people on benefit being made to feel like jews in nazi germany

Most over the top thread title ever ?

a very good post bodil

Family/clan.  Observe how our Pakistani community illustrate the strength of this institution.  And to a slightly lesser extent our other Asian neighbours.

hmm i wondered why they fill a complete trolley full of milk in the Asda , the 4 litre pound bargains had all sold out but they never hesitated to fill it full of 2 litre 89p jobbies , money's not an issue , they're all in it together ....

Agree with the opening poster.

When is the last time you ever saw anyone on eastenders, coronation street or emerdale signing on the dole? Its like being on the dole is a bad thing instead of a very natural and normal thing when you cant get a job.

I have seen our economy decline steadily since I have been born

and yes Bodil I believe it is our  individualism which has always been the cause

contrast our society with Germany, and it is very easy to see

it is near impossible to create the perfect society, but we really need to be doing a lot better

than we are now, just blaming each other does not help

We must stabilise our population and look to reduce it in the future

to continue to mindlessly increase is bad, but yes this may threaten individualism

China, so far, is the only society to attempt to deal with responsibly

other countries must follow

The unemployable should be given rented allotments to be self sufficient and tokens to make up the rest.

Hmmm ...

another interesting China experiment, Capitalism within a Communist society, worth a look

Uncontrolled Capitalism led to the Credit Crunch, which has left the world in recession, with no immediate

hopes of getting out of it, we need to find a way of preventing this from happening again

A difficult one I accept but we must find a way

Don't you think we need a world war to sort it out, thus killing millions and countries having to start to re invest again.

When the Tories had their latest political love-in rally, I was immediately struck by the mantra of their conference: 'Hard working people', which was repeated over and over again - and how similar it was to the Nazi's 'Arbeit macht frei' above the gates of concentration camps.

Goebbels would be proud of them.

Yesterday (I think) Jonathon Aiteken was interviewed on News24 at around half past 5 about his new book.
Remember; he was a Thatcher adorer, but even he gave some surprising information of just how hard and nasty she really was.

To accompany the interview they showed some old footage of Thatcher in her final years when suffering Alzheimer's disease and her having to be helped to walk and be steadied (as she was in such a poor state) from which ever doorway she was coming from to wave to her adoring supporters.

I then recalled that in her final years neither of her multi-millionaire children 'took her in' to give her one-to-one care - and even on her death Carol didn't even return from abroad until some time later.

The ethos Thatcher lived by: "One For One and One At All Times - And Sod The Rest" - had come back to bite her in her final years.
Would she have been sorry about it if she even knew what was going on?
I doubt it, such was the evilness of the woman.

Which is probably why her kids couldn't give a stuff too.

Unfortunately, Thatcher's poison has spread across this land like some kind of noxious gas.
That gas needs to be capped.

the unemployed are the victims of our economic system not the cause

so before we blame them, we need to try to create an economic system that offers jobs for all

only then do we have a moral right to point the finger at them imo

ebulGery you have not seen the economy decline every year since you were born.
The population was much smaller and even working families didn't have 2/3 cars, 9000 inch TV screens in every room in the house, or holiday apartments in Barcalona, Miami & the island of Mystic.

I agree Tommy Toes...and Cameron is doing just the same

The Thatcher era destroyed me personally, we created a vicious society, too much for me

I disagree Northern Lad

because not everybody has 2/3 cars and the latest monster tellie do they,

look at our public debt, our balance of payments...it used to in the black, our unemployment

a time was when everybody who left school could get a job..there was also hope then, we had manufacturing industries

and as I have posted previously, we were better off when we had a smaller population

..all I see now is a desert

so before we blame them, we need to try to create an economic system that offers jobs for all

Or the skills and land to be self sufficient.

i belive we are better off now as we export more high end products and foreign investment in the UK , but not all the riches get filtered down .

obviously thats bad news for the man in the street who used to work in say, heavy industry .


as somebody as already noted ,the average lifestyle nowadays is twice as expensive as the 1970s equivalent (car or cars ,phone or phones ,cable,holidays,,better homes to live in ,better leisure facilities,better quality food,advanced technology,designer clothes etc,etc) but folk wouldn't  want to work twice the hours of course

you are on the windup Angel you must be

those of us without green fingers would starve, or is that the idea

the downside is there are many more unemployed or those in low paid work who get caught up in the 'other half boom' who arent entitled to help

high prices is an obvious example

it's a problem that needs addressing

rent should never cost more than 20% of a net salary imo  ,so maybe housing help to those on a low wage regardless of their age/savings etc

high house prices *

you have a point Northern lad....we do indeed have better products and services

that has always been strong point of Capitalism, but at a cost, our quality of life has deteriorated

we have created more inequalities, a vicious society, so a few have gained, but not all, a lot have suffered

people would work twice the hours, but for that they need a job to start with, otherwise it is difficult

I suppose I am older, the 60s and 70s were good for me, so I accept I am biased

but I notice a few realities, where is the wealth of the World going, the far East, not to us

it was a lot cheaper to drink and smoke in the past, the health service was a lot better, we could get to see a doctor

travel was heaper, I had holidays abroad, everything was cheaper, I had my own bungalow, my needs were satisfied

so what we have gained, is it really what we need, or is it what we are supposed to need

^ you could argue that the 'wealth enjoyed' in the 70s  eg smoking and drinking  is being paid for now 


it was a lot cheaper to drink and smoke in the past, the health service was a lot better, we could get to see a doctor

travel was heaper, I had holidays abroad, everything was cheaper

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are you sure things were cheaper in the 70s ?  apart from housing and cigarettes/beer i can't think of much else  -  that's why not everyone back then had cars /phones or video recorders 

video recorders were not invented until the 80's, nor mobile phones...so it would have been difficult for people to

have them....what we did not have , we did not miss

we do have better goods now, I have admitted that, but not everybody can afford them...also houses were as good then as now

and affordable... I am poorer, but the nobody would ever employ me. I am too old

we need a lot less people and a lot more jobs in this country, increasing our population is bonkers....we are headed for Armegeddon

EG - do you recall the going rate for a VCR being around £600 (min) in the early 80's!

'video recorders were not invented until the 80's' -  err, wrong

I didn't say anything about cell phones    i just said 'phones'

houses then were awful lol  - you can't compare the two - A 70s standard house today (i went to view one last week) would be best described  as needing 'TLC'
- thats estate agent speak for around £20,000 to bring up to todays living standards 

i would say that most folk faced with living in the 1970s would sooner hang themselves from blackfriars bridge  - the only thing is  30- 40 years and 1970s leaded petrol has clouded their judgement 

CB - generally speaking, besides the internet, I'd say average homes haven't changed since the 80's... the main transition was from  70's - 80's as central heating, double glazing, fancy kitchens & cheaper cars became the norm.

I had a phone in the 70's...

well we are all of our age I suppose, personally if I had any sense I would hang myself rather than live in todays world

where are all our wonderful modern goods made, not in this country, how long do you think we can sustain this

all this countries money is going abroad..we are finished

anyway uncontrolled immigration must stop, we must control our population and gradually decrease it(by natural means)

only then will we get back prosperity for all and not just the richest in our society

well Navel , you can still buy a 70s  standard house today ,one i looked at was selling for around 70% of the normal price   

even taking this into account ,i would have to agree that houses are still 50 % more than they should be in most areas - and that's not good


having said that, interest rates in the 70s and 80s were atrocious - so you were paying a lot more for your house in real terms -it would have made sense to consider renting back then for a time imo

where are all our wonderful modern goods made, not in this country, how long do you think we can sustain this

all this countries money is going abroad..we are finished
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most everyday goods arent made in the UK because UK goods were either of a high quality -so out of range of the working man ,or more likely -  shoddy .

this is why i, and everyone else drives a German/Japanese  car

we export a lot of high end goods  ,we just don't make a lot of clothing  or grow spuds

but that can be produced cheaper abroad

CB - debates about interest rates in the 70's just get me confused...I was only a kid then

Can you think of much more (than I mentioned ) that's changed considerably regarding home-life since the 80's?

UK is awash with money ,but it doesn't filter down to where it should.

whats more, a lot of industrialised areas had no time to adapt to changing tastes/requirements  of the UK public


folk wanted either cheaper or better quality goods and didn't mind where it came from - in the cae of clothes most of it is /was made in Bangladesh etc

CB - debates about interest rates in the 70's just get me confused...I was only a kid then Happy

Can you think of much more (than I mentioned ) that's changed considerably regarding home-life since the 80's?

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Navel-  i was only a kid too but certainly remember the old man moaning about energy prices /inflation and strikes  etc

home life - i would say folk are more insular now and move on more,less community spirit agreed ,(less anti social behaviour at a guess-) - much more expensive holidays , visit pubs far less and maybe made do with fish and chips -less ding out .Food was certainly much more basic ,a '70s style' food bill today would today be half of your normal shopping -   the average house consists of more gadgetry ,cable TV ,various phones,i pads,pods blah blah - TV sets in every room lol add a conservatory , modern kitchen ,range,new hobs  and fans  with various machines and aids - showers ,en suites no outside toilets or coal bunkers decking and BBQ areas ,summerhouses -the list is endless really

folk travel further to work - oh,and cars start up in the morning and run without breaking down and rusting away

sorry - since the 80s  ,misread that as since the 70s

ok since 1980s then

err,just a few things from the above add the internet ,sky of course -prices have remained pretty stable since then  - more folk seperated and living apart too

should add visited pubs more then , a sense of community was to be found at the local -most just come on here now 

and going back to original thread title , more claiming benfeits now too


anyway time for bed now -  my English is cr@p and getting worse -thats something that has deteriorated in the UK  too


nite fellas

CB - I did say the 80's mate...in reality, not that much has changed concerning home-life, or at least from the perspective of someone who's 48 now.

Yes, I recall cars being very unreliable and as you say, the regular diet of the day has had an overhaul and attitudes have altered dramatically in a short space of time but some of the other 'perks' you mentioned are things that we easily functioned without - I did qualify the original post by saying besides the internet, which encompasses most of the technological advances you mention.

PS - I remember getting my subbuteo players trodden on (and decapitated) when the power cuts occurred

Getting back to the point. It was the deregulation of the banking sector that led to the banking crisis.
Tory cuts just exacerbated the situation, led to recession and job cuts.
It seems very strange for people on here who have enough money & jobs to spend much of their time gambling, to lay the blame at the unemployed's door, most of whom cannot find work.
We can't compare the economic conditions of today with the 1960 where  many working class men had jobs, many in heavy industry, while far fewer women worked, anymore than we can compare employment in the 1960's to employment in the Victorian era.
If the government are determined to get people off benefits, they should start to invest massively in retraining people with genuine schemes to teach them new and relevant skills. Providing funds for investment bypassing the banks for new small businesses . Far too little of government money is spent on investment in things like infrastructure, and the Tories never invest in people, apart from those who are filthy rich in the first place.

NL5 - just where does this legendary reputation you have come from?
You seem to be talking MY language chief

So many on here seem to be convinced you're a bellend...am I finally losing it in not seeing what everyone else can?

PS - there's a compliment mangled up in that nonsense somewhere 

Original poster is correct.

It suits those at the top to turn workers against non workers.
Vilifying the unemployed means the others in insecure employment become
more compliant and happier to work for a pittance.
     Meanwhile the rich avoid far more in taxes , while living in ever greater
isolation and safety away from the masses.

Inequality grows yet its all the fault of the unemployed/Immegrants.
Nothing to do with the ruling classes making exhorbitant profits off the
back of the workers

To understand that NG you need to go and read through the politics forum.
I say 'politics', but in reality it is nothing more than a 'race hate' forum. As I have just made clear to them if you substituted the words 'immigrant', 'Muslim', or 'Dianne Abbott', for the word 'Jew', the politics forum would make the Nazi propaganda of the 1930's on, look & sound tame in comparison.

you seemed to have changed sides northern lad

I agree with your last post

I think most of the comparisons, saying life is better now than in the 70s..only apply to the rich and middle class

That was what Thatcherism was all about...and Cameron of course, we ignore those at the bottom of our society

if the rich and middle classes cannot use them...then they are worthless

In fact Cameron now  thinks their benefits are in a drain on the rich and middle classes...so they are now the enemy

as the OP implied...

since most people are at the bottom because they cannot get a job, I find that totally unacceptable

still since Thatcher and Cameron were democratically elected I assume that is the society most people want


A different point is tha tof our problem with people living longer...but to propose more immigration to deal with this

is frankly insane....since in the long term we would increase the problem not decrease it. For a government think tank

to come up with that, appals me

No, we must stop uncontrolled immigration now, we must stabiles our population and then gradually decrease it. To deal with the care

of the elderly there are better solutions. They must care for themselves better, they care for each other or in fact our young unemployed

can be trained to care for them....that is the only sensible solution

and people if people live longer they must work longer, there no need for immigration, except for skills we do not have, and a trickle

you always get, who do such things as cleaning toilets etc. But future populations must go down not up.

I'm pleased to say I've never ventured into that cess-pool - I've read threads on here about where the nutters like to hang out and that location seems to get the nod ahead of even the football hooligans' forum!   

I must have said this a few times but I hate everyone equally anyhow...even white English male heterosexual BALD Scousers! 
The REAL enemy are the corrupt & privileged - they sicken me!

also of course machines and computers reduce the need for labour. Another reason we must look to decrease not increase

our population long term. I don't think we need to follow China's one child policy just yet. But poorer countries, should seriously

consider this imo

you are extremely fair in your hatred NG

It`s all down to the human condition. People need someone to look down on to make them feel successful and superior. Capitalism is the scourge of civilisation. There are people all over the world dying of starvation yet the West dumps excess food to keep the prices up before giving it to them.

EG - alas, I represent every such demographic...the thatch went years ago

PS - there doesn't seem to be any legal recognition of Scousism or baldism (it's insidious ) so I just have to take it all on the chin...my balls are big enough so why doesn't everyone else just laugh off their minority complex?

PS - shouldn't that have been invidious, not insidious?
OK guys...I've had a few tonight

4 pages of pish and i haven't even posted yet.

the economy is like an elastic band, it's pretty stretched at the moment given our national debt and ageing population. one of the easier ways to alleviate the stress is to get work shy people to work, or at least not subsidise them. yes, some people are not able to work, etc etc etc.

so "people on benefit being made to feel like jews in nazi germany" is a bit offensive TBH, not to me personally but my conscience on behalf of my perception of the typical touchy fecker....

and it's partly vindicated. people in full time jobs spend half their waking lives through the week, working. that gives working people the right to gripe about it, because if our morally sound nation could not gripe about that, there wouldn't be much more worthy things to gripe about.

PPS - just had the lexicon out and it seems both will do in that context

I am NOT a fascist. But it is like a lifeboat, you let too many on board, it sinks, everybody drowns.

At some stage one must say, enough is enough. Our governments first duty is to the people of this country

we cannot allow uncontrolled numbers of people to enter our country, or like a lifeboat we will surely sink.

What I am proposing is common sense, surely people can see that.

I agree with you about shy people erse2

but for people to work, there does have to be jobs

I know people who cannot find a job, because there is no work

so before anybody condemns them, can you please offer them a job

sure ebulGery,

unless you have a communist ideal, the way to create jobs is to create a job for yourself. after all, it's private enterprise that pays for the 30-40% of the workforce in public sector jobs.

becoming a window cleaner earning 'only' 10K a year and propped up by income support is better than 0k income and fully reliant on benefits.

too many people lose their job...

go to the job centre...

don't like what's on offer...

point fingers.

Unfortunately EG the first half of your reply was right up to the immigrant & reduction in population
part. I don't have a problem with people who think immigration is a major problem or that the population should be reduced, if they but reasoned arguments to support those views though I disagree profusely with them.
The problem I have with  the mass majority of posters on the 'Politics' & some on 'Chit Chat' is they are not in the slightest bit interested in whether immigration is of benefit to the UK or not, they just hate foreigners or anybody from any minority group.
I believe in free speech, fair play (Queensbury Rules) and all that. What the OP said about the unemployed on this thread is a thousand times more true of immigrants & Muslims in particular.
At least there will be plenty of unemployed to defend themselves on a website like this, there are not likely to be many Muslims who will come out and admit it on a gambling website. So they are an easy target.
This is not an 'anything goes' no matter how absurd & offensive forum/s. It is a Betfair entertainment website forum/s. There are rules that are supposed to be enforced by the moderators-

4.  All users of the Betfair Forum agree not to post any item or any links to content that TSEG deems:
1. to be defamatory or discloses information that the user has no legal right to disclose, or is otherwise illegal;
2. to be (or contains anything which is) racist, vulgar, hateful, obscene, profane, threatening, insulting or offensive.

Many posters have been banned for life from these forums whose comments at worst could only be seen as insulting or mildly offensive, in comparison with some of the race hate posts strictly forbidden by Betfair's own rules.
You will note that 'links to content' are the first thing mentioned. Yet there is a poster who gives 'stormfront' a Neo Nazi, White Supremacist website as the link to his racist views.  Other racist comments and views by these people are allowed to stand, whilst innocent  posts about Cricket,  Atheism/Belief & Miracles are routinely removed without any explanation from Betfair.

4.2 Clearly forbids anything which, & the first thing mentioned is racism.
The politics forum is littered with 'race hate' comments from the same culprits day in, day out.
Posts are rarely removed, and seemingly those who post, never warned, let alone suspended or banned.

there are no jobs in the job centre near me

not everybody can become self employed or set up their own business

what is the cause of all this... the Credit Crunch

the failure of Capitalism....the suffering it has caused especially in poorer countries is appalling

all the jobs that used to be on offer in my local job centre...they have disappeared

so we are now playing the blame game...where is the finger pointed? to those at the bottom of society

in fact the victims.....

yes I still believe in Communism.. even though I know all its faults....

we must forgoe all our fancy goods, well maybe not all, we need justice in this world

I hope one day people see this

immigration is an extremely sensitive subject Northern lad, I accept that

but we must have control over our population numbers, I am sorry, I fear disaster otherwise

That EG may, or may not be the case, but is no excuse for blatant racism posted regularly on both here, but far more prevalent on the Politics Forum.

If the government are determined to get people off benefits, they should start to invest massively in retraining people with genuine schemes to teach them new and relevant skills.

This should be happening but as our political leaders only deal on a `short termism` basis then they will not invest now to see possitive results for another party after the next general election. It is not really a vote winner so either but it would benefit society in the long run. IDS only has eyes on unemployment figures for the short term.

Ideally kids should be leaving education with at least a foundation in a skill, and not just Call of Duty.

"That EG may, or may not be the case, but is no excuse for blatant racism posted regularly on both here, but far more prevalent on the Politics Forum. "

It saddens me to say that I agree with you on this.  At the time of writing 5 of the top 8 threads on the politics forum have something to do with immigration.  Sad times.

Why is that sad? It reflects that a majority of people are concerned that we don't have the resources to cope with a population that is continually growing.

That's not racist its sensible

Java are you saying that anyone who has concerns about immigration is a " blatant racist " ?

That seemed to be the implication

I'm fully in favour of a sensible debate on immigration, and despise when the Left hinder debate of the subject using accusations of racism.

However, I think if a forum has 70% of it's active threads on the topic of immigration, then I start to suspect something is wrong.  Surely there are many other political subjects which can be debated.

Yes theres plenty to debate but people will discuss whats on their mind and important to them. Its obvious that the majority has realised that as a country we're full up and only natural to discuss it.

I say 'politics', but in reality it is nothing more than a 'race hate' forum.

And yet Northy is one of the few regulars on Politics to have been given a ban.
Which shows who the powers that be consider to be the racist.

It doesn't take Northy long to twist any discussion into one about race.

He's race mad and appears to view all white people as serious racists.

Of course its only a matter of time before half the posters are saying "send 'em back 'ome" and the other half are crying "racist".

That's as far as it ever gets

I've read up to the end of page 2 and there is some slightly mixed up thinking. We need a perm of the following...

a) A rise in immigration, not a fall.
b) To significantly raise the retirement age.
c) To drastically reduce the treatments provided on the NHS.
d) To drastically reduce employment regulations.
e) To drastically reduce the state pension.
f) To freeze housing benefit.

This is not a gung ho charge from the right flank, more a realistic appraisal of the situation.
Europe is spectacularly uncompetitive in terms of overall labour costs, and has used up all its best natural resources. We simply cannot possibly compete with the likes of the BRICs on either front, and once they start to get more wealthy (causing appreciation of currency and higher wages), then Africa and South East Asia are on hand to fill in.

We need to get real. The EU is the fat diabetic old man of the world economy - eaten too much during the good centuries. We need to get fitter or die trying.

In my opinion the writing has been on the wall for a long time. I believe that a large proportion of growth in GDP in the last 50 years or so has been because of women entering the workplace.

Angel Gabrial hit the nail on the head regarding short termism, but then you cant say that was the case under Attlee, that wasnt short termist.
As far as ideologies are concerned privatisation is extrememe short termism. Its selling an asset (which is creating profit) for short term gain mainly for the minority at the cost of the majority.

The veneer of 'investment' is always used to hide the fact that profiteering from things like energy and water where cartels exist and nobody has this 'competitive option of freemarkets'
Prices always rise under a sell off, the balance of payments is always effected and the rich make a bundle.

The tories benefited from around 160 billion pounds windfall during the 80s from selling North sea Oil and privatisation.
If the allegations are that Labour spend other people's money then the tories steal other people's rights to 'ownership' of things.

Tories are greedy fookers. I really hope somebody sticks their nut on one sharpish.

thats a peanut btw
(dont wish to be accused of encouraging violence)

extrememe short termism

that was actually a mistake, but ironically true...mememememe

On this I have to disagree Dusty

We need to get real. The EU is the fat diabetic old man of the world economy - eaten too much during the good centuries. We need to get fitter or die trying.

One problem is Germany....you see they are still very competitive are they not

The EU did run up too much debt, but everything would have been ok if it were not for the Credit Crunch, that is what has broken

the World economy. That came from America

are women entering the workplace really benefitting us. Some do of course, those with ability and intelligence

but that is by no means all...in fact all men hardly fit that description

and as for making us fitter and leaner, that is hardly going to put money into the economy is it

I totally agree with you about the Tories though

This country has to compete against the rest of the World that is for sure. But to do that everybody has to have

a sense of duty. It is not just about creating a totally vicious society of competition and nothing else.

That is in fact our mistake, but I know we wont change...we are a terminally divisive society...and despite

some people trying the right thing....I believe we are finished..but hope I am wrong

just some thoughts tbh, I don't have the answer, unfortunately I know there is no government we can elect which has either

but it is their job, not mine

That is where I think you are wrong EG. “ Ask not what has this country has done for me, but what I can do for my country!”  OK  maybe I'm being a little pedantic with that quote, but what I'm saying is that there is a political party that was designed specifically to move the common man forward from serfdom to equal members of society along with the land owning toffs of the past.
The Labour Party may have lost its way catastrophically during the Blair years but don't throw the baby.....  It is only the working man/women & traditional core supporter of Labour that can turn it back to where it should be and no matter how tiring the process that is what working people up & down this country must do. That process has already begun and no matter how old or tired you may feel you have the same responsibility to try and improve conditions for ordinary citizens as the working man has always had.

“


Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

Bob Dylan

What is the collective noun for a bunch of fruitcakes?

You should know RCT, posting a pic of a swimming tortoise along with your ridiculous username - neither of which makes any sense!

Incorrect,please try again later.A swimming tortoise is generally refered to as a turtle-they frequent the sea you know.

On a thread about people on benefit being ostracised, marginalized & made scapegoats for the Tory banking fraudsters - "Were Sorry" said 'Fred the Shred' & his 'We made a killing' mates while collecting their multi-million pay off's.
Swimming turtles/tortoises are not a logical addition to the debate.

Go hug a tree!

Obviously a lib/dem!

Yes, there are people that want handouts....."something for nothing"......There are also grafters.....Those who aren't afraid to put in 50, 60,or even 100+ hours per week "people who agree with the principle "something for something"..... These grafters, our salt of the earth, are being crucified by this abominable coalition.....Tories by their unremitting greed, and the Lib Dems by their unremitting stupidity.

It was Brown and Darling that socialised the losses, let's not let them off.

Coincidentally after Brown and Darling had socialised the losses of the British banks the rest of Europe followed suit and also the US.

It didn`t matter what colour tie these men had around their necks, the banking `packages` would have happened. Even the left understand the importance of the banking sector for British success, could any government afford for it to crash? in reality.

That is true, but it was Blair and Brown who had been responsible for regulating the banks for 11 years before the crash.

They allowed an economic bubble because either because it was politically expedient or because Brown was so arrogant he really did think that he'd tamed the entire economy.

There's no excuse, whichever it was.

It's also entirely Labour's fault that the national debt and deficit got so bad.

Quite.

It was Brown who continually claimed to have ended boom and bust, millions believed him.

He did end boom and bust!

Boom has gone up in smoke!

Remember also that politicians cant put the genie back in the bottle.
Before the crash Labour wouldnt have got back in while self (de) regulation was seemingly working.
How could any politician get voted in saying 'yes things are good but we plan to restrict the good times because things might crash badly'?

Now we know the truth that self regulation doesnt work because the greedy just get greddier behind closed doors and people will listen now.

greedier

"just get greddier behind closed doors and people will listen now"

They won't.  In 5 years it will be distant memory while the electorate are lapping up another credit boom and demanding increased public services but not wanting to pay more tax.  And of course, the politicians of the day will agree to get voted in and we'll start again.

well we can all guess when the next inevitable crash occurs (as they seem unavoidable) but the point is now they've had the kick in the bolux it will remain in the mind (even for a time while people think they are god again like the spivs from the 80s)

northernlad5
16 Oct 13 20:23   
Swimming turtles/tortoises are not a logical addition to the debate.

Go hug a tree!

And guess who brought up the subject of RCT's avatar

Northernutjob is a self-confessed dyslexic who can't spell anyway, and told us some months ago that he doesn't not use a spell checker.

I don't read all the waffling from Menelaus, but I have never spotted a spelling mistake in anything of his that I have read.

Combine that with the fact they both got banned at the same time, and one came back a week before the other to allay suspicion.

You never see them have a cross word with each other either.

This amounts to definitive proof that NL and Menelaus are the same poster.

Not back yet, nutjob?

This amounts to definitive proof that NL and Menelaus are the same poster.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I take it that you aren't a scientist, mathematician, or even a lawyer. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're not wrong, but neither am I.

One day certain people on these forums may get around to addressing the topic instead of other posters.

Playing the ball - not the man!

You're not wrong, but neither am I.

Yes you are, and I'm not, unless you actually are a scientist, mathematician or lawyer. You said you had definitive proof that NL and Menelaus are the same poster on the strength of his posts. You don't. Not that I really give a sh*t.

how on earth has a swivel eyed nut job politics forum thread surfaced on here.

Disgusting comparison to the jews under hitler.

Dole filth should be summarily punched on sight

"Sorry Mr horseman but with company restructuring we are going to have to let you go!"

'BANG!'

"Aaaahhh bad enough to sack me,- what did you punch me for?"

"Dole filth!"

9 days after the original post and no chambers found in central european woods?

me thinks the comparison was not a true one.

pandora196315 Oct 13 15:08
We have the media on overdrive trying to paint a negative picture of anyone on benefits,every channel including the bbc making shows about the workshy(minority) instead of those trying their best. 99% of the press using the same tactic,every columnist doing the same. When do we start hearing about unemployed people being beaten up purely because they are unemployed?? That is the way we are heading. I think that's what the tories would like.

What about the Fraudloughers?

I escaped them. Went self-employed. The don't have any jobs at the job centre?? It's classic George Orwell.
If you want to work join a job agency and they take a percentage.  When I ducked oit they made you register online and sign in daily with a record of your activities. Tracking yourself? Your advisor? Is a tormented  Ss oofficer  wannabe .
We are prisoners. On a planet of madmen run by Satan. We are to work hard. Head down . Make more prisoner babies . Eat pain. Eat frustarvation. Be abused. By authoritarian arsee. Everything you deal with authority is a nightmare. Schools.doctors.work.police. Etc . They give us forms as cLear as mud. Now they don't give us forms. We have to search a website. I dnot want the internet. I was using the library computers and covid  blew it up.
It's the authorities **** the planet now. Telling us to do stuff globally. Brexit forgotten. One world agenda coming in. They fforce a riot. Clamp down. Suddely you are in cuffs. The illusion of being a citizen gone. The Jews know it.  They will be attacked again.  bible says two thirds will be killed. Another ten bmillion.
For a reason. To stop Jesus .
Earth will unite to stop god. To prop up a prison. Save our jail. Save the system. I must work hard and pay tax. Bunch on crazy people.  Death our big fear. Bring it on. Is our way out of this hell on earth.  Yes in some places on earth are some nice zones. But in Syria,Libya,,Venezuela, Sudan, and a hundred other hotspots it's hell on earth.