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By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 12 Aug 12 20:40
Mischief
By:
Crisp77
When: 12 Aug 12 20:41
Mischief
By:
erse2
When: 12 Aug 12 21:21
there is a black market on ebay for spare betfair forum accounts.
By:
orioles
When: 12 Aug 12 21:38
It seems that the difference between people originating from West Africa and (for example) white/caucasian athletes is a higher centre of gravity.

A new study by researchers at Howard University, a historically black school in Washington D.C., and Duke University in North Carolina suggests why black athletes may outperform athletes of other races in running events. Physical differences in the length of the limbs and the structure of the body mean the center of gravity tends to be higher in the bodies of black people, the researchers say.

Since 1968, the world record holders in the men's 100-meter dash have been black athletes. And since 1912, when the International Association of Athletics Federations started keeping track of the record holders in that event, only 10 non-black athletes out of 38 individuals have held the title.

"There is a whole body of evidence showing that there are distinct differences in body types among blacks and whites," said researcher Edward Jones, who researches adolescent obesity, nutrition and body composition at Howard University. "These are real patterns being described here. Whether the fastest sprinters are Jamaican, African or Canadian, most of them can be traced back generally to Western Africa."

Why center of gravity matters

Although there are also cultural factors at work, it all comes down to body makeup, Jones said.

"Blacks tend to have longer limbs with smaller circumferences, meaning that their centers of gravity are higher compared to whites of the same height," said Adrian Bejan, Jones' co-author, an engineering professor at Duke University. "Asians and whites tend to have longer torsos, so their centers of gravity are lower."

"These differences are small, and we don't really see them when we look at someone," Bejan told Life's Little Mysteries. "We are only rarely struck by how long someone's legs are."

But these small differences certainly matter in races lasting less than 10 seconds, Bejan said.

The height of a person's center of gravity affects how fast his feet are moving when they hit the ground, Bejan said. Each step a runner takes is like falling except the athlete breaks the fall with his foot. So the feet of a person with a higher center of gravity will hit the ground faster than someone with a lower center of gravity.

Torsos and legs

In the study, the scientists gathered data available from the militaries of 17 nations. Militaries measure their recruits for uniform fittings and are a reliable source of data, Bejan said. To approximate torso length, the scientists compared the average height of the military men with their sitting height – the distance from a chair to the top of the head.

Results showed the average sitting height of blacks was about 1.5 inches (3 cm) shorter than that of whites who were the same height. This means that, among blacks and whites of the same height, the legs of blacks were longer (think of a high-waisted person), while the torsos of whites were longer.

This physical difference gives a black athlete an advantage, even against an athlete of another race is who is taller and has a higher center of gravity, said Bejan. From a physics perspective, Bejan said, the legs do the work of running and the torso of the body is just extra weight that the legs must carry, so the race goes to the runners with longer legs and shorter torsos.

By contrast, whites tend to have the advantage in swimming, where a longer torso allows for faster speeds.

"Swimming actually generates a wave. The sport is the art of surfacing on that wave. When the wave is bigger – because the torso is longer – they go faster," Bejan said.

The study was published online this week in the International Journal of Design and Nature and Ecodynamics.

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By:
BobSievier
When: 12 Aug 12 21:56
Could also have something to do with leopards and cheetahs
By:
orioles
When: 12 Aug 12 22:02
Well, one can never rule out the scourge of downtown Kingston.
By:
A_T
When: 12 Aug 12 22:07
One theory they were discussing on the BBC was that as the best sprinters are all descended from slaves taken from Africa. Only the strongest of these souls lived to an age where they had families and consequently the gene pool was from these strong survivors. All the finalists in the Olympic 100m would have been descended from slaves. Michael Johnson was not convinced by this theory.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 12 Aug 12 22:10
i watched that show.

Its still down to the make up of certain people.
By:
orioles
When: 12 Aug 12 22:14
It's a variation on a theory I've heard in America; that slave owners bred their strongest slaves to produce stronger, more productive slaves. I think I'm with Michael Johnson on this one, though.
By:
ebulGery
When: 12 Aug 12 22:34
interestly it is only black athletes
living in the U.S.A or West Indies which are the  fast sprinters

Very few from Africa their ethnic  country of origin ConfusedConfused
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Aug 12 22:55
My son asked me why there was one man running in the womens 800 metres final.

Very astute 6 year olds.
By:
A_T
When: 12 Aug 12 22:57
useless man too beaten by a girl
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Aug 12 23:03
A_T as soon as my son told me there was a man about to run against the women i slapped £50 on him..,

Its only money.
By:
SonofDunc
When: 12 Aug 12 23:14
AG,
My 9 yo said similar when they lined up for 800m women's final Grin
By:
orioles
When: 12 Aug 12 23:16
Sounds like powerful evidence that at least one element is hereditary.
By:
Lawrence of Arabia
When: 12 Aug 12 23:26
Helps them to get away from the police
By:
Stevie Strikes
When: 12 Aug 12 23:27
Whnite people tend to be better swimmers because we share a common ancestor with the whales.  I think thats what Dawkins said.
By:
ebulGery
When: 12 Aug 12 23:34
ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused

I think all human races came out of Africa???

I dont think white people descended form whalesCrazy
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 12 Aug 12 23:37
White people descended from white baboons, who couldnt stand the heat so searched for cooler climates.
By:
Stevie Strikes
When: 12 Aug 12 23:41
ebulGery, I didn't say white people are descended from whales, I said we share a common ancestor.  It is beyond dispute.

That being the reason we are better swimmers is just my logical extension to Prof. Dawkins' work.  Problem with him is he can't see the wood for the trees sometimes.
By:
Crisp77
When: 12 Aug 12 23:44
Can't believe Crisp would start a thread like this Sad
By:
ebulGery
When: 12 Aug 12 23:47
then so would all human species...
we are members of the ape family

we may have had a common ancestor with Whales, but that is going back a very very long way
By:
ebulGery
When: 12 Aug 12 23:47
Laugh crisp
By:
Stevie Strikes
When: 12 Aug 12 23:48
Hang on. How did that happen?  Crisp isn't the author on the topic list.

Let me just put the pieces together....
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 12 Aug 12 23:51
cant believe the op has fallen.

I knew his post was on the edge but it had substance Sad without being racist imo
By:
Stevie Strikes
When: 12 Aug 12 23:54
ebulGery, I am of course 'avin a larf.

Our closest living relative relative is the Chimpanzee (split from common ancestor some 2 million years ago), then the Gorilla (split from common ancestor some 6 million years ago).

It is only in the last decade with decoding genomes of loads of species that we have found that the closest living relative to whales are - wait for it - hippopotomuseseses.

Forget the 'The God Delusion' (self-aggrandising sensationalism).  If you want a REALLY good read, Dawkins best book, imo, is The Ancestors Tale - which takes you back on a journey, meeting one common ancestor after another until you reach the origins of life itself.

Seriously, give it a go.
By:
ebulGery
When: 13 Aug 12 00:08
oh no..
caught in the net againSadLaugh

of course you are right StevieHappy

Of course this athletics thing could be cultural..
it may be how black youths in our society  see themselvesConfused
or there could well be racial differences
...the big problem is, this is such an emotive subject
it is impossible to discuss objectively
or avoid getting banned doing itLaugh
By:
macarony
When: 13 Aug 12 13:55
orioles
12 Aug 12 21:38
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It seems that the difference between people originating from West Africa and (for example) white/caucasian athletes is a higher centre of gravity.

So nothing to do with having a bigger arse then or is having a bigger arse the higher centre of gravity?
By:
twomatchpoints
When: 13 Aug 12 19:46
if the question in the thread title has a proper answer, which it looks to have from posts so far, why has the opening post disappeared ? 

If it was offensive, why has the thread remained ?
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