JIMMY SAVILE SEXUALLY ABUSED US AS GIRLS

A lot of opeople will do anything to have their 5 mins of fame.

Kenny, you said it was easy to get witnesses.  How easy?  I wasnt talking about the mafia, can you answer my 1915 post?  1/10 on imo.  1/10 on shots get turned over all the time in his defence but those are my current odds and i think im being generous.

I think you are in denial kenny, yes every single person could have accepted money to speak ill of the dead man, or just wanted the fame, or had a vendetta against him..  All the rumours that were rampant before his death could all have been unfounded.  But it is a long shot.

Jimmy Saville's work history:

Early career: got sweaty and dirty with miners.

Later career: got sweaty and dirty with minors

I've already told you rob. People will do anything to get on the box, and Esther's no exception. Very easy to speak ill of the deas. Why do you think this has been left for up to 40 years? Baffles me.

Idk?  Fear of being sued?   Apparently he said all the charity work would end if the gutter press reported it.  Or just plain fear?  Have yoou seen that footage of him with coleen nolan?  Not normal.

Ive already told you kenny, it is a long shot that every witness, celeb or otherwise, is lying.

kenny i told you why but you dont believe the reasons anyway

firstly child abuse can be like this many of these crimes are commited because they know chances are they will get away with it can get away with it.   

Jimmy was a man with friends in high places like high court judges, chiefs of police, Prince Phillip, and he knew he was untouchable. He once told Louis Theroux 'I can do anything, me. I know lots of people in high places'. He used fear and money to remain hidden. He was the Governor. DJ Paul Gambaccini said he'd waited 30 years for this to come out, and that everyone knew what Jimmy was like, but dare not utter a word for fear of retribution.

as for evidence listen to the people who would know him well they had a good idea something had to come out and they are not surprised

That Colleen Nolan clip is very disturbing.
A 14 year old girl getting, as good as, fondled on live TV and her sisters, seemingly, knowing he had a penchant for underage schoolgirls!
How this man was never outed whilst he was alive is a travesty for his victims!

very disturbing, wtf would want to fondleher?

a sick pedo

That's the thing Kenny he wouldn't have wanted to fondle her when she passed her sell by date, which for him would have been her 16th birthday!

SERIOUSLY?

Is anyone surprised?

I've been calling him a scumbag for years.

Dear god,

this man had peadophile written across his forehead FFS!

ok, what if he did fondle a few 14 year olds, I did the same when I was young. The fantastic work he did far outweighs these alleged offences.

well at least frankie boyle has new material for his dvd at christmas time.

Was it consensual kenny and were you 40/50/60 years old at the time?

thats why he grew his hair so long there was a cover up

I take that back, i realise you were not in your sixties,  youve been 58 for the last ten years.

Consensual of course, I was about 15-16. Happy days.

kenny mann 02 Oct 12 19:55 Joined: 29 Apr 10 | Topic/replies: 13,557 | Blogger: kenny mann's blog
ok, what if he did fondle a few 14 year olds, I did the same when I was young. The fantastic work he did far outweighs these alleged offences.


If they are true would you still say the same?

The 'charity' work he did was no doubt for his own benefit! Paedos always need cover to carry out their sick crimes!!!!!!

I just think it's very, very sad you can say  things like tis after someone's died when the law says you can't defend yourself when you're dead."

The evidence suggests that Saville wasn't a paedophile strictly speaking. 14 year old girls are mature in a physical sense in most cases. Saville liked teenagers and I remember reading an article in the 70s when he boasted about it. Of course the inference was that they were 18 or so and I suspect a lot were. It still made me feel a bit queasy as he would have been in his mid 40s. It looks as though not only was he not exactly fussy as to whether they were of legal age but he was not averse to a bit of coercion.

Kenny Back Tracking Big Style.

never

Kenny at 1958.... So it isnt really comparable is it.

cant see how anyone can justify child abuse of this nature one of the girls was 12 years old.Ibelieve he would have been around 30-40 at the time as a parent it sickens me that someone can think and exploit children in this way.

Going to the pub. I'll let you sad accusers carry on.

Enjoy the pub kenny, ill let you apologists enjoy the spoons.

The way JS defended  Glitter,  imo tells you everything you need to know.

agree pumphol

he said when asked about the gary glitter case

"Whether it was right or wrong is, of course, it's up to him as a person. But he didn't do anything wrong but they are then demonised."

"If you said to that copper, what's Gary Glitter done wrong? Well nothing really.

he is as guilty as hell IMO but can't really see what the police are investigating as there is hardly going to be a prosecution

yes shame hes not still around he would probably strongly deny it if he was but then dont they always

The evidence suggests that Saville wasn't a paedophile strictly speaking.

Yeah suspect Sir Jimmy wasn't really bothered about the age - just that the younger ones could be more easily abused.

Stripped of Knighthood at the very least.

The evidence suggests that Saville wasn't a paedophile strictly speaking.

Yeah suspect Sir Jimmy wasn't really bothered about the age - just that the younger ones could be more easily abused.



Isn't that just being a peado?

SO why are the police investigating
shame they weren't so hot in south yorkshire
and whilst they pursue a dead man more of it is going on

suddenly become rather unpopular hasn't he !

Isn't that just being a peado?

No paedophiles are interested in pre-pubescent children

David Ike knew........



http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/55533-death-of-a-showman-jimmy-saville-1926-2011

Isn't that just being a peado?

No paedophiles are interested in pre-pubescent children

Ok, talk of twelve year olds have been mentioned.

We'll wait and see.

Didnt david icke say gordon brown was a paedo once?  In fact i am sure he did on his website once.

was he ever a boy scout leader?

I now do not believe he had horses in training with Sir Henry Cecil.

Dear Jim
  I am really interested in playing the violin, can you please fix it for me to spend a day with a fiddler

thanks
kim

xmoneyx     02 Oct 12 23:09 
was he ever a boy scout leader?



What has that got to do with it !
Your be saying Baden Powell was at it next !!

Again your Boy Scouts would have been safe with Jim.
You lot not only can't tell the difference between an abuser of nubile underage girls and a paedophile,but you seem to have problems distinguishing between heterosexuals and homosexuals.

salmon spray
surely an abuser of nubile underage girls is a paedophile ?

i think he once groomed a young filly of henry cecils

Of the many sickening posts on this thread Salmon spray has just made the sickest.

What is sick about wolfs post?

Think I'll wait to hear the evidence before i pass judgment on Sir James. Cant condemn someone on rumor, gossip and his odd appearance...or what David Icke says..  imo

Daily mail

Girl raped--17

Got pregnant


SO BAD

Hav a feeling after tonight's documentary

There will be police by his gravestone

Burden of proof in a Crown Court trial - nowhere near strong enough evidence.

Burden of proof in the court of public opinion - too much circumstantial evidence from too many different sources with very little to gain for it not to be true.

this i think is typical, now women claiming he raped them etc , i bet these women were teenagers , groupies who were happy to spend time with a good looking mid 30s famous dj,but agree if these assults were made against young kiddies , then it should be looked into

i bet these women were teenagers , groupies who were happy to spend time with a good looking mid 30s famous dj

Yep, might be saying the same thing about David Guetta in 40 years time.

I wish somebody would explain why I have made the sickest post on here       
Paedophilia is actually the sexual love of children ( ie pre-pubescent girls or boys ). The age of consent is a moveable feast. It varies these days between 13 and 18 in different countries. In this country it was 12 until well into the 19th century. This does not mean I think a man in his mid-40s should be taking advantage of 14 or 15 year old girls. I think the age of consent in this country is about right,although I personally don't think a man of that age should be having sexual relationships with young women of 16 or 17 either,but that is not illegal,under normal circumstances,if it is consensual. I gather girls are now allowed into the Boy Scouts but the usual connotation about Boy Scouts and their leaders involves the abuse of young boys. I have seen nothing to suggest Saville had any interest in boys of any age.

Here they come!!

a moveable FEAST?.......

Oh ffs. If you find that metaphor offensive you really are too delicate to go on internet forums.

I'm not a historian

If the victims are seeking financial damages of JS. How are they gonna get it because he left the money to his charities.

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Think I'll wait to hear the evidence before i pass judgment on Sir James. Cant condemn someone on rumor, gossip and his odd appearance...or what David Icke says..  imo


ARE YOU THE SITTING JUDGE IN THIS CASE IF SO COULD YOU GIVE YOUR FINDINGS TO THE BETFAIR FORUM WHEN YOU HAVE SEEN THE EVIDENCE . IF DAVID ICKE TURN OUT TO BE RIGHT ON THIS ONE AND HE DID DRAW PEOPLE ATTENTION YEARS AGO COULD HE BE RIGHT ON MANY OTHER THINGS?

just seen a picture of Icke # krist he carrying some timber these days

surely anyone coming forward would be looking hoping for money from the press rather than agaisnt the savile estate?

what evidence and what is the point!!??  there is nothing to prove in a court of law - I am not sure where this is going - my 15 mins of fame!!??  sorry to be so cynical - there is no redress coz he is dead - or do they think they can get money out of the bbc or ratzend!!!??

Exactly moisok.

Why put themselves through this trauma if it's not just to put the record straight on Savile.

what trauma ( a very overstated thing - like our thoughts are with you , saying prayers, and other modern 'feelings')  more like someone spoke out and the rest thought  ah!!! i want some of that too

fkn MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, we'll see won't we.

I think you're attributing motives to these women where none exist. I've heard no evidence of collusion or financial drivers. On the contrary, the power of their evidence seems to be that they are disparate and yet their stories are all remarkably similar.

I think we agree it would be hard (and counterprductive PR wise) to try to gain money from what's left of the Savile estate, which leaves these alleged victims having to parade their stories on TV and newsprint in order to be (allegedly) paid by these media outlets.

Rumours regarding MAx Clifford are as yet unsubstantiated but this whole story is based, for now, on rumour and heresay.

daz55o
03 Oct 12 11:16

skipthatstep

Think I'll wait to hear the evidence before i pass judgment on Sir James. Cant condemn someone on rumor, gossip and his odd appearance...or what David Icke says..  imo


ARE YOU THE SITTING JUDGE IN THIS CASE IF SO COULD YOU GIVE YOUR FINDINGS TO THE BETFAIR FORUM WHEN YOU HAVE SEEN THE EVIDENCE . IF DAVID ICKE TURN OUT TO BE RIGHT ON THIS ONE AND HE DID DRAW PEOPLE ATTENTION YEARS AGO COULD HE BE RIGHT ON MANY OTHER THINGS?

Daz Whats with the Caps?... No one gives a fk about my findings/opinions but me.. and you about your findings/opinions . hth.

fyi...David Icke is a basket case. hth also.

skipthastep

you said you were waiting for the evidence did you notice that they may be some already out there? What more evidence is it you are looking for proof

I see scotland yard has moved in on the BBC to investigate possible cover up seems like they are already treating the thing as who knew what etc..rather than the possibility of the allegations been false. Scotland yard will only move on this type of thing if the evidence was so strong of wrong doing that they would want to move on to the next step.  They will already have information to hand that is not currently available to the public so this move would suggest Jimmy sAVILE IS GUILTY OF THESE ALEGATIONS

We're waiting for tonights tv doc to see all the allegations and evidence, aint we? expecting to see groupies chasing and throwing themselves at odd-bod celeb. That's Rock n Roll Baby.

scotland yard have what!!??  I seem to remember several muslim extemist groups being arrested at certain rather appropriate times, co incidently when there was bad news around!!! uncortunately they turned out to be innocent - but hey ho!!  even  MPs arrested etc etc - hmmm!!!

uncortunately or even unfortunately !!!!

Google autosearch has spoken - He´s guilty!

Oh dear, the sky is falling in as we speak.

Statue of Sir Jimmy torn down at a Glasgow Leisure Centre, where it had been handily set up overlooking the kids pool.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/03/jimmy-saville-statue-glasgow-leisure-rape-child-abuse_n_1935350.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/scottishnews/4568868/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-bust-is-ditched-at-kids-pool.html

picture of the statue here...it looks like the ancor butter man

I don't know what to believe about the horses. Did he have them in training with Sir Henry or not? If he did then I think some of them did run at Haydock.

OK... LETS SEE HOW MANY THREADS.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQCqqnZma_Y

When you read this, it's quite unbelievable that no one picked up on it any sooner.


http://timesopinion.tumblr.com/post/32804536645/jimmy-saviles-affections-laid-bare-by-jimmy-savile

and this the quote ;
"Sanderson highlighted some quotes from As It Happens, Savile’s 1974 autobiography, that nobody else seems to have picked up on. It’s strange that they haven’t, because they are startling:

[Savile] writes of an incident at the Mecca Locarno ballroom in Leeds, where he worked as a DJ during the 1950s, when a female police officer came in with a photograph of “an attractive girl who had run away from a remand home”.

Savile writes: “‘Ah,’ says I all serious, ‘if she comes in I’ll bring her back tomorrow but I’ll keep her all night first as my reward’.” He then writes that the girl did go into the club and “agreed that I hand her over if she could stay at the dance, [and] come home with me”. He wrote that he did then hand her over to the “lady of the law…[who] was dissuaded from bringing charges against me by her colleagues, for it was well known that were I to go I would probably take half the station with me”."

"If i were to go I'd probably take half the station with me"

desperatemunter 

"I'll keep her first all night as my reward" said that to a police officer !

Like a lot of things, we can all look back with hindsight.  And looking back some things do look so obvious, but somehow weren't so obvious at the time although they should have been.

The revelations surfacing around Jimmy (refuse to call him Sir) now is coinciding with the kidnapping of poor little April Jones. I think peoples anger at her abductor is being vented at JS. Yeah, the era was a different one and the circumstances different but when an innocent young girl (or lad) has been sexually abused, I think the accused can be tarred with the same brush as an evil unknown (non famous) abuser. IMO.

Nothing wrong with this chap, move along........

Any enquiry should also focus on who knew and said nothing, perhaps the Murdoch empire could orchestrate all this. They would take great delight lifting the carpet on those within the BBC who knew and failed to protect vulnerable kids.

I think you will find that the women who are now speaking out are NOT doing it for financial gain. They have lived with their shame and disgrace (for that is how a young victim would feel) all of their lives. Some of them have never told ANYBODY about it. I cannot understand why some posters couldn't tell simply from the replies of these women that they were speaking absolutely truthfully. They are pribably feeling more free now than they have ever done. Some of them never WILL tell anybody because they don't want their family to know the secret that they've lived with. Some of them will have coped quite well with it whilst others will have suffered from a sorts of trauma, maybe anxiety, maybe alcoholism.

Now that this has been brought out into the open there will be a flood of other cases who just want to unburden themselves. None of it will be done for profit unless the gutter press decide that they want 'exclusives'.

Regarding a court case...I think we can safely assume that Savile would have denied any charges so his prescence is not required. By the time the police have interviewed all of the victim statements and other related evidence from people that they HAVE confided in over the years, best friends for example, the verdict will be obvious BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. And that is sufficent.

I don't get it, If Saville was a pervoid, and i'm not saying he was or wasn't. Why wait all this time to complain? He wasn't protected by some media mafia, he wasn't that important. Maybe it's more relevant that a dead man can't sue, so the papers will print the story and more importantly pay for it. so if a 'victim' waited to sell the story rather than go through the proper channels what does that make them?

These victims aren't selling their stories. They only want justice, not reward.

They will not get justice as jimmy has passed away

Maybe they can get some closure by unburdening themselves at this time

Thats the best they can hope for if they are not looking for financial gain

Not selling their stories, are you on the same planet?

To some just showing him in his true light will be enough. OK, he won't have to do time or go on an offenders register but at least people like me will know the truth, because I never even gave this kind of behaviour a passing thought. Not that I thought much of him, anyway.

HA HA, You live in your little perfect everyone is guilty before innocence world Naydam. Thought you had more respect for our fantastic justice system.

He's heading for ''king of the paedo's'' who knows how many more there must,could be hundreds,these sort of pervetts are usually relentless predators,they usually klnow other as well!!Some with sweasty palms i bet!!

probably a few hang about on here to be honest.

Some of the comments i've read are unbelievable,i think some on herte genuinely think what hev did was acceptable whst a bunch of wierdo#s love to see their laptops.

No, Dellman. Everybody is innocent until proven guilty. As in the case of this missing little Welsh girl. The man they have detained might well be totally innocent...although, of course, we are not privy to what the police actually know.

However, in the case of Jimmy Savile, I can tell you that he is guilty.

I also retain every respect for our justice system, but in this case he got away.