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He's also alleged to have sent emails to his family (before his capture) telling of his dismay at American policy and said "I'm ashamed to be American". The Taliban have had 5 years to turn an already-disgruntled man; I imagine the authorities will keep an eye on him. It's very similar to the Homeland backstory.
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Evens he will 'die' in Germany before parents meet him
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On a side note, his dad said Bowe is having trouble speaking English. This raises an interesting question. If you spend 5 years in an environment where you only hear a second language, not your mother tongue, is it possible to begin to forget your own language?
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This reintegration is more likely just brainwashing him to tow the line.
Do as we say not as we do. They supposedly don't Negotiate with terrorists, spy on friends or commit extraordinary rendition. Utter bollox How come the father got the beard of a Muslim and able to speak the language btw? |
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On a side note, his dad said Bowe is having trouble speaking English. This raises an interesting question. If you spend 5 years in an environment where you only hear a second language, not your mother tongue, is it possible to begin to forget your own language?
erm..would not have thought so libertine on this one Obama is dammed if he does and dammed if he don't Probably Taliban have sent him back to embarrass Americans...it look's as if he deserted his family may be glad to get him back...but no hero's welcome here methinks |
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The US Army could court martial him for desertion....doubt they will though
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Several Republicans have also argued that Obama has set a dangerous precedent, providing an incentive for the future capture of Americans. The administration has responded that the US has a long history of conducting prisoner swaps during times of war.
It is not unknown to exchange prisoners in times of war...The Republicans are wrong here I feel The problem comes when civilians are kidnapped funnily enough In this case swaps are not usually conducted, because of the fear of further kidaps..so a bit of a paradox?????? But there are precedents for prisoner exchanges in times of war, how else to you get them back???? just my own opinion |
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The Taliban are going to capture American soldiers to do a swap are they...they would just kill them
there is a war going on here.. The may accept American soldiers surrendering in action that is all |
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not capture
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They will try to capture any American (or Brit) to do a deal.
The Yanks have probably said, "We have done a deal this time but that is it....no more deals....next time we b*mb your mum's house" |
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They have probably done that already
We don't know for certain whether he was captured or deserted yet?????????????? A mindless pointless war in my opinion...I will be glad when the last of our troops finally leave the place. The Americans have to leave some of their troops behind, to stop the Taliban just walking back in and taking over, still that is America's problem not ours |
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It appears he may be court martialled for desertion
no decision yet So he may well have exchanged one prison for another |
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Did you get my pm ebulgery, with the horse tip?
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His Dad should have shaved the beard.....no PR consultant
Looks like 6 soldiers died looking for him....no sympathy from their families |
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On a side note, his dad said Bowe is having trouble speaking English. This raises an interesting question. If you spend 5 years in an environment where you only hear a second language, not your mother tongue, is it possible to begin to forget your own language?
Yes, I know from personal experience that he will have trouble recalling some vocabulary for a while and might occasionally construct sentences differently. |
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yes ta kenny
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On that video released of the hands over the taliban guy waves as bowe and fellow yanks retreat toward helicopter.
Nice guys imo |
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Why do these people never suffer the consequences of their stupidity.
He should have been left in Afghanastan and never allowed to return to America |
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would u be saying that if he was ur brother LFC?
seems like u 've already judged him guilty on the hearsay of how he purportedly 'went missing'. why did that smarmy c*** Obama have 2 do an exchange on a 5 to 1 basis? surely if they went down that route they could have held out 4 a better deal than that? sometimes the yanks r so full of s*** i feel sorry 4 all these young soldiers who think they r doing smth righteous when they r just expendable pawns in games of sullied political expediency. maybe out there in the mountainous wilds he got 2 thinking a bit deeper & came 2 the realisation of what things r really about & couldn't handle it any longer i'm hypothesising now & if that is in fact what happened i don't condone his actions given the nature of his 'job' but i'm sure many could empathise |
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Johnny he is just another narcissist who thinks he is superior because he
thinks America are doing awful things. That is war. He is typical of the modern look at me and isn't America awful types in Britain. I have sympathy for someone who is traumitised by war, but not this, if true, treachory. |
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They speak of 'worker's rights' 'women's liberation' etc but what about the conditioning of ill educated youths to be the politicians lapdog?
They argue that women can fight on the front line because of equality but say you have no rights within the army 'workforce'. So they advertise an exciting life in the services to trap you, you can't leave. All that playing around camping and absailing down cliffs and flying in helicopters looks great on the adverts, but you can't leave if and when it doesn't turn out to be like that, or if you disagree with the ideology of the people who come to power. You are treated as sub human simply because the people who do the deciding need a weapon to install their beliefs. You have to sell your conscience or lose your legs to get out. Is that right? |
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think u r being a tad harsh there LFC
does not the 'treachery' lie more at the hands of regimes(not just the US)who send innocent virile young men 2 certain death & mutilation & psychological scarring in the name of what? |
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People would be forgiven for forgetting what the political elites decided were the reason for getting involved in Afghanistan.
What was it originally? To rid them of the Taliban? To chase Osama Bin Laden whom they believed was holed out there? Or was it to satiate the bloodlust of the american public after 9/11? |
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Look there is nothing new in this. It is not possible to run an army
on civilian lines. There was no point in America going to Afghanistan, that would seem to be the case but the fault lies not with America but with Afghanastan and its inability to come out of a medieval mimdset. And as for his father growing a beard!... |
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so why do they apply equality to the army workforce and let women fight on the frontline then?
They pick and choose human rights. |
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Its not america's fault the way afghanistan is, but it truly is their fault the way they are.
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[i]dustybin • June 4, 2014 12:58 PM BST
People would be forgiven for forgetting what the political elites decided were the reason for getting involved in Afghanistan. What was it originally? To rid them of the Taliban? To chase Osama Bin Laden whom they believed was holed out there? Or was it to satiate the bloodlust of the american public after 9/11?[/i] I believe that was what it was Dusty two wrongs never make a right |
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he just took 2 weeks holiday then got kidnapped
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I think it takes a brave man to become a conscientious objector in time of war, myself
But by abandoning his post in time of war, if that is what he did, he did endanger his comrades, a no no in time of war Soldiers were killed looking for him |
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I dont think this prisoner exchange was so much about freeing one American soldier. It was more about trying to open up some kind of negotiations with the enemy.
Don't forget the americans have held their 5 prisoners for several years. I am not saying they have turned them during that time but I suspect they might have helped change their hardline views during those 5 years and think they might be more helpful to a political settlement as free men. |
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I agree paddletoe
I think Obama would love to get some political settlement with the Taliban but would the Taliban keep to it, if American troops ever leave, they would just come back happened in S.Vietnam |
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I think it was more down to wanting out of Afghanistan so much they needed to draw a line under it.
Leaving 'one of their own there' would have haunted them for years, this way they make a short sharp humiliating move and then withdraw |
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What I took from the video of the hand over was that both parties have cancelled each other out and are just playing the waiting game.
America has failed in ridding the taliban (for who where they dealing with?) and are widely believed to have made an utter bollox of the administration of the country. The americans value their lives more it seems than the taliban and just want the deadline to come for them to get out and the taliban want them to go as quietly as possible. Otherwise wouldnt the guy with the rocket launcher just have fired off aN RPG as the helicopter was taking off and 'won' the exchange all round? |
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look at all that backpay he got to come
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maybe a deserter, wikileaks has a cable about him liking banoffee pie.
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he left hes post the men in hes company have called him a deserter
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