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Well, there was the pervert who broke into toddlers bedrooms and fiddled them, loads of times in fact, so often that many parents didn't bother reporting it, so we didn't follow it up. Now you come to mention it, maybe it's worth a look...
Best pack the sun-cream.
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Yes,funny how these new leads are often found when the weather starts to get better.
I can't see how you think they are weather-related. Apparently, they came as a result of the BBC programme on the matter.
strange it has taken the police so long to link it to a man who committed crimes in the same area.
Portugese police completely incompetent..................
Portugese police completely incompetent..................
As were the parents.
As were the parents.
Naydam
I can't see how you think they are weather-related. Apparently, they came as a result of the BBC programme on the matter.
Are these the same reporters that covered the alleged cricket tour of Australia and the West Indies
I can't see how you think they are weather-related. Apparently, they came as a result of the BBC programme on the matter.
Are these the same reporters that covered the alleged cricket tour of Australia and the West Indies
Whilst they are at it I would suggest they impound all meat pies in the area to see if they can find any traces of Shergar.
Have they 'gone off' the 'deeply interesting' burglars now?
Tis a very complex investigation and until they can rule out everyone who happened to be in the Algarve on that fateful day, more trips will be required unfortunately - especially now the weather's picking up.
Tis a very complex investigation
Sherlock Holmes would shake his head at how long this scenario has been allowed to fester.
Sherlock Holmes would shake his head at how long this scenario has been allowed to fester.
Back to square 1 then!............DCI Andy Redwood (banging head against a brick wall) very telling.
maybe he thinks theres something behind the brick wall
Sincerely hope he's right...................after 'ALL' this time.
I'm sure that everyone will be relieved in one way or another to know the truth - please tell us.
Witham. I don't know, although I would think they would different reporters for sports. But, with the present economic climate, some multi-tasking is to be expected.
Whoever did it though, has done a good enough job to provide some information that may prove to be pivotal. Or it may lead to a new line of inquiry that could solve the case. That, after all, is the object of the exercise.
Whoever did it though, has done a good enough job to provide some information that may prove to be pivotal. Or it may lead to a new line of inquiry that could solve the case. That, after all, is the object of the exercise.
The case may have been a lot easier to solve if the parents had always given a consistent and accurate version of events that night.
Perhaps the line of questioning could have led to these inaccuracies.
crimewatch hinting its the binmen,its always the chucking binmen, no chance of been the binmen around here there to naggered after sorting through 8 bins,
That's right naydam, blame everyone except the feckless parents.
Do you really think that the police haven't explored that possibility? Maybe they still are, all options are still open. This is why they are investigating the case...to determine what happened.
dewey - in the vast majority of child abductions, it turns out either it is a hoax or the parents did it.
I can't get away from the fact that the original portuguese police investigation fingered the parents. Conflicting statements, the sniffer dogs picked up cadaver scent in their car, going for a jog the day after she went missing etc.
Alledgedly the photo they used of the child on the missing posters was an old photo and was brought over from the UK because apparently they hadn't taken a photo of her whilst on the holiday. They had taken plenty of pictures of the twins, but none of Madeleine. How many parents wouldn't take pictures of all their kids?? Maybe after the arrival of the twins, she became a burden and unloved. Maybe she was never there in the first place? Who knows?
Maybe she was sedated, had an accident or seizure, or fell in the apartment and died accidentally. Maybe there was a coverup to save their medical careers, maybe the body was hidden locally and then moved at a later date. Who knows?
Gypsies, burglars, sex offenders, child traffickers have all been conveniently named as prime suspects as the investigation progresses and then conveniently forgotten until the whole circus starts again after a couple of months.
I can't get away from the fact that the original portuguese police investigation fingered the parents. Conflicting statements, the sniffer dogs picked up cadaver scent in their car, going for a jog the day after she went missing etc.
Alledgedly the photo they used of the child on the missing posters was an old photo and was brought over from the UK because apparently they hadn't taken a photo of her whilst on the holiday. They had taken plenty of pictures of the twins, but none of Madeleine. How many parents wouldn't take pictures of all their kids?? Maybe after the arrival of the twins, she became a burden and unloved. Maybe she was never there in the first place? Who knows?
Maybe she was sedated, had an accident or seizure, or fell in the apartment and died accidentally. Maybe there was a coverup to save their medical careers, maybe the body was hidden locally and then moved at a later date. Who knows?
Gypsies, burglars, sex offenders, child traffickers have all been conveniently named as prime suspects as the investigation progresses and then conveniently forgotten until the whole circus starts again after a couple of months.
dead guy who was left his job, that was worst, on front pages as child abductor 
Nothing is happening on the libel front - it is notably 'manana'
TOURISM, TOURISM, TOURISM. Its a major part of the economy, so why would the local police make a big issue of the negatives...all swept under the carpet! Like that UK bloke whose wife got murdered in South Africa....local cops want to blame the husband.
Big H. The absence of photos of Madeleine is easily explained...SHE took the pictures!
As for all of your other 'maybes': Are you suggesting that the whole group of friends were 'in' on 'it'? They must have rehearsed their roles very well!
Don't you think it might have been just a little bit difficult to hide a body...and THEN move it later!?
And,as for this sniffer dog...No court that I know of will convict you of drug-trafficking just because a Spaniel sits down next to you. I have to assume that the same applies to 'cadaver dogs'.
As for all of your other 'maybes': Are you suggesting that the whole group of friends were 'in' on 'it'? They must have rehearsed their roles very well!
Don't you think it might have been just a little bit difficult to hide a body...and THEN move it later!?
And,as for this sniffer dog...No court that I know of will convict you of drug-trafficking just because a Spaniel sits down next to you. I have to assume that the same applies to 'cadaver dogs'.
Mar 20, 2014 -- 3:23PM, brendanuk1 wrote:
dead guy who was left his job, that was worst, on front pages as child abductor
According to The Guardian this 'new suspect' they are 'hunting for' is the same, dead , guy . At least , being dead , he won't be able to outrun the detectives .
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/20/madeleine-mcann-suspect-died-...
basically heavily hint he is child molester and child killer then say
The Guardian's source was careful to say the police had come to "no definitive conclusions" about the Cape Verdean national Euclides Monteiro, who died, aged 40, in a tractor accident.
disgusting
The Guardian's source was careful to say the police had come to "no definitive conclusions" about the Cape Verdean national Euclides Monteiro, who died, aged 40, in a tractor accident.
disgusting
Irish_Celtic put up a web address on the 2nd pulled thread last night.
It was by a lawyer who had looked into all the statements by the McCanns and Jane Tanner, thus far, the only member of the 'Tapas 9' to speak to the press, and whose alleged account of the man she said she saw walking along the top of the road carrying a young girl, was rubbish.
There are lots of reasons on that site to suspect the McCanns, but none to support their story of the 'abduction'.
If Irish_Celtic puts the site address up again, I'd advise you to read it, but it's very long. Took me well over an hour.
I see that photos are mentioned above. The McCanns were handing out photos of Madeleine a fraction over 2 hours after she was reported missing.
Somebody asked where they got these photos processed so quickly at that time of night. One of the McCanns (I think it was Kate) said she did them in the site office.
A Mark Warner representative later denied this, saying they didn't have the facilities in the site office to do these type of scans.
It was by a lawyer who had looked into all the statements by the McCanns and Jane Tanner, thus far, the only member of the 'Tapas 9' to speak to the press, and whose alleged account of the man she said she saw walking along the top of the road carrying a young girl, was rubbish.
There are lots of reasons on that site to suspect the McCanns, but none to support their story of the 'abduction'.
If Irish_Celtic puts the site address up again, I'd advise you to read it, but it's very long. Took me well over an hour.
I see that photos are mentioned above. The McCanns were handing out photos of Madeleine a fraction over 2 hours after she was reported missing.
Somebody asked where they got these photos processed so quickly at that time of night. One of the McCanns (I think it was Kate) said she did them in the site office.
A Mark Warner representative later denied this, saying they didn't have the facilities in the site office to do these type of scans.
naydam 21 Mar 14 01:44
And,as for this sniffer dog...No court that I know of will convict you of drug-trafficking just because a Spaniel sits down next to you. I have to assume that the same applies to 'cadaver dogs'.
The cadaver dogs are highly trained , and can smell the decay of HUMAN flesh. e.g. 'human death' even after items of clothing have been washed a few times.
The other dog was what you would probably call a bloodhound. Highly trained like the cadaver dog, but only to indicate the presence of blood, no matter how minute the deposits.
These 2 dog earn much more than the handlers. They are hired out in these cases at a cost of £530 a day plus expenses. Not only in the UK and Portugal, but they also went to the U.S.
In over 200 (may have been 2000, can't recall) cases, they have never made a mistake.
On independent trips to Apartment 5A on that resort, where the McCanns were staying, the 'death' dog found a scent, and later, the 'blood' dog found a scent. Both in the same place, behind the settee, up against the skirting board. When asked about the blood, Kate McCann said that Madeline had grazed her knee on the way over to Portugal.
This left police wondering:
A) why the cadaver dog smelt 'death' if the child only had a grazed knee.
B) How her 'grazed knee' managed to make a blood deposit where the floor met the skirting board, behind a settee, that the McCanns say they had never moved.
As for Madelines favourite toy, 'Cuddle Cat', why did Kate wash it, then at every photo and interview opportunity, take if from her handbag for the cameras.
Because when the cadaver dog sniffed it out, it was discarded in the bottom of a cupboard, on its own. Why would they take away her favourite toy?
And,as for this sniffer dog...No court that I know of will convict you of drug-trafficking just because a Spaniel sits down next to you. I have to assume that the same applies to 'cadaver dogs'.
The cadaver dogs are highly trained , and can smell the decay of HUMAN flesh. e.g. 'human death' even after items of clothing have been washed a few times.
The other dog was what you would probably call a bloodhound. Highly trained like the cadaver dog, but only to indicate the presence of blood, no matter how minute the deposits.
These 2 dog earn much more than the handlers. They are hired out in these cases at a cost of £530 a day plus expenses. Not only in the UK and Portugal, but they also went to the U.S.
In over 200 (may have been 2000, can't recall) cases, they have never made a mistake.
On independent trips to Apartment 5A on that resort, where the McCanns were staying, the 'death' dog found a scent, and later, the 'blood' dog found a scent. Both in the same place, behind the settee, up against the skirting board. When asked about the blood, Kate McCann said that Madeline had grazed her knee on the way over to Portugal.
This left police wondering:
A) why the cadaver dog smelt 'death' if the child only had a grazed knee.
B) How her 'grazed knee' managed to make a blood deposit where the floor met the skirting board, behind a settee, that the McCanns say they had never moved.
As for Madelines favourite toy, 'Cuddle Cat', why did Kate wash it, then at every photo and interview opportunity, take if from her handbag for the cameras.
Because when the cadaver dog sniffed it out, it was discarded in the bottom of a cupboard, on its own. Why would they take away her favourite toy?
The McCanns seemed to be organised very quickly. It is reported that at 2am and 3am, Kate phoned old school friends in the UK and said words to the effect that "we need to get things up and running". As if they had a ready made plan in place should one of the children go missing.
By 1-00 a.m. they had engaged the services of lawyers in the UK.
How were lawyers going to find the child?
They engaged the services of 3 separate detective agencies, one of which was only set up the same year she vanished, 2007.
And none of the 3 had any experience of missing child or abduction cases.
How were lawyers going to find the child?
They engaged the services of 3 separate detective agencies, one of which was only set up the same year she vanished, 2007.
And none of the 3 had any experience of missing child or abduction cases.
Black_and_Tans1920-1922 19 Mar 14 21:24
Portugese police completely incompetent..................
As were the parents.
Never have eight words summed up this sorry affair so succinctly.
Portugese police completely incompetent..................
As were the parents.
Never have eight words summed up this sorry affair so succinctly.
31. The McCanns also claimed that sniffer dogs were ‘notoriously unreliable’. They quoted a U.S. case where a cadaver dog’s alert was said to be wrong. Months later, the dog’s alert was proved right.
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mugs
The FAR bigger question is..
Will this thread last the night?
Will this thread last the night?
The dogs in question were shown on Sky news. 'They are here, because they are the best, they were used in the April Jones search' came the narrative.
No forgive me for being ignorant, but they didn't ever found the body of the Welsh toddler did they?
No forgive me for being ignorant, but they didn't ever found the body of the Welsh toddler did they?
Jun 10, 2014 -- 11:46AM, ThirdTimeLucky wrote:
The dogs in question were shown on Sky news. 'They are here, because they are the best, they were used in the April Jones search' came the narrative.No forgive me for being ignorant, but they didn't ever found the body of the Welsh toddler did they?
not sure of the facts but can the 2 cases be compared? did the police have any idea where april jones went missing or were they just searching randomly? if randomly the dogs cant really be faulted can they
the dogs couldn't possibly find April - so trying to get the two is pretty pointless as you suggest.
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