Speeding tax

It's not a tax. It's a fine.

If you don't want to pay it, don't speed. Simple as that.

State theft - same thing.  Any idea about the answer?

Generally yes - but if you make a real effort you can get the ban without first accumulating the points.

12 points in a rolling 3 years

State theft - same thing

No it's not. Are you one of those people who thinks that because you don't like a law, you shouldn't have to obey it?

it's not a law it's a statute, and a statute is a rule of goverment given the force of law by the consent of the governed, so if he don't consent why should he obey it?

Thanks Ivor.

Police numbers are 16,000 less in the last year, coppers pointing speeding guns at me localy has increased to almost a daily occurance....its a tax just disguised as a fine

There's no difference, pad.  What's the difference?

12 points for i believe a six month ban

possible to argue your case though if transport is essential, google will give you clues as to what the exemptions are.

How fast can you go now on a top of the range Cannondale/Recumbent/Boardman?
Gettin any points at all would be an achievement for me.

How fast can you go now on a top of the range Cannondale/Recumbent/Boardman?

Easily over 30mph.

We went on a European cycling trip on cr*ppy mountain bikes, with paniers carrying all our kit and quite often went over 20mph. Cyclists have been arrested for doing over 30 when they shouldn't for at least 15 years or so.

After the Bill of Rights every other Act of Parliament is statute is it not? to make it Lawful it needs an  agreement consent (to contract). Not sure about speeding in 1689

'Consent' is implied consent of the many though, not the few who break (or in this case get caught breaking) the law. Whether or not you, as an individual, consent is pretty much irrelevant.

Speeding tax it is, they put fixed cameras on wide roads that are empty at night. They hide behind hedges for the mobile variety and don't say they don't I've seen them

BTW I've never been done for speeding, 6 points for no insurance but that's expired.

Anybody who can't see a fluorescent yellow box suspended 7 feet in the air probably doesn't have the requisite observational skills for driving anyway.

With the exception of days with very low sun speeding cameras are just an idiot tax for feckless halfwits.

That's true, only idiots would find £60 taxing.  It costs almost that to park these days.

Everybody has driven over the speed limit.

Yup. I probably have. If I got busted doing so I wouldn't whine like a b*tch and say 'ooh, it's a tax, it's a tax' though.

What are the feelings of those people who are unhappy with speeding law on drink driving, or taking illegal drugs? If you're equally happy for people to do those, then I at least have respect for your views. If not, then you need to take of your views on the law and morality.

you need to take of your views

reflect on

Drink driving is obviously a no no.... some recreational drugs although not a taker I have no problem with if done in the home or night club.

Would you say 90mph on an empty motorway at 2am was safer than 70mph during rush hour with all the reckless clowns?

Of course. The law is an ass, but we all know it's there. I just think that you should either not speed, or take it on the chin if you get busted.

I disagree HM, I've never been done for speeding yet I see these money making machines being put on every wide road in a 30 zone to catch the late night non regulars who don't know what limit their in. I was stopped by a motorbike cop 20 eyars ago when I genuinly didn't know the limit and he gave me a bye ball, these things have no reasoning.

For them that are interested in getting from A to B without having to worry too much about stealth taxes I can confirm that 'Road Angel' is the best bit of kit I have ever invested in. I think it cost me £400 or thereabouts but saved me ten times that in fines and insurance hikes...never had a single point added since installing it. And no - I don't work for them.

Don't they have different models with different strengths Boom - and where do you stand legally with them - legal to sell but not legal to use I heard?

Totally legal...they are marketed as 'accident blackspot locators' not as radar detectors. They use gps to log in to a database of every fixed camera site that's known about. They also detect radar guns etc...gives you a real fighting chance on the roads.

Just a couple of pointsL: Firstly, you should genuinely KNOW the speed limit for the road you are driving on...saying that you 'genuinely don't' is an admission of not paying adequate attention.
Secondly, clear roads are not clear...they simply appear that way to you.
After all, who ever drove into a pedestrian, cyclist or car that he SAW? Nobody! Because they obviously thought the road was clear!

Agreed. Stop speeding you dangerous feckers. Speed limit is there for a reason.

I wouldn't like to give the impression that I am some sort of angel.
In my time, I have been guilty of ALL the situations mentioned.
I've been done by handheld gun and 'sneaky' motorway one...50 zone, but nobody working (weekend).
I've been stopped and 'talked to' regarding speed in foggy conditions and I've been stopped and 'advised' in a 40 zone that I genuinely thought was 50mph zone.
But, on each and every occasion, the fault was entirely mine. I was driving too fast, too bravely or too inattentively. Guilty all the way.
I would like to think that my dismemeanours helped to make me a better driver and that the fines and 'little chats' actually showed me that you never actually appreciate what your little wrong-doings can end in.

History Maker:  I'm not "whining like a bit*h"   Just because I call it speeding tax.   I'm happy to pay the fee to go a bit faster than the plebs - it's a good system.

Going faster simply means you are more likely to kill or seriously injure someone else if you are involved in an accident.

    If someone is hit by a car at 40 mph they are 90% likely to be killed.
    If someone is hit by a car at 30 mph they are 50% likely to be killed.
    If someone is hit by a car at 20 mph they are 10% likely to be killed.

Can't believe BOOOM-GTFI is such a reckless driver he spends £400 to avoid £4,000 worth of fines etc! Fack being a passenger in his car!

Speeding in towns or built up areas I agree with the limits and the dangers of speeding, but motorways should be variable.

Lots of feckwits driving around with their foglights on

Generally only to be used if visibility is below 100m with your main lights on.

Lots of headlights lights come on automatically in low light now Crisp  - you are correct about the foggies often used too eagerly.

Get an infra-red camera fitted to the front of your car and the screen on the dashboard.

The turn your lights off and sneak up on people on motorways.

Huckerson
06 Feb 12 10:11
Can't believe BOOOM-GTFI is such a reckless driver he spends £400 to avoid £4,000 worth of fines etc! Fack being a passenger in his car!



LOL, you make me out to be some sort of lunatic. I don't advocate burning up the town every time I get in the car. All I'm saying is that Road Angel is an invaluable piece of kit especially when it comes to driving in places you aren't familiar with. When you drive in your own manor you become accustomed to where the speed cams are located so you know to drop your speed and not get ticketed. On stretches of road that you haven't driven on before (and I'm mainly talking motorways and big dual carriageways here) you can safely drive 10 - 20 above the posted limit without having to worry about scanning the sides of the roads or up on bridges looking for potential ticket problems. I don't care what the nay sayers say, speed cameras are nothing other than another form of taxation.

Before I get deluged with abuse I tend to drive in a straight line as in I don't weave through traffic like the maniac some probably think I do.

Even if the road has bends in it?

It might be interesting to point out that the cameras are often placed at known 'accident black-spot' areas. This is done to ensure that drivers slow down. It's no use warning them that it's an accident zone, because they simply think that those involved must have been less accomplished drivers than THEY are!
So the police stick a camera there and that makes them slow down.

OBJECTION! We get mobile cameras is known no-accident white spots.
I think both sides of the argument have some merit tbf.

We do indeed. 'Tis this that stops them from BECOMING accident black-spots.

IN 2006 (as a pedestrian0 i was hit by a car which was travelling at 60mph on a country road a night when i was drunk. The car tossed me in the air like a rag doll and after i had flipped a couple of times i came crashing down into the windscreen, which smashed and shattered. I ended up on the road on my back the the front wheels of the car pressed against my legs. Lucky for me my shoulder hit the windscreen and took the majority of the impact and my head had escaped major impact. I ended up with a broken leg, eye socket, bad brusing/cuts on my shoulder and badly winded for a couple of minutes.

In the ambulance the paramedic actually mentioned that because i was hit at 60mph i was tossed clear of the car, and that he has seen many fatal accidents at lesser speeds because of being dragged under the car. So sometimes being hit at 30mph can be worse than 60mph.

Thats a conversation stopper AG!
My Jag.has a bonnet that springs open to give peds. a 'softer'landing than a windscreen collision. The jury is still out as to whether bouncing them off is the better option - and more importantly replacing the bonnet is VERY expensive!

i'm sure all the people who think motorway speed limits should be variable are excellent excellent drivers with impeccable judgement as to what the appropriate speed should be given the conditions.

the problem, however, is that in allowing you the luxury to choose your speed limit, you also give license to fecking sh1t dangerous drivers (which none of you are) to choose the wrong speed given the conditions and cause accidents killing innocent people who were driving sensibly.

i would rather deny good drivers the opportunity to enjoy that choice than give bad drivers the chance to get it wrong.

DStyle my point on variable speed limits doesnt mean the driver choses a speed but rather that similar to the M42 where they drop the limit during rush hour and busy times, this is done by gantries over he lanes with the limit for that lane lit up above, the motorway network is monitored 24hours a day from nationwide control centres at 2am if the roads clear why cant it be 90?

WHAT! - just 50% of top ??? **&&%$!

just tell them it was mrs goring driving. or do you not let her anywhere near the roller?

What's this Goring stuff about? My life is very different from that city finance character!
Mrs.Ifor IS insured to drive it - but NEVER will.

Whippet believes V4V is Goring.

(cheers AG - makes scents now)

what happened to goring?

I've got a foolproof method to avoid being nicked.

I've got copies of Ivor's number plates on my car

And if he moans on here, I'll speed past the first camera I see.

I remember whizzing home through the lanes one night after a few cigars and wines at the club at about 60mph.  I hit something and tossed it clear - I think it was a deer or hippo or something.  I thank God I was pessed and going so quick else someone might have been hurt.

60 mph is what saved the hippo, if you had reduced your speed to say 40mph the hippo could have been dragged under the car, and that just aint on.

twomatchpoints is a wonderful man and we should all be grateful that he shares his wisdom and experience with us. I'd like him to be my best friend from now on.