Yet even more astounding leniency shown by our judiciary

The BBC rightly ignore a lot of Daily Mail 'stories' - the Daily Mail is excrement

probably got about 5 years for stealing 5 grand
shows what they value a life at

What, exactly, do you suggest that the BBC should 'do' about it? Are you saying that they have misreported the facts or that. in some way, they have colluded with the judiciary to issue a lighter sentence?

Not like the BBC to misreport facts.
I read their regional news pages on television every day.
Despite the recent murders and the stabbings in London, there wasn't one mention of Operation Trident.
A whole week of murders and stabbings that involved no black on black crime whatsoever?
As Victor Meldrew said...

"4291"

What i am saying naydam is the BBC under report crimes when its a black on white attack/murder.The ridiculous leniency shown by our judges is another matter entirely.

it was deemed manslaughter..a nasty attack, but death was never intended

But three senior judges disagreed. Lord Justice Treacy said it was ‘within the reasonable range available to the trial judge’.

they also suggested it was for the sentencing council to change sentencing for this crime, if public are concerned

I wonder if the attacker's mother was really as callous as Mail made out?????

The Mail frequently tries to incite right wing hatred...I am not sure this has much to do with the BBC???

With a son who can do that to a fellow human why are you surprised his mother would not be just as contemptible?The BBC have history of non reporting of black on white crime yet when it comes to Stephen Lawrence its all hands to the deck and headline news. The non reporting of the Luke Fitzgerald case was an utter disgrace.


http://durotrigan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/bbc-hides-anti-white-race-murder.html

This website seems slightly biased to me....still it is entitled to its opinion twizzle22

The BBC can only report the appeal was rejected...anything else would be opinion

I do not know what the attackers mother's said...but I would expect her to stand by her son whatever he did

it is a mothers natural instinct

The Mail does incite right wing hated in my opinion

In fact all tabloids incite hatred, it gets peoples notice, it plays on our prejudices

it is in fact their bread and butter, it makes people buy the paper

I personally thought the attacker could done with a couple more years

but the sentencing on this crime has to changed first, the judge has to abide by guidelines.

Twizzle. I think you should read that 'blog' again...with an open mind. Both the BBC and Daily Mail reports are inaccurate. This does not appear to be intentional in either case...more a matter of different witness statements. These are frequently unreliable but the urge to file the report means that they interview 'witnesses' who all saw different things and add their own bias to what they THINK happened.
It was not a racist killing...he was attacked because he posed a threat to the group and the assailant probably had to 'save face' after running away (my opinion).

I think that you will find that the majority of BBC coverage of the Lawrence murder (which was racially motivated by the perpetrators NOT because the BBC described it as such) was due to the extremely long cover-up by the police force and the on going saga as their lies were slowly exposed layer upon layer. Obviously, every time the cover-up story made the news, there would be a reference to the original case.

The situation is exactly the same as the Hillsborough disaster story. If the truth and the facts had been issued in the first place it would not be continuing 25 years later. That is not the fault of the BBC either. They don't make the news.

You are correct Naydam..the BBC don't make the news they just fail to report on what should be reported ie:Racist attacks/murders of black on white.The BBC should be an impartial organisation but unfortunately they are not.Of course the Lawrence murder was a racist attack and i am certainly no apologist for the filth who carried out the cowardly assault but lets have it reported to the same degree when a white person is killed by a black person.No matter which liberal views you hold the Fitzgerald murder WAS a racist attack and i came to that conclusion after reading many many reports on the incident and not just the one you see above.

2 stories from my local press:

http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/11196126.Ethnic_minority_groups__anger_at_primary_school_where_children_lined_up__from_lightest_to_darkest_/?ref=mr

Made it into the national press

but this...

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Man-stabbed-100-times-frenzied-alley-attack/story-21046873-detail/story.html

Ephraim Norman, 23, of Kensington Avenue, Thornton Heath, has been charged with murder, in connection with Mr Else's death.

He appeared at the Old Bailey on Tuesday and spoke only to answer his name. He was remanded in custody until August 1, when he is due to enter a plea to the charge of murder.


Not a word...

Not surprised at all by that, or the Fitzgerald case.
BBC doing what they do best, telling it how they think it should be told.

Thanks Barry.Yet another example of selective reporting.The general public only get to hear what "they" want us to hear.How many times do we hear the police are looking for two white youths in connection with a crime yet when black youths are involved their is no mention of their skin colour until AFTER they have been apprehended.Its this total unfair bias that makes my blood boil.

Are the BBC now to be blamed for the reports that appear in Barry's local newspapers?

Luke Fitzgerald case: There is an altercation between two men, one black one. White guy wins the fight or argument. Black guy goes home, gets a group of his mates, they get 'tooled up'. They go looking for the guy who embarrassed their mate. They don't find him. They enter the pub (possibly still looking for original white guy. Altercation takes place in pub, black gang maybe (or maybe not, I don't know) hit a couple of customers. Customers retaliate by throwing bottles, glasses and chairs. Black gang runs away. Some customers give chase. One chasing guy gets near to fleeing gang. Gang leader (the original black guy) cannot allow his 'gang' to be running away from one unarmed man, so they turn to face him and Luke (the chasing customer) is stabbed. He dies from his wounds. He is murdered.
But, he wasn't killed because of his colour...he was killed because he was about to catch up with a gang of cowards. He wasn't even their target, they never found HIM. And, even if they had killed the original (white) fella that they were looking for...it wouldn't have been racist UNLESS the original argument/fight was of a racist nature. I don't know the cause of the original argument. My guess would be drugs, money or women. All non-racist motives.

*one black-one white*

And while we're at it...let's sort out the accusations of the media trying to 'hide' the facts. Shall we?

When reporters arrive at the scene they interview eye witnesses who were in the pub at the time. I guess that YOU would do the same. The witnesses quite genuinely state what happened...a gang of youths burst into the pub and started trouble. Apparently, there had been a recent football match and these people assumed that these were rival 'fans'. Quite a reasonable conclusion when some guys suddenly burst into your pub for no reason. They would know of the earlier event that led up to this.
The true story, and the real reason for them entering the pub would ONLY come light after the police had made arrests and questioned the gang members.
So you see, there was NO deliberate attempt to deceive...unless you want to say that the witnesses were lying. They weren't. They were simply lacking some of the detail that would come to light later.

Twizzle reminds me of a story my brother who was a prison officer told me.

The general prison population hate those on the protected wing 'the n*****'.
My brother used to love winding the general prisoners up by telling them what privileges
the 'n's were getting.

A section had two common rooms separated.

Walking in behind a line of 'g' prisoners my brother whispered to one and pointed across-

"Look what plush new chairs the 'n's have been given".

The prisoner looked across screwed up a gurney face and shouted down the line.-

"Its not fair look what plush new chairs the 'n's have got"!



Thankfully my brother gave up working as a prison officer.

Dumboy Conway,

Murders are only local news. Unless particularly unusual or the work of a suspected serial killer most murders are domestic. They will appear in your local news but not on the BBC
who only have half an hour to give the entire world news. Reporting all murders carried out would most likely take up the entire programme. On CBS News in the US it would take weeks.

Don't be contentious naydam...the BBC are undoubtedly the worst culprits  of racial suppression but the point Barry and myself are making is how the media as a whole pick and choose what they report and how it is reported.The Luke Fitzgerald murder was woefully under reported by the media as a whole and to emphasise that point the days after Luke's slaying i contacted various news medias (LBC, BBC radio London, BBC five live) and none of them were interested in putting me on air to highlight the incident and infact the two local radio stations didn't even think it newsworthy enough to mention it in their news bulletins.



Northern Lad..don't patronise me son..ok

I am only stating things as I see them. The Luke Fitzgerald murder was not under-reported. It was in all the national press (as far as I know) and covered on the national television news.
I don' want to upset you, but I think that your 'highlighting of the incident' would have been totally inaccurate...especially if you are referring to a time BEFORE the facts of the incident were revealed.

I don't understand why you insist upon calling this a racist crime. A black guy (maybe more hen one) killed a white guy...but that does NOT make it racist.

It is also poor form to tell me not to be contentious...followed by a statement that 'the BBC are undoubtedly the worst culprits of racial suppression'. It may be undoubted in YOUR mind, but it is very much doubted in mine! Although I should confess that I am a little bit uncertain regarding what you mean by 'racial suppression'.

northernlad5     09 May 14 10:41 
Then don't be such an idiot!
Murders are too commonplace in general to be news worthy.

Commonplace in London alright, and the majority committed by immigrants, mostly non-white.

Easy with the insults! They are not necessary. They certainly aren't helpful.

The BBC is not capable of reporting on any subject without bias. It is deliberate and
at the same time subtle and dishonest. It is an extremely dangerous thing when their
Propaganda can .not be questioned

Northern lad..shut up ..yer getting on me nerves.

northernlad5      
Interestingly naydam you make no criticism of CMAT & Macarony's disgusting comments regarding murdered schoolgirl Charlene Downe.
Thinking it hilarious by suggesting that I cut her up and served her as kebab meat.

Like I said before northernliar, you live in your own fantasy world.

Show me where I even mentioned Charlene Downe.

You can't.

Do I get an apology, or do I report you for your libellous comment?

I am not ever having Kebab again!

You type a load of crap.
You had my post about stolen monkeys removed, so you can make up what you want.
You invent stories of police involvement rather than apologise for your gross insult towards me.

Think yourself lucky you're a devout coward you moron, because if we ever meet I'll wipe that self-satisfied smirk off your face, with a policeman standing beside you, or in your case, you hiding behind him.

Do yourself a favour, shut up and don't embarrass yourself any further than you already have.

And these are my final last words to you - STOP stalking me!

Well, that could have gone better!

I wasn't dirctint my 'easy on the insults' remark at anybody in particular, although Northernlad's comment DID trigger it.
I was pointing out that, when people start calling each other names, the thread simply descend into name-calling with no constructive input at all. This seems to be happening now, unfortunately.

The strange word should be 'directing'   

Until these posters who come on here simply to post knowingly offensive racist material are banned from this forum they will continue to abuse anyone who disagrees with them.

well as long as you continue to label anything to do with the UKIP as fascist and racist

what do you expect????????

POP KETTLE BLACK!

you crease me up Northern Lad, you really do

I have no idea what ANY of you are talking about. 

Justice should be administered regardless of a persons colour, race, sex, etc....

the defendant should be treated as an 'it', and be sentenced according to their crime

The judges are allowed some flexibility because no two cases are exactly the same, but are expected

to keep within this range

It is generally felt this attacker got off lightly, perhaps he did, maybe a couple of years shy

but to me the crime was patently 'manslaughter'

because it is not reasonable to believe that anyone attempts to kill someone uses just one punch

it is not credible

The attacker was sentenced using current guidelines for this offence.

Is it ok to say "Lenny Henry is from the Black Country"?

eg I don't call them anything other than what they are.

sorry that is only your opinion

RACIST Clouseau

Northern lad you are an idiot if you think an unprovoked murder of a man in his 50s is commonplace especially when he was stabbed 100 times. Why did this not make the news when the incident in the nearby school made it to the local press?

This happened in a place called Selsdon. "Selsdon Man" was a term used by what are now known as think tanks to describe middle class people living normal lives. Can you see why these people might be more than a little dismayed when "Selsdon Man" is brutally murdered and no one gives a toss.

Another local story for you...

Baroness Lawrence was recently car jacked in Thornton Heath. 5 miles down the road. Funnily enough no description of her attackers was forthcoming.

It is under reported - you rarely get 'descriptions' of assailants in street crime in London.
As we speak they are trying to stop the police searching the people who are so over represented in street crime. 
I am still waiting for the crack down on these gangs - it will never happen.  The police and the politicians are too scared to go for it.
In a couple of areas in London and in the north - there was a crack down on street crime. One officer in charge got suspended and left the force. 
After a real result in london there was no more to be heard of positive street policing.!!!

northernlad5     09 May 14 13:57 
Do yourself a favour, shut up and don't embarrass yourself any further than you already have.
And these are my final last words to you - STOP stalking me!


.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Charlene_Downes_murder


Wider issues
A police report put together following investigations into Downes' disappearance stated that "[y]oung people were being groomed and sexually assaulted both inside and outside of premises by a number of takeaway owners and workers".

According to a Daily Telegraph article, the report "identified 11 takeaway shops in the town centre which were being used as 'honeypots' where the non-white men preyed on young white victims, who were given food, alcohol and cigarettes in return for sex." The Telegraph report claims that Mick Gradwell, a former detective superintendent with Lancashire Police, has stated that the police were aware of this for some time, but that "investigations were being hampered by political correctness."

Where are you nutjob?
There has been no response to the Telegraph article.
I wonder why.

Posting elsewhere on the forum, but not here.
Hmmm...

I have noticed too that despite being the *most* obvious starting point for any description of someone, if the suspect is white, the colour of their skin is mentioned, but if they are black it often isn't said.
But it's not only the BBC guilty of this by any means.
And I'd rather rely on the BBC for my news than any of Murdoch's propaganda machines.

he denies he actually lives in blackpool but is associated with a takeaway shop
but he tells so many lies how do we know!!??

Deport him and his family

I would not go that far

but he does not seem happy here...he thinks we are all racist

actually we are not really

but I am afraid we was allways going to have big problems with Muslim culture...sadly to be predicted

I can see both sides of this.....oh well

northernlad5     09 May 14 13:57 
Do yourself a favour, shut up and don't embarrass yourself any further than you already have.
And these are my final last words to you - STOP stalking me!


.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Charlene_Downes_murder


Wider issues
A police report put together following investigations into Downes' disappearance stated that "[y]oung people were being groomed and sexually assaulted both inside and outside of premises by a number of takeaway owners and workers".

According to a Daily Telegraph article, the report "identified 11 takeaway shops in the town centre which were being used as 'honeypots' where the non-white men preyed on young white victims, who were given food, alcohol and cigarettes in return for sex." The Telegraph report claims that Mick Gradwell, a former detective superintendent with Lancashire Police, has stated that the police were aware of this for some time, but that "investigations were being hampered by political correctness."

Still no reply northernliar?

Another hour gone, and still no northernliar.

Another hour gone, and still no northernliar.

9 more hours and the silence goes on. Note that the northernnutjob hasn't come on here and condemned the owners of the 11 shops in the town centre.

Oh no, not northernliar,  he has probably been extra busy trying to find 11 shops in any town centre in the UK, owned by white people, and involved in the sex trade of young girls, so he can tell us that it's not just asians who are doing it. He seems to be a long while finding the items though. 
Or has he not returned because his kebab shop is also in Blackpool?

Remember, according to the resident loon, everybody who supports UKIP is a racist.

what about everybody who owns a kebab shop in Blackpool, are they all murderers?

Or doesn't it work like that?

Shut up Larry and stop continually embarrassing yourself!

Sicko!

Still no condemnation, nutjob?

I'm not Larry.
You're not sane.

Now log out and log back in as 'bbc's embarrassed dad' and agree with yourself.

On no, you can't, because according to you and the fake Major (who had a least 3 current accounts) that would make you a psychopath for having more than one, which is what you both called EO, when there had been no proof that he has more than one current account, just you and the fake majors accusations.

Anyway you and fake major Craig couldn't be psychopaths, most of them are intelligent.

You crank.

Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

Anyway you and fake major Craig couldn't be psychopaths, most of them are intelligent.

You crank.

Point proved.