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The government have pledged to solve problems with primary school education "within a generation". Gove also intends to punish the parents of truants more heavily.
Well, it won't work. It won't work until such time as more entrants into primary school can actually speak English. And it won't work until such time as teachers and parents can actually administer proper punishment to kids who play truant against their parents wishes.
I cannot understand what the hell was ever supposed to be wrong with 'old-style' teaching and 'old-style' parenting.
Well, it won't work. It won't work until such time as more entrants into primary school can actually speak English. And it won't work until such time as teachers and parents can actually administer proper punishment to kids who play truant against their parents wishes.
I cannot understand what the hell was ever supposed to be wrong with 'old-style' teaching and 'old-style' parenting.
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On Matthew Wrights programme the other day
(I like to watch so I can get myself into a foul mood for the day)
He was talking about how percentage passes for exams are getting higher every year, and asked the inevitable question 'Are the youngsters of today a lot brighter than we were at school?'
He doesn't believe it, and neither do I.
He then read out a question from an official maths exam paper.
'Listen to this question' he said 'and I kid you not, it's here in front of me. Are you ready....Write down twelve thousand four hundred and fifty, in numbers.'
And then he stared at the camera in disbelief.
Then they went on to discuss the vast array of courses at Universities and Colleges.
Want an exam pass in sports?
Try this for a tough question from the exam, and he read it out:
'Old Trafford, the home of Manchester United, is a famous sporting venue. Name another one.'
This is what kids are passing as exams ffs.
If those two questions represent the level required for an exam pass, I should go to college and get myself a string of A's, and then put them where they deserve to be placed, which is on a facking bonfire.
(I like to watch so I can get myself into a foul mood for the day)
He was talking about how percentage passes for exams are getting higher every year, and asked the inevitable question 'Are the youngsters of today a lot brighter than we were at school?'
He doesn't believe it, and neither do I.
He then read out a question from an official maths exam paper.
'Listen to this question' he said 'and I kid you not, it's here in front of me. Are you ready....Write down twelve thousand four hundred and fifty, in numbers.'
And then he stared at the camera in disbelief.
Then they went on to discuss the vast array of courses at Universities and Colleges.
Want an exam pass in sports?
Try this for a tough question from the exam, and he read it out:
'Old Trafford, the home of Manchester United, is a famous sporting venue. Name another one.'
This is what kids are passing as exams ffs.
If those two questions represent the level required for an exam pass, I should go to college and get myself a string of A's, and then put them where they deserve to be placed, which is on a facking bonfire.
Parents should be the ones punished more harshly for truancy imo.
Currently it is viewed as the school's responsibility to get the kids to school and they are punished by OFSTED if their attendance % drops below 95. This is absolute madness in my view.
Currently it is viewed as the school's responsibility to get the kids to school and they are punished by OFSTED if their attendance % drops below 95. This is absolute madness in my view.
A lot of absences in primary schools, which I think will be a major part in the figures, are caused by parents who go on holiday during the school term. Given the way that thieving bastards in holiday camps and hotels put up all their prices in the 6 weeks summer holiday, this is hardly surprising.
Cheltenham and the surrounding areas do exactly the same when the Festival is on. If you want to stay, you have to pay.
Senior school absenteeism is a different story. I don't think that many parents take their kids on holiday in term time once they pass the age of 11.
You can only take your child as far as the school gates. Once they're in, you leave, and you hope they stay there all day. If they don't, that's the fault of the school imo, not the parent.
I played truant loads of times in senior school (1960s) but I always went to the correct class and got my 'mark' on the register first, then I'd vanish.
I'd get a bollocking from my form teacher the next day, but at the end of term my attendance record showed no absences, so my parents never found out.
Mind you, I went to a good school where everybody spoke English.
There were no such things as 'Teacher Training Days' like my daughters had in senior school in the 1990s, when their teacher went missing, and they got a teacher who knew next to nothing about the subject they were supposed to be learning. 'Read a book for 45 minutes' was the popular option by stand-in teachers.
Cheltenham and the surrounding areas do exactly the same when the Festival is on. If you want to stay, you have to pay.
Senior school absenteeism is a different story. I don't think that many parents take their kids on holiday in term time once they pass the age of 11.
You can only take your child as far as the school gates. Once they're in, you leave, and you hope they stay there all day. If they don't, that's the fault of the school imo, not the parent.
I played truant loads of times in senior school (1960s) but I always went to the correct class and got my 'mark' on the register first, then I'd vanish.
I'd get a bollocking from my form teacher the next day, but at the end of term my attendance record showed no absences, so my parents never found out.
Mind you, I went to a good school where everybody spoke English.
There were no such things as 'Teacher Training Days' like my daughters had in senior school in the 1990s, when their teacher went missing, and they got a teacher who knew next to nothing about the subject they were supposed to be learning. 'Read a book for 45 minutes' was the popular option by stand-in teachers.
"You can only take your child as far as the school gates. Once they're in, you leave, and you hope they stay there all day. If they don't, that's the fault of the school imo, not the parent"
A large number of parents (at secondary at least) don't take their kids to the gate and don't give a sh1t about getting their kids to school at all (largely, I believe, as a result of the school being held responsible).
My wife is a secondary school teacher and because the school had an 89% attendance rate, they got pulled up for it in their OFSTED inspection last year. As a result the school had to employ TWO PEOPLE whose job it is to go to the houses of skivers and drag them in to school. This is a total waste of time, resources and money imo.
A large number of parents (at secondary at least) don't take their kids to the gate and don't give a sh1t about getting their kids to school at all (largely, I believe, as a result of the school being held responsible).
My wife is a secondary school teacher and because the school had an 89% attendance rate, they got pulled up for it in their OFSTED inspection last year. As a result the school had to employ TWO PEOPLE whose job it is to go to the houses of skivers and drag them in to school. This is a total waste of time, resources and money imo.
school is a waste of time for a lot of kids. instead of punishing them for not wanting to go, give them somewhere more suitable to go. most, if not all, kids who skip days are avoiding going cos theyre getting bullied or they arent learning anything so find it pointless. some cos the level of education is too high for their current abilities and some actually cos its too low.
i used to skip school all the time cos at 13 we were doing stuff id mastered at about 9 years old at my previous school. i wasnt on the streets mucking about, i was at home programming on my computer. i genuinely never learned anything at school from the age of about 12 onwards.
i used to skip school all the time cos at 13 we were doing stuff id mastered at about 9 years old at my previous school. i wasnt on the streets mucking about, i was at home programming on my computer. i genuinely never learned anything at school from the age of about 12 onwards.
kids are way cleverer now
the IQ averages around 130-140 these days
20 years ago it was 100
40 years ago it was 100
60 years ago it was 100
the IQ averages around 130-140 these days
20 years ago it was 100
40 years ago it was 100
60 years ago it was 100
100???? do me a lemon. thats a poor iq for a glass of water.
The British State Education System Miracle
Record Truancy, Record Numbers of Children who don't speak English as a first language, Record Violence, Record expulsions, Record numbers of experienced teachers leaving the profession in the last 17 years, and it's all produced the miracle of Record A-Level passes year-on -year.
And one of the benefits of this most "progressive" state of affairs is that we have record numbers of young 'Neets', as they have become known.
Can any other well-developed European democracy also match this envious (LOLOL) state of affairs?
Record Truancy, Record Numbers of Children who don't speak English as a first language, Record Violence, Record expulsions, Record numbers of experienced teachers leaving the profession in the last 17 years, and it's all produced the miracle of Record A-Level passes year-on -year.
And one of the benefits of this most "progressive" state of affairs is that we have record numbers of young 'Neets', as they have become known.
Can any other well-developed European democracy also match this envious (LOLOL) state of affairs?
90% of the population are effectively 'neets'
only 10% -if that, have ever put their exams to any use
only 10% -if that, have ever put their exams to any use
Coach, IQ scores aren't increasing any longer. Now they are falling. People are getting dumber.
"In the United Kingdom, a study by Flynn (2009) found that tests carried out in 1980 and again in 2008 show that the IQ score of an average 14-year-old dropped by more than two points over the period. For the upper half of the results the performance was even worse." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect)
"In the United Kingdom, a study by Flynn (2009) found that tests carried out in 1980 and again in 2008 show that the IQ score of an average 14-year-old dropped by more than two points over the period. For the upper half of the results the performance was even worse." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect)
Mr Anderson ,
Amongst adults though it is sky rocketing - seriously !
I had my score come back at 20 points higher than one i did in 1988
Forumites on here average 150 according to their results, none lower than 130 for sure ! - and mates of mine who used to have average IQs in the 1980s have taken the modern online IQ tests and have since recorded levels higher than Einstein - which proves Einstein wasn't all that imo.
Today's kids are mighty clever - these exams and IQ tests don't lie
Amongst adults though it is sky rocketing - seriously !
I had my score come back at 20 points higher than one i did in 1988
Forumites on here average 150 according to their results, none lower than 130 for sure ! - and mates of mine who used to have average IQs in the 1980s have taken the modern online IQ tests and have since recorded levels higher than Einstein - which proves Einstein wasn't all that imo.
Today's kids are mighty clever - these exams and IQ tests don't lie
We are less intelligent today than people were 150 years ago. British people (and possibly America
and Europe) no longer invent anything, or write musi c, or even have any artistic ability. The less intelligent
are winning the evolutionary race.
and Europe) no longer invent anything, or write musi c, or even have any artistic ability. The less intelligent
are winning the evolutionary race.
Sorry Coach, I don't have great faith in random online IQ-tests 
folk use their intelligence in different ways today
these days it's for making effective use of the benefits system - 50 years ago it was foir deciphering Shakespeare .
Somewhere along the line it became apparent to the 'lowest sector' that there was no money to be gained from passing exams unless you were going on to great things - so hence we have todays benefit culture .
Bet they can all work out fractions when it comes to buying their draw
these days it's for making effective use of the benefits system - 50 years ago it was foir deciphering Shakespeare .
Somewhere along the line it became apparent to the 'lowest sector' that there was no money to be gained from passing exams unless you were going on to great things - so hence we have todays benefit culture .
Bet they can all work out fractions when it comes to buying their draw
iq tests are bollocks. i did one as a teenager and got a stupidly high score, 170 or summat. did that one on the tv the other year and got about 120. all depends on what kind of mood youre in. sometimes it all clicks, othertimes you feel like a total jellybrain and look at simple words and think "is that right? it dunt look right sumhoo" 
either way, you can have a high iq and not know sh1t. school teaches you pointless crap you dont need to know. when i was a kid i wanted to be a computer programmer, it was all i ever did in my spare time. i did do it for a job for a while but got burnt out really young. point is, how does learning who all the british monarchs were or the battle of hastings or speaking german hilariously badly help me in that goal?
either way, you can have a high iq and not know sh1t. school teaches you pointless crap you dont need to know. when i was a kid i wanted to be a computer programmer, it was all i ever did in my spare time. i did do it for a job for a while but got burnt out really young. point is, how does learning who all the british monarchs were or the battle of hastings or speaking german hilariously badly help me in that goal?
'and not know sh1t.'
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that can apply equally to a bright or stupid person alike
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that can apply equally to a bright or stupid person alike
school is total bollocks anyway agreed
if i listened to the teachers i wouldn't have ever gambled - as a result i would also be extremely poor and p1ssed off albeit with a decent insight into the life of former Royals .
my history lessons were spend formulating gambling strategies and not learning about the French revolution - useful or not ? you decide
if i listened to the teachers i wouldn't have ever gambled - as a result i would also be extremely poor and p1ssed off albeit with a decent insight into the life of former Royals .
my history lessons were spend formulating gambling strategies and not learning about the French revolution - useful or not ? you decide
eggsactly. if id listened to my teachers id be in a crap job all my life. instead ive vaguely run my own business for 15 years but made more out the bookies along the way. i always knew i was gonna do things my way, and instead of encouraging me all i got was "you need to stop fantasising and think about a career path"
umm no, no i dont.
umm no, no i dont.
i left school with no qualifications, never even took any exams. only went about 3 times from 14 to 16. did a degree in my late 20s but mainly for fun. im in my 40s but only had one regular job in my life, and that was only for about 2 years as a tutor/it support. apart from that ive just done my own thing the whole way, several business ventures...a bit of freelance work to tide me over etc.
some people just know they arent gonna be a regular 9-5er from an early age, but teachers and parents and whoever else cant understand that and think it means youre gonna be criminal or summat!
some people just know they arent gonna be a regular 9-5er from an early age, but teachers and parents and whoever else cant understand that and think it means youre gonna be criminal or summat!
Ah! well. At that time they could have no way of knowing that you could join Betfair and carve out a career in moaning! 
Interesting that he's aiming for a 100% literacy rate. According to the CIA World Fact Book it stands at the same rate now as it has stood since 1978 (and earlier).
ie. 99+ %
The man is just fcking clueless. In giving evidence to a Parliamentary Select Committee he said that all schools should be above average; an interesting concept.
ie. 99+ %
The man is just fcking clueless. In giving evidence to a Parliamentary Select Committee he said that all schools should be above average; an interesting concept.
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