Yet even more astounding leniency shown by our judiciary

probably got about 5 years for stealing 5 grand
shows what they value a life at

Not like the BBC to misreport facts.
I read their regional news pages on television every day.
Despite the recent murders and the stabbings in London, there wasn't one mention of Operation Trident.
A whole week of murders and stabbings that involved no black on black crime whatsoever?
As Victor Meldrew said...

What i am saying naydam is the BBC under report crimes when its a black on white attack/murder.The ridiculous leniency shown by our judges is another matter entirely.

But three senior judges disagreed. Lord Justice Treacy said it was ‘within the reasonable range available to the trial judge’.

they also suggested it was for the sentencing council to change sentencing for this crime, if public are concerned

I wonder if the attacker's mother was really as callous as Mail made out?????

The Mail frequently tries to incite right wing hatred...I am not sure this has much to do with the BBC???

This website seems slightly biased to me....still it is entitled to its opinion twizzle22

The BBC can only report the appeal was rejected...anything else would be opinion

I do not know what the attackers mother's said...but I would expect her to stand by her son whatever he did

it is a mothers natural instinct

The Mail does incite right wing hated in my opinion

In fact all tabloids incite hatred, it gets peoples notice, it plays on our prejudices

it is in fact their bread and butter, it makes people buy the paper

I personally thought the attacker could done with a couple more years

but the sentencing on this crime has to changed first, the judge has to abide by guidelines.

You are correct Naydam..the BBC don't make the news they just fail to report on what should be reported ie:Racist attacks/murders of black on white.The BBC should be an impartial organisation but unfortunately they are not.Of course the Lawrence murder was a racist attack and i am certainly no apologist for the filth who carried out the cowardly assault but lets have it reported to the same degree when a white person is killed by a black person.No matter which liberal views you hold the Fitzgerald murder WAS a racist attack and i came to that conclusion after reading many many reports on the incident and not just the one you see above.

Not surprised at all by that, or the Fitzgerald case.
BBC doing what they do best, telling it how they think it should be told.

Are the BBC now to be blamed for the reports that appear in Barry's local newspapers?

Luke Fitzgerald case: There is an altercation between two men, one black one. White guy wins the fight or argument. Black guy goes home, gets a group of his mates, they get 'tooled up'. They go looking for the guy who embarrassed their mate. They don't find him. They enter the pub (possibly still looking for original white guy. Altercation takes place in pub, black gang maybe (or maybe not, I don't know) hit a couple of customers. Customers retaliate by throwing bottles, glasses and chairs. Black gang runs away. Some customers give chase. One chasing guy gets near to fleeing gang. Gang leader (the original black guy) cannot allow his 'gang' to be running away from one unarmed man, so they turn to face him and Luke (the chasing customer) is stabbed. He dies from his wounds. He is murdered.
But, he wasn't killed because of his colour...he was killed because he was about to catch up with a gang of cowards. He wasn't even their target, they never found HIM. And, even if they had killed the original (white) fella that they were looking for...it wouldn't have been racist UNLESS the original argument/fight was of a racist nature. I don't know the cause of the original argument. My guess would be drugs, money or women. All non-racist motives.

And while we're at it...let's sort out the accusations of the media trying to 'hide' the facts. Shall we?

When reporters arrive at the scene they interview eye witnesses who were in the pub at the time. I guess that YOU would do the same. The witnesses quite genuinely state what happened...a gang of youths burst into the pub and started trouble. Apparently, there had been a recent football match and these people assumed that these were rival 'fans'. Quite a reasonable conclusion when some guys suddenly burst into your pub for no reason. They would know of the earlier event that led up to this.
The true story, and the real reason for them entering the pub would ONLY come light after the police had made arrests and questioned the gang members.
So you see, there was NO deliberate attempt to deceive...unless you want to say that the witnesses were lying. They weren't. They were simply lacking some of the detail that would come to light later.

Dumboy Conway,

Murders are only local news. Unless particularly unusual or the work of a suspected serial killer most murders are domestic. They will appear in your local news but not on the BBC
who only have half an hour to give the entire world news. Reporting all murders carried out would most likely take up the entire programme. On CBS News in the US it would take weeks.

I am only stating things as I see them. The Luke Fitzgerald murder was not under-reported. It was in all the national press (as far as I know) and covered on the national television news.
I don' want to upset you, but I think that your 'highlighting of the incident' would have been totally inaccurate...especially if you are referring to a time BEFORE the facts of the incident were revealed.

I don't understand why you insist upon calling this a racist crime. A black guy (maybe more hen one) killed a white guy...but that does NOT make it racist.

It is also poor form to tell me not to be contentious...followed by a statement that 'the BBC are undoubtedly the worst culprits of racial suppression'. It may be undoubted in YOUR mind, but it is very much doubted in mine! Although I should confess that I am a little bit uncertain regarding what you mean by 'racial suppression'.

Easy with the insults! They are not necessary. They certainly aren't helpful.

Northern lad..shut up ..yer getting on me nerves.

I am not ever having Kebab again!

Do yourself a favour, shut up and don't embarrass yourself any further than you already have.

And these are my final last words to you - STOP stalking me!

I wasn't dirctint my 'easy on the insults' remark at anybody in particular, although Northernlad's comment DID trigger it.
I was pointing out that, when people start calling each other names, the thread simply descend into name-calling with no constructive input at all. This seems to be happening now, unfortunately.

Until these posters who come on here simply to post knowingly offensive racist material are banned from this forum they will continue to abuse anyone who disagrees with them.

well as long as you continue to label anything to do with the UKIP as fascist and racist

what do you expect????????

POP KETTLE BLACK!

you crease me up Northern Lad, you really do

Justice should be administered regardless of a persons colour, race, sex, etc....

the defendant should be treated as an 'it', and be sentenced according to their crime

The judges are allowed some flexibility because no two cases are exactly the same, but are expected

to keep within this range

It is generally felt this attacker got off lightly, perhaps he did, maybe a couple of years shy

but to me the crime was patently 'manslaughter'

because it is not reasonable to believe that anyone attempts to kill someone uses just one punch

it is not credible

The attacker was sentenced using current guidelines for this offence.

eg I don't call them anything other than what they are.

sorry that is only your opinion