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After needing an ambulance during the interview, having had a brain hemorrhage multiple heart attacks and a collapsed spine.
How do you get declared not fit for work, do you have to be 6 foot under?
Even then they'd dig you up imo
How do you get declared not fit for work, do you have to be 6 foot under?
Even then they'd dig you up imo
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Why did he need the ambulance and what was his diagnosis?
having had a brain hemorrhage multiple heart attacks and a collapsed spine. My father had a brain haemorrhage and worked another 20 years on the docks. Plenty of people have heart attacks and carry on working after - I walk with a guy of 65 years old who has had a triple by-pass, he walks 20 miles 3 times a week. Can't comment on the collapsed spine, except to say that if he is in a wheelchair, plenty of people work in that condition. How do you get declared not fit for work, do you have to be 6 foot under? No. You get declared not fit for work when you are not fit for work. |
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I know a bloke who was blind who drove a bus.
Everybody on it died. |
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I think the point may have been missed slightly.
Yes, many people work after these medical problems. However, they do normally have a long period of recuperation. A time in which you are not fit to work. I think the OP is saying how ridiculous it is, that he has been declared fit for work smack bang in the middle of his health crisis. |
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smack bang in the middle of his health crisis.
Where does he say this? The article it comes from just sounds like sensationalist cr@p to me. |
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I would say needing an ambulance after these types of health incidents puts you in the bracket of unfit for work for a while.
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DON't HELP dustybin find ways to beat the system!
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Well shab they didnt say what the ambulance was for but he was rushed into hospital before the interview had even finished as they were concerned for his life.
His GP has declared him unfit for work if that helps |
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makes you wonder what actually happens when doctors saving his life and the GP declare him unfit and yet ATOS say he is fit what happens then?
Do they take the opinion that is most convenient? |
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Its going to tribunal either way, and Id have good money on it getting over turned
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Well shab they didnt say what the ambulance was for but he was rushed into hospital before the interview had even finished as they were concerned for his life.
So he knew what to say to get the ambulance to take him to hospital! I once worked in a building that housed a Medical Boarding unit. We had a bomb evacuation one day due to a package being found in a toilet cubicle. It turned out to be a box of ice that somebody had been using to cool their hands prior to the medical.... His GP has declared him unfit for work if that helps One of the reasons Medical Boards were introduced was because the GPs were doing what they were told. Answer this question honestly - if you wanted a week off work, could you convince your GP to sign you off? Of course you could. |
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This ATOS crap needs to be stopped sharpish. Paying them commission for everyone they declare fit for work is completely obscene.
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Paying them commission for everyone they declare fit for work is completely obscene.
So you have seen the contract? How do you know this? |
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It was ATOS who called the ambulance shab
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Shab, it's well known that to keep their contract, they have to meet targets for returning people to work. The same thing as commission if you ask me.
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40% get over turned at tribunal apparently
For every 10 that decide to challenge 4 are deemed incorrect decisions, not great that is it? |
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How are we going to pay for the people that dont want to work db ?
And what system would you use to manage it ? |
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I have no problem with ppl not wanting to work, give them the minimum.
40% overturned at tribunal doesnt suggest to me that they are culling excess, those are almost statistics of coin tossing |
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hopefully it will get better now this new contractor (whoever they may be) will be working alongside ATOS. The government have finally realised that they are not fully up to the job, the appeals procedure has cost £60 million alone. The trouble is many of the staff are not properly qualified for the job, they go on a short ATOS course and then get issued with a certificate. I read one story where a chiropodist went and worked for them after passing, ok for someone with foot problems I suppose.
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nonsense Ibrahima Sonko, you asked my opinion of something not relevant (or are you suggesting those 40% overturned were wrong to be overturned?) and I gave an honest answer.
Im neither disabled nor out of work |
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people with chronic health problems have a low quality of life.........some civil servant who asesses them does not realise the reality............if u force that person to get out of bed at 7am.....make him queue for the bus in the piddling rain.......force him to do some low end meaningless job while enduring discomfort and pain, his quality of life will be a lot worse. we are a civil society. you cant decide to force unhealthy people to make their lives ten times worse because the healthy and wealthy feel sorry for themselves..............o poor bloody u i say........if u are healthy u dont realise how lucky you are.
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I asked how you would control it ?
Their is no perfect way but under labour it was out of control. I dont know the answer but their has to be some sort effort by the people employed by their job title, you cant just stick your head in the sand labour like. their will be mistakes made but the answer isnt to just give everyone cash. |
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I have never believed that life was about slavery, its not about making people into drones for others to profit within a privatised culture.
There is a lot that could be done, but when the system is so endemic of only 'rectifying' one section of the problem then you are playing against a marked deck. You are correct that there is no simple answer however, but man's greed has got in the way of everything |
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Agree with that.
I despise the fact that Britain is basically a franchise for the rest of the world to skim off. we pay 25% on everything for the fun. But you cannot have 3 families paying for 1 family that doesnt want to ever work. Have to deal with what we have. |
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What I have a problem with is why is there an unequal struggle with ideologies?
The principles of Keynesianism bailed out capitalism, yet capitalism continually gets free reign to do whatever it needs while socialism gets mocked. There are too many people with vested interests for integrity to come into play, money collected by the few while being unregulated is bad for economies. At what point will people realise this? |
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The problem with socialism is that they cant do the maths, they want to please everyone and that is impossible.
What is needed is that government that owns 51% of every utility and employees top managers, but then the public would rage at those profits too. I always find it funny when people knock russia or north korea. |
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"I always find it funny when people knock russia or north korea."
russia one of the most corrupt countries in the world....... north korea........do i need to say anything what u talking about lad? |
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The point before I go, is that like in this case, only 1 side of the problem gets 'addressed'. The 'shirkers' getting vilified and thats all.
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bdj, i thought better of you.
Just because the other countries dress it as something else it is ok  You think russia is more corrupt than the uk ? |
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N Korea is a dictatorship, it would always look bad when you have the topless slut of capitalism doing a belly dance at its boarder, but that topless slag of excess only still breathes because of the actions of china manufacturing the endless crap and supporting the dollar.
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yes russia is more corrupt than the UK...........russia is a cesspit of corruption.......ask any businessman who tried to do business there.......their institutions are bordering on evil
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Shab seems to think there is no-one in the UK who through any form of illness or disability can't work.
I think you speak (write) from a very great deal of ignorance Shab. |
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The criteria for being found fit for work is an absolute embarrassment to any reasonable standard of civilized behaviour . In the words of one ATOS trainer " as long as you've got one finger and can press a button you will be found fit for work"
Shab , I remember you spouting absolute drivel about zero hour contracts , at least you're consistent in your breathtaking stupidity and heartlessness ffs |
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Somebody on the politics forum, I forget who it was, says that ATOS get £620 for each one they declare fit for work.
And then tribunals get paid to declare them unfit. Nice little earner on both sides for stopping peoples money while it goes on. |
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Shab, as much as I would like to waste time engaging you in discussion about why your opinions seem overtly right wing I would prefer just to cut to the chase and say you are a complete FUKKKKING WANNKER!
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Somebody on the politics forum, I forget who it was, says that ATOS get £620 for each one they declare fit for work.
Does that make the politics forum the reference point of truth? If that were so, why wouldn't Atos find everyone unfit for work, so they would clean up? And then tribunals get paid to declare them unfit. Tribunals find some of them unfit. About 60% was quoted earlier. That means that in the borderline cases - which these are - they get it slightly more wrong than right. That needs to be improved. Nice little earner on both sides for stopping peoples money while it goes on. Their money doesn't get stopped. They still receive the rate of JSA, and all passport benefits, if eligible. |
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Shab, as much as I would like to waste time engaging you in discussion about why your opinions seem overtly right wing I would prefer just to cut to the chase and say you are a complete FUKKKKING WANNKER!
Engage me all you like - but the fact that you call me names says a lot about your depth of debating skills. |
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Shab seems to think there is no-one in the UK who through any form of illness or disability can't work.
I think you speak (write) from a very great deal of ignorance Shab. I do believe there are many people unable to work. I don't believe there are 2.5 million people in that category. That's one person in 12 of the working age population. |
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This case in question must be the most egregious possible.
The guy was old, an ex steelworker (no doubt lost that job as thatcher closed down industry, my grandfather worked his whole working life in the rolling mills, they certainly ain't shirkers and would put the most poncified stuck up Tory city boy to shame) had numerous serious health issues enough for the GP to flat out disagree with ATOS AND was ATOS believed his life was in danger DURING the interview so much so THEY stopped the interview and called for an ambulance. Still passed him fit. I think the above evidence is evidence enough of what the tactics are. |