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When I started senior school in 1980 everybody was feared to death of getting the cane. Only the bravest of the bravest wagged it etc. cos they got the whack if they got caught.
I remember everybody talking about a boy that was gonna get it as if he was gonna get stoned to death or something.
It was always on people's minds and I believe it stopped you from doing bad things. It made you more disciplined and you worked better.
About half way through my 2nd year, they abolished it and now you was untouchable. You could basically do what you wanted. Ok, you got detention - big fukcing deal! Or they told your parents - again it wasn't much of a punishment.
I started wagging it more and more and it wasn't long before I had the wagman round. I gave it a few weeks and started again. I left school without taking any exams. I was a failure!
I really believe that it's the complete lack of discipline that has contributed a great deal into the way kids are today. And obviously this is gonna effect unemployment etc.
I remember everybody talking about a boy that was gonna get it as if he was gonna get stoned to death or something.
It was always on people's minds and I believe it stopped you from doing bad things. It made you more disciplined and you worked better.
About half way through my 2nd year, they abolished it and now you was untouchable. You could basically do what you wanted. Ok, you got detention - big fukcing deal! Or they told your parents - again it wasn't much of a punishment.
I started wagging it more and more and it wasn't long before I had the wagman round. I gave it a few weeks and started again. I left school without taking any exams. I was a failure!
I really believe that it's the complete lack of discipline that has contributed a great deal into the way kids are today. And obviously this is gonna effect unemployment etc.
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I never had the cane but it didn't worry me at all.
How painful can it be? Much rather the cane than a trip to the dentist tbh
How painful can it be? Much rather the cane than a trip to the dentist tbh
If a teacher caned me,I'd slash them once I left school
xmoney - now that's interesting. It's changed my views slightly!
One of the great things about starting a debate like this is that it helps me to see the whole picture.
I've had these "cane" thoughts for many years, and I've always been convinced that it needs to come back.
One of the great things about starting a debate like this is that it helps me to see the whole picture.
I've had these "cane" thoughts for many years, and I've always been convinced that it needs to come back.
I was caned at junior and senior school. So were girls if they badly misbehaved.
Equality, love it.
Equality, love it.
**** headmaster misjudged mine and broke my thumb
The cane worked that's all there is to say about it really.
I agree with sheppy123, without discipline most kids don't achieve their potential.
That's why so many employers won't even consider employing any of today's kids.
I agree with sheppy123, without discipline most kids don't achieve their potential.
That's why so many employers won't even consider employing any of today's kids.
I've been saying this for years sheppy but the pc brigade shut you down.
Spare a thought for the cane makers!
The "bottom" fell out of the industry over night!
I wonder from where did these canes come and how did the school acquire them!
I mean they couldn't buy them on the internet (in my day), and it wouldn't be worth it for a rep to tour the country,
for a possible order of one cane now and again!
I would think that once a school had one it would serve for many years!
I really believe that those that administered this ritual just had to be masochistic b@stards!
I got six just once, at Grammar School (apologies to the member who thinks I shouldn't say GS) and I didn't do anything to deserve it!
I think I was in the second year and some bullies threw me into a three foot snow drift.
As I climbed out I threw a handful of ineffective snow, at the perpetrators, and was immediately set upon by the Nazi prefects!
The "bottom" fell out of the industry over night!
I wonder from where did these canes come and how did the school acquire them!
I mean they couldn't buy them on the internet (in my day), and it wouldn't be worth it for a rep to tour the country,
for a possible order of one cane now and again!
I would think that once a school had one it would serve for many years!
I really believe that those that administered this ritual just had to be masochistic b@stards!
I got six just once, at Grammar School (apologies to the member who thinks I shouldn't say GS) and I didn't do anything to deserve it!
I think I was in the second year and some bullies threw me into a three foot snow drift.
As I climbed out I threw a handful of ineffective snow, at the perpetrators, and was immediately set upon by the Nazi prefects!
our heads cane had a metal insert spliced into the end of it. That way he got more whacko effect with it but it was the metal insert that connected with my thumb.
Hit with canes,shoes and had head yanked back and forward like a rag doll by teachers. My friend got punched in the stomach by one.
Still think canes should be used to teach discipline. Some psycho teachers can take it a bit far though.
Still think canes should be used to teach discipline. Some psycho teachers can take it a bit far though.
Got the slipper and the pump several times, but never the cane.
I remember the games teacher saying I was gonna be punished for messing out during cricket. When we got back, I got dressed in record time and was out of there ASAP! Unfortunately, during my next lesson an ugly looking pupil turned up saying that the games teacher wanted to see me. I'd seen him wallop other boys so I knew was I was in for damn it!
I remember the games teacher saying I was gonna be punished for messing out during cricket. When we got back, I got dressed in record time and was out of there ASAP! Unfortunately, during my next lesson an ugly looking pupil turned up saying that the games teacher wanted to see me. I'd seen him wallop other boys so I knew was I was in for damn it!
There's no doubt that many teachers enjoyed dishing it out. It was a powerful tool in the wrong hands in many cases.
It certainly made teaching easier than it is today.
Nevertheless I think standards of behaviour amongst people have dropped since it was abolished.
A necessary evil sums it up for me.
It certainly made teaching easier than it is today.
Nevertheless I think standards of behaviour amongst people have dropped since it was abolished.
A necessary evil sums it up for me.
I remember some teachers asking the class for one of their pumps so they could hit somebody.
It didn't go down too well with your mate who was being clobbered with your shoe!
It didn't go down too well with your mate who was being clobbered with your shoe!
Dr Crippen...
Yes I think you're right there. There was one teacher that I really believe was a gay paedophile. He used to tell you to bend over and touch your toes whilst he spanked you. It was always boys, never the girls. At the time I didn't think anything of it. I remember thinking at the time that his mannerism's were a bit strange and he wasn't quite right. I guess that in the 70s you could get away with things much easier.
I still say though that they should bring the cane back.
Yes I think you're right there. There was one teacher that I really believe was a gay paedophile. He used to tell you to bend over and touch your toes whilst he spanked you. It was always boys, never the girls. At the time I didn't think anything of it. I remember thinking at the time that his mannerism's were a bit strange and he wasn't quite right. I guess that in the 70s you could get away with things much easier.
I still say though that they should bring the cane back.
didn't you think it strange when he whispered "I love you" in your ear?
It was even stranger when he said "What are you doing tonight?"
Sadly, we are way past bringing it back....Can you imagine if it were bought back now? The parents, in some cases are as bad as the pupils. Everyone has 'rights' now and litigation would be all over the place. You can't smack your own child, so what about someone else doing it?
I just watched 'educating Yorkshire'... edited cleverly but these pupils are doing what they like and the teachers just fire fighting. Many children these days lack the empathy that perhaps used to be there.
I worry that we are going to run out of people that want to teach and where will we be then?
I work in a prep school and my job is 'easy' compared to those that do their job, particularly in secondary state schools and I take my hat off to them but that would not be my choice.
My daughter started an ofsted otstanding secondary school this term and my God ( her coming as a pupil from my school)it has been a baptism of fire for her. She cried herself to sleep on Monday night but that is life and whilst I love her as much as I do, it will, I hope 1) make her realise how lucky she has been to be educated privately for the first years of her life and 2) what the real world can be like. I still think she is lucky being in the school she got in to.
I just watched 'educating Yorkshire'... edited cleverly but these pupils are doing what they like and the teachers just fire fighting. Many children these days lack the empathy that perhaps used to be there.
I worry that we are going to run out of people that want to teach and where will we be then?
I work in a prep school and my job is 'easy' compared to those that do their job, particularly in secondary state schools and I take my hat off to them but that would not be my choice.
My daughter started an ofsted otstanding secondary school this term and my God ( her coming as a pupil from my school)it has been a baptism of fire for her. She cried herself to sleep on Monday night but that is life and whilst I love her as much as I do, it will, I hope 1) make her realise how lucky she has been to be educated privately for the first years of her life and 2) what the real world can be like. I still think she is lucky being in the school she got in to.
if a teacher caned me id have smashed his face in. actually i did. and he didnt.
A cane isn't gonna' do squat to a disruptive, feral Chav kid who is more used to getting a right hander at home
A cane isn't gonna' do squat to a disruptive, feral Chav kid who is more used to getting a right hander at home
Fair point. But what is???? And there is the question of how some of these pupils get some respect for society. What would you do HRH?
Fair point. But what is???? And there is the question of how some of these pupils get some respect for society. What would you do HRH?
Sadly, I don't know, pauly.
The generation of parents that think a teachers remit reaches beyond imparting anything educational are a cracking advert for a spot of ethnic cleansing.
The generation of parents that think a teachers remit reaches beyond imparting anything educational are a cracking advert for a spot of ethnic cleansing.
If your teenage daughter got thrashed on the bare buttocks by the headmaster,
I would hazard a guess that your stance on this subject would drastically change.
I would hazard a guess that your stance on this subject would drastically change.
I got the cane a good few times, I wasn't an unruly pupil just stood up for myself against the hierarchy which invariably ended up with 6 of the best 
It was no big deal really.
It was no big deal really.
We can see why Bob gets annoyed at people from his answers on this thread
Zilzal, I used to come home and tell Dad I got the cane today. He said did you deserve it? Usually I did but for nothing much really, it was a very strict school and that was no bad thing whatsoever.
Kids who got canned regularly turned out to be in the main the lunatics that left school becoming violent as adults or criminals the cane was no deterrent to the nutters,i went to a rough school in the punk era and half the nutters were giving the teachers a hiding!It was a regular occurrence going to school in first year getting a dead arm or leg or stabbed with a compass happy days eh!!
We got corporal punishment for chewing gum in class
School I went to was mental nearly everyone was bullied or get their luch money scaved off them by the nutcases,canes a waste of time you get people saying you can't blame the parents.All the kids who were doing the bullying were mainly from poor backgrounds came to school in rags parents obviously treated them like **** they were always the kids that had no pe kit no lunch money.They were usually scrounging or bullying so they could get a bag of chips from the chippy,it's total neglect from people who shouldn't be having kids probably find their mums and dads p1ssing their money down the pub instead of giving their kids a bit of lunch money or a sandwich!!
got 3x6 strikes of the cain in 1 day, age 11, no big deal , i woz no bad bad kid, just never hurt anyone ,lived life a free sprit, still do .
Had the cane,slipper.ruler on the knuckles.desk lids slammed on fingers.punched in the stomach and that was just the nursery school
Caning children is a ridiculous idea. State sanctioned cruelty against children in 2013? Surely we can be a bit more civilised than that? If you're saying our society is crying out for more disciplined children, I totally agree, but caning is just cruelty/violence, simple was that.
i vote for cane, never did me any harm, to many cocky youngters today with no fear to strighten em out.
There will never be corporal punishment,was just an excuse for weak adults who couldn't control kids that was back in the 80's I have two kids now and I teach them to share and have empathy for people,i could never imagine hitting my kids they just aren't capable of doing anything that bad.If you can't deal with your kids without hitting them you must be pretty pathetic,if you bring them up right and pay them enough attention and interest from when they're first born there's no way they will be wild as they get older.My mum and dad used to smack me quite regularly but for things that didn't warrant it,think parents from that era did it quite a lot but that was the way they were brought up laziness not taking enough interest in their own kids.Last time my dad did that was when I was 15 I told him if he ever touched me again i'd knock his phucking head off,see how he liked it.
all boils down to some unfortunate kids need it, and some soft **** dont
WHY ?, because some get nurtured loved and listened to, and the rest have a plastic life, not the kids fault, BUT , they have the plastic genes .
It's a quandary for sure! I've done a complete U turn on this. My Mum used to regularly beat the crap out of me with a riding crop, to the extent that by the time I was about 10 or 11, it was no longer a threat, and I'd laugh in her face. I only once gave my boy any sort of whack on his arse that he felt, and I felt terrible afterwards, and vowed never to do it again, and I haven't. I'd still not think twice about cracking heads for any adults that deserved it and the stage for talking has passed, but physical punishment of kids under the age of say 13-14 is wrong, because it is such a miss match, and sends out the wrong message.
I remember one thrashing I got from "the old dear" saying "I am only doing this because I love you, so you don't run riot like the ba5tards across the road".
Maternal love you can't beat it.
The best bit, she was 100% correct.
Maternal love you can't beat it.
The best bit, she was 100% correct.
The cane made me stay a rebel,and I only have time for fellow rebels,if this is a good thing or a bad thing I have no idea,but J Lennon had it right as far as I`m concerned with this song.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lKwXwU5iWs.and by the way I don`t give a Flucc what you think about me this is my life not yours.
What a stupid point sheppy
There are a lot of perverted teachers who would love nothing more than to whip a young schoolboy or girl, it would be a perk of their job,
second, today is very multi cultural, do you think people from all different walks of life would tolerate that - not only would their probably stab the teacher to death before they would allow themselves to face the shame and embarrassment of their mates taking the piss but their parents would probably come rushing round waving all sorts of religious texts about
Teachers would live in fear, gangs would find but where they live which in today's day and age is not exactly hard, and take revenge, maybe on their family too, set the house on fire etc. I could envisage kids ambushing teachers on the way home, beating the sh1t out of him and filming it, putting it on to youtube for all to see for the rest of his days - all sorts of repercussions,
A teacher at my school once grabbed someone by the back of the collar in the corridor after he was messing about, he swung around and smacked the teacher in the face, and he deserved it, you don't man handle hyperactive kids you're asking for it, fight fire with fire you;ll get burned.
Those that want to use the cane - it's a sign they have no control or they've lost control, they have no respect from the kids, you'll find the classes where there is less trouble in are the ones where the teacher commands the most respect from the way they hold themselves, from the way they treat the kids, using physical force to instil discipline is a massive sign of weakness on the teachers part,
Punishment will come in the form of long term prospects, the kids who refuse to learn and cause trouble will be the ones stuck in job centres their whole life blaming everyone else for their problems, that's the punishment.
Problem is, people that want to use a cane are driven by short termism and probably have anger issues themselves, not to mention being stuck in the past. it's 2013, they always has and always will be unruly kids for whatever reason, beating them is not going to change anything , it will make things worse not better
Teachers have to realise - you have to earn respect not ask for it. shouting and beating doesn't do that, it comes from good communication skills, you don;t treat every kid the same, you get to know their personality and learn how to handle each kid differently.
IMVHAHO.
There are a lot of perverted teachers who would love nothing more than to whip a young schoolboy or girl, it would be a perk of their job,
second, today is very multi cultural, do you think people from all different walks of life would tolerate that - not only would their probably stab the teacher to death before they would allow themselves to face the shame and embarrassment of their mates taking the piss but their parents would probably come rushing round waving all sorts of religious texts about
Teachers would live in fear, gangs would find but where they live which in today's day and age is not exactly hard, and take revenge, maybe on their family too, set the house on fire etc. I could envisage kids ambushing teachers on the way home, beating the sh1t out of him and filming it, putting it on to youtube for all to see for the rest of his days - all sorts of repercussions,
A teacher at my school once grabbed someone by the back of the collar in the corridor after he was messing about, he swung around and smacked the teacher in the face, and he deserved it, you don't man handle hyperactive kids you're asking for it, fight fire with fire you;ll get burned.
Those that want to use the cane - it's a sign they have no control or they've lost control, they have no respect from the kids, you'll find the classes where there is less trouble in are the ones where the teacher commands the most respect from the way they hold themselves, from the way they treat the kids, using physical force to instil discipline is a massive sign of weakness on the teachers part,
Punishment will come in the form of long term prospects, the kids who refuse to learn and cause trouble will be the ones stuck in job centres their whole life blaming everyone else for their problems, that's the punishment.
Problem is, people that want to use a cane are driven by short termism and probably have anger issues themselves, not to mention being stuck in the past. it's 2013, they always has and always will be unruly kids for whatever reason, beating them is not going to change anything , it will make things worse not better
Teachers have to realise - you have to earn respect not ask for it. shouting and beating doesn't do that, it comes from good communication skills, you don;t treat every kid the same, you get to know their personality and learn how to handle each kid differently.
IMVHAHO.
No. From Day 1, a teacher should have to lose the kids respect, not gain it.
Oct 6, 2013 -- 2:40AM, digdeep wrote:
The cane made me stay a rebel,and I only have time for
most teachers dont deserve respect. none of mine did. all they did was tell us all how useless we were and how we would never achieve anything. most of em were utterly clueless about the real world. just sat in their poncey office judging kids who didn't even know who they were yet.
those who can, do. those who can't, teach.
those who can, do. those who can't, teach.
the one i got all the time was "your gce's/gcse's (whatever they were called then) will determine your entire life" yeah right. whatever. i left school at 15, never took any exams. went to college, dropped out cos i hated it. eventually sorted myself out and got a degree. it didn't turn out to be much use, cos i started my own business. earning more than any of my old teachers ever did, i'm sure.
the thought that some easy, widely passed by any fool and relatively pointless exams at 16 determine your entire life is frankly utterly absurd. most kids reach 20 and haven't the faintest idea where their life is going to lead.
the thought that some easy, widely passed by any fool and relatively pointless exams at 16 determine your entire life is frankly utterly absurd. most kids reach 20 and haven't the faintest idea where their life is going to lead.
Haha! Do you guys ever go to bed!!!
So it seems that most people aren't in favour of it, saying that it doesn't do any good or makes things worse etc.
I understand that compared to the pain some kids go through at home the cane would seem like being hit with polystyrene etc. but no system is perfect is it???
I think though that overall it would be a good thing. If it stops just 10% of kids from wagging it etc. it'd be worth it.
I'm looking forward to my next load of stick!
So it seems that most people aren't in favour of it, saying that it doesn't do any good or makes things worse etc.
I understand that compared to the pain some kids go through at home the cane would seem like being hit with polystyrene etc. but no system is perfect is it???
I think though that overall it would be a good thing. If it stops just 10% of kids from wagging it etc. it'd be worth it.
I'm looking forward to my next load of stick!
Sheppy
So you want to recreate a more violent society for the vast majority of kidsjust so thatyou would stop 10% from wagging it?
I prefer the present situation where the unruly kids can be obnoxious to their teachers and to each other verbally but not physically assault others because it is deemed unacceptable.
Bringing back the cane will just create more violent and bigger monsters like the criminals of the olden times.
We live in a more benign and better society and we should not encourage children/future adults to resolve their conflicts through violence like we did before.
So you want to recreate a more violent society for the vast majority of kidsjust so thatyou would stop 10% from wagging it?
I prefer the present situation where the unruly kids can be obnoxious to their teachers and to each other verbally but not physically assault others because it is deemed unacceptable.
Bringing back the cane will just create more violent and bigger monsters like the criminals of the olden times.
We live in a more benign and better society and we should not encourage children/future adults to resolve their conflicts through violence like we did before.
Another wet behind the ears post from boris.
Of course he's simply taking the pee out of serious posters as usual.
Of course he's simply taking the pee out of serious posters as usual.
I haven't read through this so it may have been mentioned but in Scotland we had 'the belt',a leather strap which was applied to the hands,even to young primary school children.In my very first year at school I have recollections of a 5 year old being locked into a window less stationary cupboard for some supposed misbehaviour.Personaly,I was once punched very hard in the solar plexus for no particular by our PE teacher,a very sadistic bastard who played for the Huns when they got to the European Cup winners Cup final.
I don't believe the cane will encourage more acts of violence. We've got Grand Theft Auto to do that!
It will help to control unruly kids.
It will help to control unruly kids.
iamajambo - I agree that some teachers abused corporal punishment, and I had my fair share of it too!
My maths teacher nearly pulled my ear off by dragging me around the classroom holding it!
I think the cane should come back, but with some rules applied to it.
My maths teacher nearly pulled my ear off by dragging me around the classroom holding it!
I think the cane should come back, but with some rules applied to it.
sorry sheppy, next time I'll wait until you're awake, it's not fair otherwise
"You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. Little things like being spanked every day by a middle aged woman: Stuff you pay good money for in later life".
Emo Philips
Emo Philips
WALOFS some of you lot talk. I got caned on the arse at Grammar School, 6 of the very best, for going onto the school roof to get the ball back. It was only the headmaster (or deputy head) who dished out this punishment, the rest of the teachers all had their own unique ways of dealing with unruly boys (was an all boys school). I remember the headmaster's words before the first thrash nigh on sizzled my buttcheeks off.."This is going to hurt me far more than it's going to hurt you"...the jury is still out on that one.
It never did me any harm and I didn't dare go back on the roof again...I bore no malice towards the Head teacher and didn't harbour thoughts of slashing him or attacking him...it was part of school life, just take your punishment and move on. Unruly kids today are on a par with criminals, more rights than those who toe the line and behave. Cane the little b'stards is what I say.
It never did me any harm and I didn't dare go back on the roof again...I bore no malice towards the Head teacher and didn't harbour thoughts of slashing him or attacking him...it was part of school life, just take your punishment and move on. Unruly kids today are on a par with criminals, more rights than those who toe the line and behave. Cane the little b'stards is what I say.
wide awake sheppy, im up at silly times to trade tennis match in asia
if you want to be canned that badly there are places you can go for that kind of perverse fetish you know
if you want to be canned that badly there are places you can go for that kind of perverse fetish you know
The cane scene from Kes....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZB0i0NzOe0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZB0i0NzOe0
Nice one Petrus.
For me, 100 lines or an hours detention would've meant more visits to the roof.
Call me a wimp but I really feared the cane at school. When it was abolished I was faced with 2 options...
1) Have a great afternoon playing computer games by a nice warm fire with my mates.
2) Have a really boring history lesson, followed by an extremely tedius geography lesson.
I chose option 1 at least once a week cos a 10 minute lecture etc. seemed really worth it!
I truly regret it now, but as a kid I didn't see the benefits. Manic Minor was much more beneficial!
For me, 100 lines or an hours detention would've meant more visits to the roof.
Call me a wimp but I really feared the cane at school. When it was abolished I was faced with 2 options...
1) Have a great afternoon playing computer games by a nice warm fire with my mates.
2) Have a really boring history lesson, followed by an extremely tedius geography lesson.
I chose option 1 at least once a week cos a 10 minute lecture etc. seemed really worth it!
I truly regret it now, but as a kid I didn't see the benefits. Manic Minor was much more beneficial!
TheBetterBettor - I've seen Kes several times over the years. Brilliant film!
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