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By:
liamcol
When: 29 Sep 12 00:51
Hi Pm, will have a look.
Just to warn you, if this involves topspin or weight of goldenballs, I will be seething and apopleptic. Devil
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 29 Sep 12 00:56
I'm watching it.

It's very worrying.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 29 Sep 12 00:56
Good morning Liam.

You are safe, sir, much to my dismay the video is devoid of anything billiard related whatsoever.
By:
erse2
When: 29 Sep 12 05:11
the last german video i saw was on a smartphone, it was a vicar at the side of the road taking a dump, and several nuns enthusiastically lapping up his turds.

911 should have been called for sure, or its german equivalent.
By:
MadVlad
When: 29 Sep 12 12:15
Laugh
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 29 Sep 12 13:30
Just finished watching this. It's the most disturbing video I've ever seen.
By:
liamcol
When: 29 Sep 12 13:42
Watched it last night/this morning.
There wasn't really anything in it I hadn't seen before, though admittedly I have watched a fair few.
Some questions will never be answered, such as- the apparent insider knowledge re: financial markets just before, the lack of any air force involvement till it was all over, and of course the building 7 question.
On one of my channels, (natgeo?) on the anniversary, they had the whole day dedicated to it, tellingly I think, the very next programme was on companies who specialise in bringing down buildings safely.
Now, these are specialised outfits, with highly skilled people working for them, they have to know where to place the explosives and how much etc. etc. to bring down a building at an angle or like a pack of cards, straight down, it isn't easy.
People looking at the relatively small fires that caused building 7 to come straight down must be sceptical, to say the least.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 29 Sep 12 13:44
So what do you feel about the 9/11 Commission them Diva?

Do you think it was set up to fail. To cover up that the American/Israel elite had prior knowledge or in fact engineered the attack themselves?
By:
Clouseau
When: 29 Sep 12 13:48
Makybe_Diva 29 Sep 12 13:30
Just finished watching this. It's the most disturbing video I've ever seen.


Indee, Makybe Diva, and I would counsel against you watching any more of erse's video recommendations in the future, particularly the German genre.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 29 Sep 12 13:52
Independent historians are still scratching their heads as they know that the 9/11 Commission report is a load of bull. It does not mention WTC 7 at all.

They are the ones who have actually read the report, held meetings with other independent researchers, scholars, engineers, architects, pilots and so on.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 29 Sep 12 14:09
"So what do you feel about the 9/11 Commission them Diva?"

I'll let you know when I've read it, Angel. I've just ordered it from Amazon.

It's  free online but I'm unable to sit at the computer for very long these days, and it could take a while to read Crazy

It will be some nice light bedtime reading for me.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 29 Sep 12 14:12
Lol at Clouseau, btw.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 29 Sep 12 14:31
Diva:

You would probably find the video linked below interesting, sir.  It was made by a group of architects and engineers who are concerned mainly with the collapses of WTCs 1, 2 and 7.  There is a small glitch on the film about five minutes in where a thirty-second section repeats itself, but after that it runs smoothly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4&feature=g-vrec
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 29 Sep 12 14:32
Ok thanks.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 29 Sep 12 14:33
And this lecture from the eminent Swiss historian, Daniele Ganser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDPtiR4EQ2A
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 29 Sep 12 14:34
Diva

To be honest i have not read it and i did not expect you to have read it either.

My question was more of a general one regarding the 9/11 commission report. As the historians who have read it can`t accept it as factually correct.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 29 Sep 12 14:35
Yes that a good link from Pokermonster.

Try and watch it Diva.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 29 Sep 12 14:36
The Daniele Ganser one is very professional and well balanced.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 29 Sep 12 14:37
AG:

You can listen to the official 911 commission report as a free audiobook.  Here is the link, sir.

http://www.booksshouldbefree.com/book/the-911-commission-report-by-the-911-commission
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 29 Sep 12 14:39
Mucho appreciated sir.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 29 Sep 12 14:41
Thanks Pokermonster. Three and a half hours viewing there. I will watch them over the weekend.

Angel, it's ok I want to read it. It will be interesting.

Like I said the video I saw was very disturbing. Particularly the reaction of George Bush when he was told of the attacks.

The little speech Britney gave made me shiver.
By:
polybot
When: 30 Sep 12 10:58
The 9/11 conspiracy is a completely debunked and idiotic notion, even Chomsky immediately dismissed it out of hand.
Some propaganda howlers in there too, like the Kennedy reference, either the germans have got less sophisticated at this over the last 80 years or they have very low expectations of the sophistication of their audience.
The US use false flags (Libya and Syria recently) but for fairly obvious reasons 9/11 wasn't one.
By:
polybot
When: 30 Sep 12 11:02
and expect and upsurge and re-release in this fairly crude form in the run up to the election, target audience being the lower two-thirds, so it won't need to be too sophisticated.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 30 Sep 12 11:56
Good morning Polybot.

I am interested to see the phrase "completely debunked" in your post, sir.  I am a reluctant sceptic to the official explanation of the terrible events on that day, as I simply do not want to believe any parts of American federal government could be complicit in such heinous acts of mass murder. 

Much of what we witness on the internet is idiotic, as you say, but with reference to the collapses of WTCs 1, 2 and 7 I would contend that citing aircraft impact and the consequent fires as the primary cause of complete demolition is every bit as ludicrous as the bullshít propounded by the most ardent of tin-foil hat wearers one sometimes encounters online. 

The pancake or pile-driver failures reported in the 911 commission are not only scientifically impossible, they border on insulting when rationally compared with the video evidence.  There is very little doubt in my mind that all three building were imploded with carefully primed explosives.  And trust me, sir, if you could somehow dissuade of this belief I would be most grateful indeed.  As to who did it, how they did it and why they did it, I'll leave that to those more qualified to debate.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 30 Sep 12 11:59
Sorry for the few typos above, I'm on a mobile.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 30 Sep 12 12:07
The 9/11 conspiracy is a completely debunked and idiotic notion, even Chomsky immediately dismissed it out of hand.

Chomsky is a social commentator. A historical/political guru of social climates. He is no expertise in building collapse, expertise of air traffic control, security defence or pilot ability.

Polybot why do you chose to ignore the hundreds of thousands of independent experts who still question the official line. The fact that you question nothing or at least throw up no questions suggests that you have already decided with no evidence that your mind is made up purely because of your perception of what is likely, and that THEY would not do it or allow it to happen to THEIR own people.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 30 Sep 12 12:26
Pokermonster

Lets take WTC7 it seems extremely unlikely that that building collapsed due to office fires and small structural damage at near free fall speed. We have the owner on record saying that they decided to `pull it`. Of course he has back tracked in suggesting this meant `pull them, meaning the firemen out`.

Then it collapses at near free fall speed, and demolition experts around the world are gob smacked.

Now then, with the tenants of WTC7 including the Secret Service, Department of Defence, CIA and the Mayors fast response department. Could we believe that secretly measures had been previously made to connect mechanisms into the building to allow it to implode/collapse into its own footprint for security and public safety measures. This is of course a possibility but it would go against building safety regulations so therefore had been done in secrecy.

Or perhaps the secret agencies had prior knowledge of 9/11 and wired up the building with explosives which dematerialise on ignition leaving little or no trace.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 30 Sep 12 12:35
I don't know, AG.

I try to refrain from attributing blame to anybody.  I can certainly understand such speculation, of course, but I'm more comfortable sticking to scientific debate where possible.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 30 Sep 12 12:45
I'll look back in later.  Nice chatting to you, gentlemen.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 30 Sep 12 12:54
If we suggest the building was tampered with which the scientific debate suggests if you oppose the official line.

Then attributing blame comes next.
By:
Pandorica
When: 30 Sep 12 13:00
Not sure which is the most depressing aspect of the forum; this sh1te raising its ugly head again, Over2.5 on the United thread, or Crispy's jokes. It's a dashed close run thing.
However, this one romps in when it comes to seriously stupid and pointless.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 30 Sep 12 13:19
Probably the most depressing and stupid points of views derive from those who see questioning the 9/11 Commission as pointless.

Of course we should ignore the scientific experts who oppose those appointed by the establishment.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 30 Sep 12 14:45
Good afternoon Pandorica.

Do you find my belief that the buildings were imploded with explosives seriously stupid and pointless?  If so, perhaps you could point me in the direction of some solid proof suggesting otherwise.  I honestly would be much obliged to you because such evidence continues to elude me.

And what is your own opinion, sir?  Do you subscribe to the original pancake hypothesis of the commission, or their later pile-driver theory?
By:
polybot
When: 01 Oct 12 03:54
"If so, perhaps you could point me in the direction of some solid proof suggesting otherwise."
That's like saying the tooth fairy exists because there's no evidence it doesn't exist, except a tooth fairy you could argue is an article of faith and potentially either metaphorical or  beyond human comprehension, office buildings however are not beyond human comprehension.
As for 9/11, it would take thousands of highly co-ordinated people to pull off something so risky and gave no direct link to Iraq, and in the probable event of failure or partial failure everyone involved would be imprisoned for life, and in the unlikely event it worked then someone would certainly leak it or blow the whistle.
Ask yourself, if it were even possible to carry out such a ridiculous James Bond type conspiracy, why would they? Especially when there were a million other options with little risk you could link directly to iraq. And if they would or could, then wouldn't the same "team" have simply planted WMDs in iraq after occupation?
What you are receiving is political propaganda, mainly because you're tuning everything else out.
Big buildings collapse when big things hit them, that's just the reality, look at the CTV Building, or was that also Bush? Wiring a building for implosion isn't something you do by sneaking into the building at night once the cleaners have finished their shift.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 11:43
Good morning Polybot.  Thank you for your reply, sir.

1. Big buildings do not collapse when big things hit them, they're specifically engineered not to do so for obvious reasons.

2.  The CTV building was not a particularly big building (six storeys).

3.  Nothing hit the CTV building (it was an earthquake).

4.  The engineer in charge of building it faked his qualifications.

5.  It didn't completely collapse, the core columns and lift shafts had to be imploded via controlled demolition.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 11:49
And no building can collapse straight down into its own footprint at freefall speed (WTC 7) or near freefall speed (WTCs 1 and 2) without the presence of explosives.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 01 Oct 12 12:37
"As for 9/11, it would take thousands of highly co-ordinated people to pull off something so risky and gave no direct link to Iraq, and in the probable event of failure or partial failure everyone involved would be imprisoned for life, and in the unlikely event it worked then someone would certainly leak it or blow the whistle."

Yes, that's what I'm thinking.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 01 Oct 12 12:38
To be honest I don't know what to think.

Looking forward to reading my book from Amazon Crazy
By:
Clungehungry
When: 01 Oct 12 15:30
Pokermonster, with the best will in the world, this wasn't a 'big things hit them' scenario, it was a pretty unique scenario of two fuel-laden airliners hitting buildings. Just because they were designed in the hope they wouldn't collapse doesn't mean they didn't. The titanic was designed to not be sunk if hit by an iceberg, F1 cars are designed to protect their drivers, my trousers are designed not fall down...if any of these things happen the logical response is not to assume it didn't but to look at why, which is what actual scientists DID.
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