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FredRescue
19 Jun 14 01:12
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Yet Blair and George Bush walk around as free men Scared
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Report ebulGery • June 19, 2014 1:23 AM BST
wait till their 89MischiefLaugh
Report ebulGery • June 19, 2014 1:27 AM BST
I think it is appropriate , he will just die in prison hospital
I would regard it as vindictive if they pass a death sentence, still American justice is based on vindictiveness
Report ebulGery • June 19, 2014 1:28 AM BST
how long as he got to live anyway?
Report akabula • June 19, 2014 2:07 AM BST
Doesn't matter. The pity is that it took them so long.
Report ebulGery • June 19, 2014 2:48 AM BST
He is being extradited back to Germany I see
Report MisterBadger • June 19, 2014 3:21 AM BST
Why has the OP put "Auschwitz Guard" in quotation marks - is he/she implying that the person in question was not a guard at Auschwitz?  Confused
Report moisok • June 19, 2014 11:25 AM BST
Has he been linked to UKIP yet!!??
Report johnnythebull • June 19, 2014 11:42 AM BST
LaughLaughLaugh
Report Ampleforth • June 19, 2014 11:45 AM BST
any current uk soldiers are in danger of being arrested in 60 years time when the muslim brotherhood have won World War III and therefore get to decide who will go down in the history books as the 'bad guys'.
Report akabula • June 19, 2014 11:50 AM BST
Cry
Report breadnbutter • June 19, 2014 12:46 PM BST

Jun 18, 2014 -- 7:27PM, ebulGery wrote:


I think it is appropriate , he will just die in prison hospitalI would regard it as vindictive if they pass a death sentence, still American justice is based on vindictiveness


American justice is actually sport based ...three strikes and your out .

Report johnnythebull • June 19, 2014 2:18 PM BST
Ampleforth     19 Jun 14 11:45 
any current uk soldiers are in danger of being arrested in 60 years time when the muslim brotherhood have won World War III and therefore get to decide who will go down in the history books as the 'bad guys'.

they won't need any WW 111 they're being allowed 2 do it
they don't even have 2 do so insidiously
Report ebulGery • June 19, 2014 2:30 PM BST
I see breadnbutter
..would you say this chap has had his three?
Report breadnbutter • June 19, 2014 8:00 PM BST
that would need to be established but i dont think the nazis would have used anything but trusted officers at Auschwitz ,although the finer detail of ww11 is still a works in progress for me ,expesially what happened towards the end and the aftermath .
still trying to get a decent  understanding of  how ww1 started .

would be interesting to know how he escaped Poland/Germany  , and where he has been all this time .

if you commit horrific crimes time should have no bearing on justice being served

i note they use the term "guard" as if to imply some innocence or no direct connection with the crimes committed .
Report Dotchinite • June 19, 2014 8:05 PM BST
I doubt he could have been much of an officer given his age when the war ended.
Report ebulGery • June 20, 2014 12:10 AM BST
I don't think it was actually a crime to be a guard at one of these camps
they may well have been ordered

The people who were brought to justice tended to be those in senior positions, or an individual
who a survivor of these camps, could attest to performing brutal act/s of cruelty or murder

Anyone caught within about 20 years of WWII ending, would have faced execution
You could argue they should still, but at 89, this is unedifying
they finish their life in prison(probably prison hospital) that is justice, in my opinion
Report ebulGery • June 20, 2014 12:12 AM BST
If he actually lives long enough to be extradited back to Germany and be brought to trial
he would face life imprisonment
Report ebulGery • June 20, 2014 12:18 AM BST
One of these camps that was liberated, the Americans were so shocked with what they saw,
they shot any remaining guards on the spot , one could hardly blame them

I visited Belsen when I was younger, it is kept as a memorial,
the pictures are like nothing you would ever want to see
Report ebulGery • June 20, 2014 12:27 AM BST
The question is often asked did the Germans know about these camps?

My own view, they saw Jews disappearing, they knew something bad was happening to them, but they chose not to know any more
they could have done nothing, they would have just ended up there themselves...
also they were fighting a war and being bombed every night, that would have been their main concern

just my own opinion
Report ebulGery • June 20, 2014 12:38 AM BST
If only someone had told Hitler when he was a young he was a good artist and not crap
...then that is what he might have stayed
it may well have saved the world an awful lot of pain and suffering
Report FredRescue • June 21, 2014 11:44 AM BST
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The question is often asked did the Germans know about these camps?


Because the only ones with gas chambers were in Poland?

Belsen was not a "death" camp, it became overcrowded at the end of the war as more prisoners were transported west by the Germans to avoid them falling into Soviet hands. Allies bombed the water supply at Belsen which enabled typhus and other diseases to spread more rapidly.

About half of all deaths at Belsen occured after the British took over control at the camp.

Prison camps were not seen as bad by the general population helped by propaganda fed to them, why would they have done anything about them?
Report STUDYFORM • June 21, 2014 12:30 PM BST
Lest it ever be forgot.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

It doesn't matter how old this man is, or what condition he's in. He should be punished for taking any role in this, whether ordered to or not.
Report Poppydog. • June 21, 2014 1:30 PM BST
Poor bloke must have been a teenager who didn't know whether he was coming or going
Report akabula • June 21, 2014 2:06 PM BST
The pity is that he had a life after Auschwitz.
Report FredRescue • June 21, 2014 3:21 PM BST
Of course if it can be proven he is a war criminal then he should face to consequences.

The point is authorities have known about him for years and done nothing, why now when the events were so long ago?

And why do they not chase known war criminals like Bush and Blair were evidence is more recent and clear?
Report terry mccann • June 21, 2014 4:25 PM BST
dont think they were told to work at these places,easier to be there than fight on the front line for some at least
Report Howdi • June 21, 2014 5:51 PM BST
Sick or reading Blair and Bush were war criminals, misguided maybe, but war criminals, no
Report themightymac • June 21, 2014 6:37 PM BST
No matter what his age, he should be punished if guilty but If he had been a rocket scientist using forced labour or a member of the SD with files on the Russians, he would have been ok. Hypocrites the lot of them.
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 8:50 PM BST
Belsen was not a "death" camp,

take a visit there, see the pictures, judge for yourself fred

the people we found were in such an appalling state of starvation, it was not easy to save their lives
because they could no longer eat normal food...if they eat a chocolate bar they would suffer an agonising death, it happened
they had to start on a very weak liquid diet, they were wide open to every disease going

I find it rather offensive that you suggest, we the british, were responsible for Belsen, not the Nazis
I accept your point some of the prisoners had come from Auschwitz...but you really need to visit it

I think Germans did 'suspect' some appalling things were going at these camps....
they kept themselves from knowing everything out of an instinct of self preservation I think
Report rob_dylan • June 21, 2014 9:00 PM BST
The real criminals are those that voted for blair post the iraq war imo.  89yo,  ffs he was just a kid.
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 9:02 PM BST
The Waffen SS were programmed to hate Jews...they did
initially one their job was to execute large numbers of Jews, by shooting

It started to affect these men so badly, it had to be  stopped, although there were some Waffen SS who willingly
continued to commit atrocities throughout the war, by no means all though
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 9:09 PM BST
It is difficult to know what men worked at these camps. There is no doubt plenty enjoyed the cruelty.
I think this is humanity behaving at its vilest, although sadly we get there in small steps. Maybe some guards did not indulge
they just switched their emotions off? I don't think any guard dared to show humanity to the Jews..
otherwise they would have been in there with them.

Some woman may have got favours from guards in return for sex.
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 9:11 PM BST
There were a very few Jews who had skills the Germans needed. They would have been treated better,
it was necessary to keep them alive
Report ebulGery • June 21, 2014 9:18 PM BST
I think there some sensible Germans, some high up, who asked the question, what exactly is the point of this?
Surely we need these people to help us, work for us, after all, we have a war to win here,
they were usually discouraged though

Hitler's policy against the Jews was also self defeating, if he wanted to win a war. All the best
Jewish scientist left for America for a start, where they worked against Germany, not for them.
Jewish men and women would have helped Germany as they did in WWI
Hitler was completely insane, and evil of course.
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