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sixtwosix
13 Feb 14 21:10
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Ffs ,just watched episode 1 .
What a superb start (only a thousand times better than the overhyped Broadchurch) .....but no new  episode until next Wednesday. Cry
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Report mrcombustible February 13, 2014 9:11 PM GMT
Keeley gets charged next week
Report A_T February 13, 2014 9:19 PM GMT
Keeley Love
Report MisterBadger February 13, 2014 9:29 PM GMT
I know what you mean 626, with series like these I tend to record them all then watch them all at once  Happy
Report sixtwosix February 13, 2014 9:50 PM GMT
Yup , wish I had done similar.
Report ReaseHeath February 13, 2014 10:56 PM GMT
superb, Keeley's boss is a wrong 'un defo.
Report bigH February 13, 2014 11:07 PM GMT
The Bridge is light years better than Line of Duty
Report pumphol. February 13, 2014 11:16 PM GMT
Then start a thread about it Crazy
Report 1st time poster February 14, 2014 4:09 PM GMT
forgot about it any repeat before the 2nd episode
Report MC Roller February 14, 2014 4:18 PM GMT
Sunday at 10.30pm, 1st time poster.
Report 1st time poster February 14, 2014 4:22 PM GMT
cheers
Report The Leopard February 19, 2014 9:02 PM GMT
On again - bbc2
Report sixtwosix February 25, 2014 1:43 PM GMT
Watched episode 2 for a second time.
Series 1 was very good , but so far this series is another level altogether.
Keeley Hawes is fantastic in this , her turnaround of being questioned was quality .......mind she must be involved in the crime , her character is far too clever , devious and never caught out.

Can't wait for episode 3.
Report Ramruma February 25, 2014 1:55 PM GMT
There does seem to be an awfully long gap between episodes.

I see Jed Mercurio, under a different name, wrote Cardiac Arrest, the best ever medical series. Blimey -- that was 20 years ago. I must be getting old.
Report GoOnThen February 25, 2014 2:03 PM GMT
Have to agree on the turning the table interview. Pure class.
Report Ramruma February 25, 2014 5:33 PM GMT
I'll be disappointed if it is the the person I think it might be, although I can't say why I fear it is a spoiler.
Report egner February 27, 2014 11:53 AM GMT
...brilliant ...very good.

....not quite as good as the scandis but getting there.
Report sixtwosix February 27, 2014 12:42 PM GMT
This seven day gap between episodes is purgatory . Thankfully I have several episodes of the also very good Salamander to work through.
Report Ramruma February 28, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
tbh I'm now worried it's getting a bit far-fetched, even as conspiracy theories go: top copper, prisoners, screws, and the missing kid. Still the best thing on telly right now, though.

My disappointing suspect was not in it this week -- I was worried because it seemed to be a Star Trek "red shirts" set-up: a character getting a lot of screen time for no apparent reason.
Report egner March 6, 2014 2:22 PM GMT
...just caught up......brilliant (as far as UK stuff goes)......

...a tangled web...

..though im sure there will be another twist somewhere.
Report sixtwosix March 6, 2014 3:02 PM GMT
Another top episode last night .
Report Ramruma March 8, 2014 1:17 PM GMT
A thundering good yarn.
Report egner March 12, 2014 10:03 PM GMT
..wow...wow..wow...

..some of the best UK tv ive seen for a lonnnggg time....

brilliant.

...is Lyndsay Denton the Keyser Soze of UK TV???!!!!

Laugh

great stuff
Report sixtwosix March 12, 2014 10:50 PM GMT
I think the answer is yup , Egner.....what a gal.
Report egner March 12, 2014 11:03 PM GMT
..the finale next week six.....

...hopefully the quality will be the same and  wont let us down!
Report egner March 12, 2014 11:09 PM GMT
...wonder who the "caddie" is....must have a big part to play next week.......

...couldn't be someone in AC12 could it?????????????????
Report pumphol. March 12, 2014 11:32 PM GMT
Looks like our Keeley has done the dep chief super up like a kipper, I was having my suspicions that she was not so squeaky clean Shocked
Report Ramruma March 13, 2014 1:00 AM GMT
I'm not sure the plot would hold water if you wrote it all down but it is tremendous telly. Is it looking like two separate conspiracies?
Report akabula March 13, 2014 1:50 AM GMT
Fantastic series. Apart from the news, sport and wildlife programmes this is the only tv I watch.
Report terry mccann March 13, 2014 3:00 PM GMT
gotta wait another bleedin week,superb stuff,and as someone said i hope as many times b4,the last one isnt a let down
Report GoOnThen March 13, 2014 4:14 PM GMT
My moneys on Archie from Emmerdale being the wrong un.
Report BobbyPeru March 15, 2014 3:35 AM GMT
A pat on the back to Nigel Clough for finding the time in his busy schedule to star in this fantastic show.
Report sixtwosix March 19, 2014 10:32 AM GMT
Not too long to wait now folks ....Ms Denton is behind it without a shadow of a doubt imo. But I have an odd suspicion that the police officer she did not kill in the car park is her accomplice .....we shall see.
Report paddletoe March 19, 2014 10:40 AM GMT
Hopefully the ending will be as good as the rest of the series.
Report sixtwosix March 19, 2014 11:09 PM GMT
As with a good novel , the ending is always by far the hardest part.

And so it is that Line Of Duty Series 2 ending is  slightly tepid.

I don't think you can create a character as intelligent , devious and sharp witted as Lindsay Denton and then .......she gets copped with loads of dodgy money in her house .....really .
Report BrendanScrote March 20, 2014 1:43 AM GMT
Just one question .... where did the CCTV of Mike Dryden and Carly Kirk come from ?

He never left the reception with her as she got driven off by the baddies after Dryden caught his BJ short when he saw Denton watching?

Not much gets past the CCDA
Report Jack Bauer '24' March 20, 2014 2:31 AM GMT
She did drive off with Dryden before the BJ and Denton followed them. Carly then runs off after getting beaten up by Tommy.

It was pretty obvious that Dot was the Caddy and was involved in the conspiracy. It's all there in the final 2 minutes of the last episode of the first series.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xshpa0_line-of-duty-1x05-hdtv-x264-fov_shortfilms
Report BrendanScrote March 20, 2014 8:01 AM GMT
Thx for that Jack ... Denton must have parked outside the statino & walked there
Report terry mccann March 20, 2014 8:23 AM GMT
is hastings on to him already?offers dott a job to keep a beady eye on him,got to be a series 3 innit
Report Ramruma March 20, 2014 9:42 AM GMT
Might need to rewatch the ending but the Akers/Denton stuff did not seem to add up. It felt grafted on.
Report Ramruma March 20, 2014 11:45 AM GMT
If there's betting on the BAFTAs, best drama, best writer and best actor in a leading role are all sewn up.
Report BARROWBOY March 20, 2014 3:28 PM GMT
brilliant series,but agree with sixtwosix to portray the central character as so sharp & smart then get caught out with bundles of cash in the bedroom was a poor ending.
Report Ramruma March 20, 2014 4:10 PM GMT
Yes, very poor ending. Would be better to have her get away with it -- we'd already seen in the flashback she was guilty -- she agreed to help but changed her mind at the last minute when she veered off the agreed route.
Report paddletoe March 20, 2014 7:11 PM GMT
It was definitely amateur hour when it came to writing the ending. Up until then it was one of the best shows I have seen all year.

I mean why would you plan the killing of a protected witness which also involved the murder of three coppers. I would have been four murdered cops if Denton had not been so lucky. She was going to get clipped too. The opening scene was brilliant in episode one but the plot had so many holes when you looked back.
Report paddletoe March 20, 2014 7:17 PM GMT
You kill four coppers in order to get someone else. Could you possibly draw more attention to one murder? I don't think so.

Surely it would be a lot easier to make a phone call to one of the criminals the super grass was going to inform on. No possible reason you would need to kill four coppers in the process other than it seeming to provide a good opening scene. There were some brilliant scenes in the series but the ending devalued them when you looked back on everything and nothing added up.
Report blackbarn March 20, 2014 7:21 PM GMT
paddletoe - Since you obviously missed the final episode. This will help.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/review/a558882/line-of-duty-episode-6-review-what-were-the-final-twists.html
Report Ramruma March 20, 2014 8:59 PM GMT
Here is what I think we learned from the flashbacks.

1) Prassad, Cole, Dot Cotton and the Limping Guy were the original bent coppers
2) Dryden got Denton pregnant, made her have an abortion, then dumped her -- she is "woman scorned"
3) Dryden backs out of deal with Gnagster/Supergrass/Protected Witness (G/S/PW)
4) G/S/PW (and/or his ex-colleagues) try to blackmail Dryden by setting him up with under-age Carly
5) Dryden is about to get **** when he sees Denton, who is stalking him, and throws Carly out of car
6) Dryden takes wife's speeding points to establish alibi in case Denton reports him + Carly
7) Carly is beaten up by G/S/PW, runs away and is never seen again
8) Villains murder Carly lookalike and bury her under garage to increase pressure on Dryden who was last person to see "murdered Carly" alive
9) Villains decide to spring G/S/PW
10) Cotton bribes Akers to set up G/S/PW for ambush
11) Akers recruits Denton to help
12) Denton changes mind at last minute and veers off agreed route
13) Prassad & Cole (or villains) see this on tracking device, panic because they think they've been betrayed by G/S/PW who has cut a new deal with witness protection, so kill everyone (bar Denton)

And the rest we saw over the first five episodes.

The trouble is there is no reason for Akers to have involved Denton. She already had control over G/S/PW and could have moved him anywhere or directed the bad guys to the safe house. Still, even if the finale made not a lick of sense, it was a bloody good first five episodes.
Report ReaseHeath March 20, 2014 9:22 PM GMT
^agreed - ending seemed rushed and I did n't really like the 'two months earlier' retrospective.

In other news, Steve needs to give his head a shake, dunno what he was thinking - postponing a rematch with Jolly Rogerson for a night on the lash with misery guts Kate.
Report ours4keeps March 20, 2014 9:48 PM GMT
Agree that the last episode felt rushed. We didn't see enough of the investigation and finding of new evidence while the action lingered on the relationship between Denton and Cloughy (probably deliberate in a lot of ways to fool the viewer into thinking it was true) and then the use of flashbacks in the last 20 minutes to fill in all the gaps just felt unnecessary. It would have been better in that case to not explain everything and leave us guessing. Great series but the pacing slipped at the end.
Report MisterBadger March 21, 2014 4:44 AM GMT
Firstly, what I want to know is who took the pics of the bj - it wasn't Denton as she was not in the right position relative to the car?

Secondly, I think the performance of Keely Hawes was utterly captivating, she genuinely stole every single scene in which she appeared. And anyone who bleats on about the BBC licence fee should go **** themselves... regardless of the weak plotting in the final episode, this was top tellying by the beeb, imo
Report Ramruma March 21, 2014 6:24 AM GMT
@MisterBadger -- the bj blackmail pics were taken by Prassad on behalf of the baddies in order to blackmail Dryden. We saw Prassad at the drinks do where Carly (who was not officially working there, even though dressed as a waitress) was introduced to Dryden. The pics were later found in Prassad's possession.

Denton was stalking Dryden after he ended their affair (and after her abortion). As Carly went down on him, Dryden looked out of the car window and saw Denton, and panicked, which is why he threw Carly out of the car and then took his wife's speeding points in order to provide himself with an alibi (ie he must have been wherever the speeding offence took place) in case Denton reported seeing him with Carly.
Report akabula March 21, 2014 6:39 AM GMT
The last episode was as poor as they come and spoiled the series. In saying poor I actually mean total cwrap
Report terry mccann March 21, 2014 10:16 AM GMT
nice touch with the "caddie" ending up at the golf course,the ending was ok and surely the reason they used denton was that they needed a patsy,series 3 is due next year i seeHappy
Report MisterBadger March 21, 2014 1:04 PM GMT
That's what I thought ramruma, but it's stretching credibility to think that denton & prasad would not have seen each other at the scene... let alone dryden acting like that in a public place in broad daylight - I mean, surely he would at least drive her to a remote location first
Report egner March 21, 2014 10:51 PM GMT
...disappointing final episode...very actually...

..although still the best UK stuff since "The Hour" and "The Shadow Line" imo.
Report MisterBadger March 21, 2014 11:46 PM GMT
anyone who liked this would also like the red riding trilogy imo... well worth downloading
Report Ramruma March 22, 2014 1:34 AM GMT
@MisterBadger -- Prassad might have seen Denton but presumably would have been trying to hide so he was not seen by Dryden. However, I think the idea was that he did not see Denton and thus concluded Dryden was spooked by seeing him (Prassad) taking photos, so the blackmail plot was nixed and they decided to kill G/S/PW (and Akers etc) instead.

Really the whole thing was a bit messy, as if writer Jed Mercurio spent so much time on the twists and turns that he lost control of the plot, so we got this rushed finale with most of the rationalisation in a series of flashbacks. And as you say, we also are asked to suspend disbelief slightly too often.

One thing I'm in two minds about is DS Steve Arnott as a ladies man. He isn't conventionally handsome and often (perhaps due to makeup and lighting) seemed a bit shabby and grubby, so it is hard to see why women threw themselves at him. On the other hand, those serial shaggers I've known also fit this bill (apart from not being clean) so who knows?
Report RockMonkey March 22, 2014 2:23 AM GMT
Agree with general consensus-great series,poor ending. Scenes with Neil Morrissey seemed there just to re-emphasise link with series one. No proper explanation about the full reasoning for the original 'hit' & where the money came from. Who was going to benefit financially (& how) for Tommy's murder? Was it just so Akers & Dot could claim Tommy's share of whatever they were all involved in? Having said all that, look forward to series 3.
Report A_T March 22, 2014 7:35 AM GMT
Classic example of a writer setting up a good mystery but not knowing how to resolve it - so it failed as a drama,

+1 for Red Riding - the best UK TV series of the last 10 years.
Report Ramruma March 22, 2014 8:02 AM GMT
tbh I thought Red Riding was a let-down. I've not seen series 1 of LoD but the consensus seems to be it was different from this series.
Report pumphol. March 22, 2014 9:48 AM GMT
Not sure how often I have made a point of saying the final episode was a let down on a British drama but if I have said it once I have said it a dozen times on here over the years, what is slightly different with this " finale " was that it wasn't a finale as such, the finish was done  with a further series planned, saying that it was a bit of a let down but no that bad in the context that it was  an excellent series  & good enough to look past that last episode & say overall it was great TV.
Report sixtwosix March 22, 2014 4:48 PM GMT
The more I think about it , it was actually terribly disappointing .

The money found in the house  ,
The handy tracking device shaped branch ,
The ease which she took the bribe off Akers with no concerns of being set up ,
Using O'Neill's log in which he knew she could ....really he would not lock his machine or change his password.

We did not need the story of Lindsay Denton being finished off in a nice box with a bow on it , this was not a formulaic USA 45 minute crime drama.
It was far more likely that despite their suspicions they would not be able to snare this cunning fox.

Like school days when your teacher(not these days of course) would throw your homework back to you if he felt you had done poorly ....'Mr Writer have another go and do it properly'
Report MisterBadger March 22, 2014 7:38 PM GMT
quite apart from anything else keely really suited that dark hair colour  Love
Report Ramruma March 22, 2014 7:45 PM GMT
@sixtwosix -- yes, and it is not clear how moving the tracking device helped Denton. If she'd left it where it was, Denton could have told AC12 that it proved she was not the "inside man" else there'd be no need to track her car.

And while taking the money from Akers after thirty seconds' thought was stupid, although in story terms, Denton needed the cash for her mum's care home, it beggars belief that Denton -- who clearly knew Akers was guilty -- tried to frame Dryden (even allowing for the abortion).
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