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The Leopard
02 Jun 14 23:07
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Guardian :

The controversy over Bergdahl’s release is turning into a major headache for the Obama administration, which calculated that relief and jubilation over the return of the only US prisoner of war would outweigh questions over the prisoner swap.

Several members of his unit expressed dismay on Monday that a man they considered a turncoat would be hailed as a hero instead of being punished for allegedly abandoning his post and indirectly causing the death of other soldiers.

Republicans were swift to condemn the move, with high-profile figures such as Texas senator Ted Cruz, and Mike Rogers, the Michigan congressman who chairs the House intelligence committee, saying on TV on Sunday that the president had endangered the lives of Americans.

Arizona senator John McCain, another Republican critic, described the released detainees – Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Noori, Mohammed Nabi, Khairullah Khairkhwa, and Abdul Haq Wasiq – as “the hardest of the hardcore."

Several Republicans have also argued that Obama has set a dangerous precedent, providing an incentive for the future capture of Americans. The administration has responded that the US has a long history of conducting prisoner swaps during times of war.

A further row erupted over comments by the White House national security adviser Susan Rice, who defended the prisoner exchange on Sunday, telling ABC that Bergdahl served “with honor and distinction”.

The circumstances of Bergdahl’s capture in 2009 remain unclear, but there is evidence he became disillusioned with the US military in Afghanistan and may have deserted his unit.

Carney declined to say whether the president stands by Rice’s glowing description of the sergeant’s tour of duty, stressing that Obama, as commander-in-chief, had a moral obligation to bring Bergdahl home.

“It was the right thing to do. We in the United States do not leave our men and women behind during an armed conflict," he said. "Five years is a long time to be a prisoner.”

Carney, who was speaking at a White House press briefing, was also unapologetic about Obama's decision to bypass a legal requirement to consult Congress in advance of the release of Guantánamo prisoners.

He said Obama previously made clear his objections to the rule, which he believed unfairly impeded his executive powers, and need to move quickly in the Bergdahl case.

“There were no guarantees that the window of opportunity to recover him would remain open,” Carney said, adding there were concerns over Bergdahl’s health that intensified concerns about his future.

Bergdahl is currently in Germany at a US military base, where a spokesman announced on Monday he is in "stable condition and receiving treatment for conditions requiring hospitalisation". The Landstuhl Regional Medical Center said Bergdahl's treatment included “dietary and nutrition needs after almost five years in captivity", but did not provide further information.

Neither did the military hint when Bergdahl may be transferred to the US, where his parents, Bob and Jani, who have campaigned tirelessly for his release from their home in rural Idaho, are preparing for his return.


The circumstances and consequences of Bergdahl's 2009 disappearance from the base in eastern Afghanistan where he was stationed fuelled a separate outcry from some former comrades who spoke to CNN.

"He walked off," said Jose Baggett, a former private. "He left his guard post. Nobody knows if he defected or he's a traitor or he was kidnapped. What I do know is he was there to protect us and instead he decided to … go and do his own thing. I don't know why he decided to do that, but we spend so much of our resources and some of those resources were soldiers' lives."

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By:
lybertyne
When: 03 Jun 14 00:40
He's also alleged to have sent emails to his family (before his capture) telling of his dismay at American policy and said "I'm ashamed to be American".  The Taliban have had 5 years to turn an already-disgruntled man; I imagine the authorities will keep an eye on him.  It's very similar to the Homeland backstory.
By:
The Leopard
When: 03 Jun 14 00:46
Evens he will 'die' in Germany before parents meet him
By:
lybertyne
When: 03 Jun 14 11:06
On a side note, his dad said Bowe is having trouble speaking English.  This raises an interesting question.  If you spend 5 years in an environment where you only hear a second language, not your mother tongue, is it possible to begin to forget your own language?
By:
dustybin
When: 03 Jun 14 11:33
This reintegration is more likely just brainwashing him to tow the line.
Do as we say not as we do.
They supposedly don't
Negotiate with terrorists, spy on friends or commit extraordinary rendition.
Utter bollox

How come the father got the beard of a Muslim and able to speak the language btw?
By:
ebulGery
When: 03 Jun 14 11:50
On a side note, his dad said Bowe is having trouble speaking English.  This raises an interesting question.  If you spend 5 years in an environment where you only hear a second language, not your mother tongue, is it possible to begin to forget your own language?

erm..would not have thought so libertine

on this one Obama is dammed if he does and dammed if he don't

Probably Taliban have sent him back to embarrass Americans...it look's as if he deserted
his family may be glad to get him back...but no hero's welcome here methinks
By:
ebulGery
When: 03 Jun 14 11:52
The US Army could court martial him for desertion....doubt they will though
By:
ebulGery
When: 03 Jun 14 12:06
Several Republicans have also argued that Obama has set a dangerous precedent, providing an incentive for the future capture of Americans. The administration has responded that the US has a long history of conducting prisoner swaps during times of war.

It is not unknown to exchange prisoners in times of war...The Republicans are wrong here I feel

The problem comes when civilians are kidnapped funnily enough

In this case swaps are not usually conducted, because of the fear of further kidaps..so a bit of a paradox??????

But there are precedents for prisoner exchanges in times of war, how else to you get them back????

just my own opinion
By:
ebulGery
When: 03 Jun 14 12:10
The Taliban are going to capture American soldiers to do a swap are they...they would just kill them
there is a war going on here..

The may accept American soldiers surrendering in action that is all
By:
ebulGery
When: 03 Jun 14 12:10
not capture
By:
The Leopard
When: 03 Jun 14 12:37
They will try to capture any American (or Brit) to do a deal.

The Yanks have probably said,

"We have done a deal this time but that is it....no more deals....next time we b*mb your mum's house"
By:
ebulGery
When: 03 Jun 14 13:08
They have probably done that already

We don't know for certain whether he was captured or deserted yet??????????????

A mindless pointless war in my opinion...I will be glad when the last of our troops finally leave the place.
The Americans have to leave some of their troops behind, to stop the Taliban just walking back in and taking over,
still that is America's problem not ours
By:
ebulGery
When: 03 Jun 14 23:30
It appears he may be court martialled for desertion
no decision yet

So he may well have exchanged one prison for another
By:
kenny mann
When: 03 Jun 14 23:35
Did you get my pm ebulgery, with the horse tip?
By:
The Leopard
When: 03 Jun 14 23:35
His Dad should have shaved the beard.....no PR consultant

Looks like 6 soldiers died looking for him....no sympathy from their families
By:
Foinavon
When: 03 Jun 14 23:52
On a side note, his dad said Bowe is having trouble speaking English.  This raises an interesting question.  If you spend 5 years in an environment where you only hear a second language, not your mother tongue, is it possible to begin to forget your own language?

Yes, I know from personal experience that he will have trouble recalling some vocabulary for a while and might occasionally construct sentences differently.
By:
ebulGery
When: 04 Jun 14 00:23
yes ta kennyBlush

oh apologies for my earlier comment foinavon..I did not realise it could happenBlush
By:
ebulGery
When: 04 Jun 14 00:24
sbHappy kenny
By:
kenny mann
When: 04 Jun 14 00:27
Happy
By:
dustybin
When: 04 Jun 14 09:04
On that video released of the hands over the taliban guy waves as bowe and fellow yanks retreat toward helicopter.

Nice guys imo
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Jun 14 11:43
Why do these people never suffer the consequences of their stupidity.
He should have been left in Afghanastan and never allowed to return to
America
By:
johnnythebull
When: 04 Jun 14 11:58
would u be saying that if he was ur brother LFC?
seems like u 've already judged him guilty on the hearsay of how he purportedly 'went missing'.
why did that smarmy c*** Obama have 2 do an exchange on a 5 to 1 basis?
surely if they went down that route they could have held out 4 a better deal than that?
sometimes the yanks r so full of s***
i feel sorry 4 all these young soldiers who think they r doing smth righteous when they r just expendable pawns in games of sullied political expediency.
maybe out there in the mountainous wilds he got 2 thinking a bit deeper & came 2 the realisation of what things r really about & couldn't handle it any longer
i'm hypothesising now & if that is in fact what happened i don't condone his actions given the nature of his 'job'
but i'm sure many could empathise
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Jun 14 12:20
Johnny he is just another narcissist who thinks he is superior because he
thinks America are doing awful things. That is war. He is typical of the modern
look at me and isn't America awful types in Britain. I have sympathy for someone
who is traumitised by war, but not this, if true, treachory.
By:
dustybin
When: 04 Jun 14 12:40
They speak of 'worker's rights' 'women's liberation' etc but what about the conditioning of ill educated youths to be the politicians lapdog?
They argue that women can fight on the front line because of equality but say you have no rights within the army 'workforce'.
So they advertise an exciting life in the services to trap you, you can't leave.
All that playing around camping and absailing down cliffs and flying in helicopters looks great on the adverts, but you can't leave if and when it doesn't turn out to be like that, or if you disagree with the ideology of the people who come to power.
You are treated as sub human simply because the people who do the deciding need a weapon to install their beliefs.

You have to sell your conscience or lose your legs to get out.
Is that right?
By:
johnnythebull
When: 04 Jun 14 12:42
think u r being a tad harsh there LFC
does not the 'treachery' lie more at the hands of regimes(not just the US)who send innocent virile young men 2 certain death & mutilation & psychological scarring in the name of what?
By:
dustybin
When: 04 Jun 14 12:58
People would be forgiven for forgetting what the political elites decided were the reason for getting involved in Afghanistan.
What was it originally?
To rid them of the Taliban?
To chase Osama Bin Laden whom they believed was holed out there?
Or was it to satiate the bloodlust of the american public after 9/11?
By:
lfc1971
When: 04 Jun 14 13:12
Look there is nothing new in this. It is not possible to run an army
on civilian lines. There was no point in America going to Afghanistan, that
would seem to be the case but the fault lies not with America but with Afghanastan and
its inability to come out of a medieval mimdset. And as for his father
growing a beard!...
By:
dustybin
When: 04 Jun 14 13:15
so why do they apply equality to the army workforce and let women fight on the frontline then?
They pick and choose human rights.
By:
dustybin
When: 04 Jun 14 13:16
Its not america's fault the way afghanistan is, but it truly is their fault the way they are.
By:
ebulGery
When: 04 Jun 14 13:30
[i]dustybin  • June 4, 2014 12:58 PM BST
People would be forgiven for forgetting what the political elites decided were the reason for getting involved in Afghanistan.
What was it originally?
To rid them of the Taliban?
To chase Osama Bin Laden whom they believed was holed out there?
Or was it to satiate the bloodlust of the american public after 9/11?[/i]

I believe that was what it was Dusty
two wrongs never make a right
By:
the.mad.dog.man
When: 04 Jun 14 13:33
he just took 2 weeks holiday then got kidnapped
By:
ebulGery
When: 04 Jun 14 13:37
I think it takes a brave man to become a conscientious  objector in time of war, myself

But by abandoning his post in time of war, if that is what he did, he did endanger his comrades, a no no in time of war
Soldiers were killed looking for him
By:
paddletoe
When: 04 Jun 14 13:40
I dont think this prisoner exchange was so much about freeing one American soldier. It was more about trying to open up some kind of negotiations with the enemy.
Don't forget the americans have held their 5 prisoners for several years. I am not saying they have turned them during that time but I suspect they might have helped change their hardline views during those 5 years and think they might be more helpful to a political settlement as free men.
By:
ebulGery
When: 04 Jun 14 13:43
I agree paddletoe
I think Obama would love to get some political settlement with the Taliban

but would the Taliban keep to it, if American troops ever leave, they would just come back
happened in S.Vietnam
By:
dustybin
When: 04 Jun 14 13:53
I think it was more down to wanting out of Afghanistan so much they needed to draw a line under it.
Leaving 'one of their own there' would have haunted them for years, this way they make a short sharp humiliating move and then withdraw
By:
dustybin
When: 04 Jun 14 14:01
What I took from the video of the hand over was that both parties have cancelled each other out and are just playing the waiting game.
America has failed in ridding the taliban (for who where they dealing with?) and are widely believed to have made an utter bollox of the administration of the country.
The americans value their lives more it seems than the taliban and just want the deadline to come for them to get out and the taliban want them to go as quietly as possible.
Otherwise wouldnt the guy with the rocket launcher just have fired off aN RPG as the helicopter was taking off and 'won' the exchange all round?
By:
the.mad.dog.man
When: 04 Jun 14 14:03
look at all that backpay he got to come
By:
ebulGery
When: 04 Jun 14 14:28
Laugh
By:
erse2
When: 04 Jun 14 17:24
maybe a deserter, wikileaks has a cable about him liking banoffee pie.
By:
dr . atkins
When: 04 Jun 14 18:10
he left hes post the men in hes company have called him a deserter
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