are mostly all the fast pic boys


Mainly mugs stealing buttons who know next to nothing about form,most of them going broke within a small time frame,there's probably one or two of the older pros that do it out of boredom in retirement that make money the opthers go bust..
Report kenny mann • July 5, 2014 2:34 AM BST
morning giggilo. I got the 8/1 with a new PP a/c thanks. Last a/c with them lasted 10 days.
Report thegiggilo • July 5, 2014 5:47 PM BST
What a dandy dayShockedalmost monster treble!!!!Cool
Report thegiggilo • July 5, 2014 11:10 PM BST
You'll be lucky if this new one lasts that long!!Silly
Report thegiggilo • July 7, 2014 8:22 PM BST
Any left??Shocked,great start to the week!!
Report kenny mann • July 7, 2014 9:38 PM BST
yes it was a good day, ta very much. I got a new set a week ago but you're ruining them, lol. Running out of my mates now so the next one could be tricky. Fred closed me after 6 days despite losing considerably, although we know they don't go on win or lose.
Report kenny mann • July 7, 2014 9:43 PM BST
Got Tower Power 4/1 Fair Ranger 11/2 and Misplaced Fortune 9/2 for tomorrow with lads
Report call me a taxi • July 7, 2014 11:03 PM BST
Are these tip to win, or prices that will shorten?
Report kenny mann • July 7, 2014 11:22 PM BST
Shorten, but if you back all the overpriced ones you can't fail to win.
Report kenny mann • July 7, 2014 11:26 PM BST
Easier said than done, mind. Getting on is the really hard part.
Report kenny mann • July 7, 2014 11:31 PM BST
Towere Power now 3/1 other 2 holding up with lads.
Report thegiggilo • July 8, 2014 1:28 AM BST
What made you back those at those prices..
Report kenny mann • July 8, 2014 11:16 AM BST
software suggested they would come down, giggilo. Doesn't always work but usually pretty accurate. All 3 are lower now.
Report kenny mann • July 8, 2014 11:23 AM BST
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Got Tower Power 4/1 Fair Ranger 11/2 and Misplaced Fortune 9/2 for tomorrow with lads

now top priced 3/1  4/1 and 7/2 respectively. No nr in any race.
Report The Leopard • July 8, 2014 11:58 AM BST

Jul 8, 2014 -- 5:16AM, kenny mann wrote:


software suggested they would come down, giggilo. Doesn't always work but usually pretty accurate. All 3 are lower now.


What software, Kenny?

Report kenny mann • July 8, 2014 12:44 PM BST
I'd rather keep that to myself, leopard. Just google arbitrage sites, there's loads out there.
Report kenny mann • July 8, 2014 12:53 PM BST
although strictly speaking it's not arb' software I'm using.
Report The Leopard • July 8, 2014 1:23 PM BST
Okay
Report thegiggilo • July 9, 2014 2:59 PM BST
Sweating there kennyman the others were just in screen on my 4ft screen!!Shocked
Report kenny mann • July 9, 2014 3:41 PM BST
Didn't see it giggilo, trying to do a dozen things at once. I thought you levelled off. Thanks anyway, nice trade although I could only get on with Joe so couldn't go too mad.
Report thegiggilo • July 9, 2014 4:41 PM BST
In goes the 7/1 shot rick of the year 30/1 double again!!!!Shocked
Report kenny mann • July 9, 2014 5:39 PM BST
why are lads so slow at adjusting books after nr? people will think they're getting 13/8 st patricks day in 7-30 naas
Report kenny mann • July 9, 2014 6:53 PM BST
Tomorrow, angelic upstart 5/1 and starlight serenade 7/1 both lads dr parkes 8/1 coral
Report thegiggilo • July 9, 2014 7:38 PM BST
You didn't try trading the 7/1 winner did you,unreal they had it on a mark of 75 looks more like a 90 horse I made it a 6/4 shot,the best value bet I've seen all year,thought the 7/2 was huge..
Report kenny mann • July 9, 2014 8:49 PM BST
no, small bet gigillo, or should I call you Sir? Happy
Report thegiggilo • July 9, 2014 10:23 PM BST
I can only remember one bet in the last 5 years where something I liked has doubled in price and won,you could've had as much as you liked on at 6/1 on here,like I say on the mails the aws different class if you lok at my strike rate on the aw compared to the turf it must be 60% on picks the last month.Waste of time the turf,for the amount of work I have to do that's why I do lots of multiples just to try and increase the little bit of value there is and half the time the bets get screwed by the ground anyway or you're guessing what the ground will be.Sooner they get the aw track at Newcastle running the better..ShockedWinkWink
Report kenny mann • July 9, 2014 10:37 PM BST
yeh, the aw results were staggering.
Report call me a taxi • July 9, 2014 10:54 PM BST
Are these tips free? Happy
Report kenny mann • July 9, 2014 10:55 PM BST
For a select group, yes. Wink
Report call me a taxi • July 9, 2014 10:57 PM BST
I'm special, my mum said so. Laugh
Report kenny mann • July 9, 2014 11:00 PM BST
Trouble is you're betting accounts don't last long. They're running scared these days as it is.
Report kenny mann • July 9, 2014 11:01 PM BST
Mine don't last long without giggilo's help. lol
Report call me a taxi • July 9, 2014 11:07 PM BST
I haven't got any now.
Betfair only.
Report thegiggilo • July 11, 2014 9:20 AM BST
Jack dexter 40/1 july cup grounds now soft price is an insult looks like going off around 16s to me could well be big gamble 365/victor/888/lads/unibet/32red...
Report thegiggilo • July 11, 2014 10:07 AM BST
Shocked
Report thegiggilo • July 11, 2014 8:19 PM BST
Didn't take long 20/1...CoolShocked
Report call me a taxi • July 11, 2014 8:23 PM BST
I should have looked in here this morning. Sad
Report thegiggilo • July 12, 2014 1:04 AM BST
May drift back out yet if ground drys,anymore rain it would've been 16s or shorter.All depending on the big race of the forthcoming weekends i'll stick up something that looks way overpriced some may price up on a Thursday,will always be a handicap..
Report thegiggilo • July 12, 2014 11:14 PM BST
Another winning day..Cool
Report thegiggilo • July 15, 2014 4:55 PM BST
You done the multi kennyman another treble!Shocked
Report thegiggilo • July 19, 2014 3:08 AM BST
Commanding presence was 20/1 when I sent it out,speculative but if the rain arrives could well go off 10 maybe 8/1Shocked currentl 16/1 with 365/ppower..
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