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10 Oct 11
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The Artists impression drawing of him shows massive hands .
Still no answer to the missing Pizza .
Still no answer to the missing Pizza .
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If he was an experienced serial killer, he probably wouldnt pick on someone who lived so close to him.
good point. probably a moment of lustful madness. I sure feel like killing people over christmans as well
Huntley was 20 years x 2. For clarity. Anyway, no point dragging me into it, going home in 10 mins.
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If he was an experienced serial killer, he probably wouldnt pick on someone who lived so close to him.
Any proof he was a serial killer?
Well known fact that 80% of victims know their assailant ( serious crime) and 90% of assailants either live or work within 500 yards of the crime-scene.
Replies: 1442 28 Oct 11 16:14
If he was an experienced serial killer, he probably wouldnt pick on someone who lived so close to him.
Any proof he was a serial killer?
Well known fact that 80% of victims know their assailant ( serious crime) and 90% of assailants either live or work within 500 yards of the crime-scene.
Oct 28, 2011 -- 10:26AM, twonky wrote:
Helissio Joined: 06 Jan 02Replies: 1442 28 Oct 11 16:14 If he was an experienced serial killer, he probably wouldnt pick on someone who lived so close to him. Any proof he was a serial killer?Well known fact that 80% of victims know their assailant ( serious crime) and 90% of assailants either live or work within 500 yards of the crime-scene.
I said if he was. In response to "The Magic Flea"'s post at 4.12pm
implication is though if he had held his hands up straight away he'd have got 13 or 14 years - a third off for a guilty plea - which would be absurd given the aggravating features of the murder.
Intent to kill or 'do serious harm' unproven here. Manslaughter it is.
were you being serious??
How on earth could it ever be proven if you have to prove what was going through the killers mind at the time?
If you take a deliberate action that is clearly going to result in death then that is murder .Wether or not the killer stopped to think about it beforehand is neither here nor there.
Manslaughter is surely when someone is responsible for the death but the action/or inaction could not be forseen as being fatal . The 'unsound mind' defence is very dubious when that comes up IMO but that was not the case here anyway.
Yes the Huntley is innocent juror was quite unbelievable. Judges sometimes don't explain reasonable doubt so well and some people get the idea that it means scientific proof.
I've done Jury Service a couple of times and people are happy to drag it out for another day off work tbh
were you being serious??
How on earth could it ever be proven if you have to prove what was going through the killers mind at the time?
If you take a deliberate action that is clearly going to result in death then that is murder .Wether or not the killer stopped to think about it beforehand is neither here nor there.
Manslaughter is surely when someone is responsible for the death but the action/or inaction could not be forseen as being fatal . The 'unsound mind' defence is very dubious when that comes up IMO but that was not the case here anyway.
Yes the Huntley is innocent juror was quite unbelievable. Judges sometimes don't explain reasonable doubt so well and some people get the idea that it means scientific proof.
I've done Jury Service a couple of times and people are happy to drag it out for another day off work tbh
yep with that defence every single person to have murdered someone with intent to could claim after that "oh I didnt mean it"
yes Toby ok ok - that was ages ago before the verdict and before we found out about the violent porn I take it back.
why couldn't the 'violent porn' thing come out during trial?
suppose the thought is that watching violent porn doesnt make you a murderer as I guess many thousands watch that kind of material
Im of the opinion that jury should be told and make own mind up
Im of the opinion that jury should be told and make own mind up
The judge thought it would prejudice the trial, that the jurors would think he was guilty before the other evidence was heard.
I think thats dubious too .IMO if your defence was you were a decent chap and wouldn't commit this sort of offence then people are entitled to hear evidence to the contrary. Not sure Tabak had any 'character' defence though.
I don't think it was that relevant though as i just can't see how Manslaugrer can ever be a defence against murder by stangulation , as you just can't do that inadvertently, it is about the most deliberate way of killing people there is .Intent can never be in doubt.
I think thats dubious too .IMO if your defence was you were a decent chap and wouldn't commit this sort of offence then people are entitled to hear evidence to the contrary. Not sure Tabak had any 'character' defence though.
I don't think it was that relevant though as i just can't see how Manslaugrer can ever be a defence against murder by stangulation , as you just can't do that inadvertently, it is about the most deliberate way of killing people there is .Intent can never be in doubt.
exactly right - watching violent porn doesn't make you a murderer. Just read the judges reasons for not allowing it and it was that word for word. Fair enough.
its often the case with previous police charges or cautions for previous offences which sometimes arent mentioned
i would be interested to know why two of the jurors weren't convinced this was murder. Not having a pop, would just like to know their thought process. Would have been an interesting to be a fly on the wall.
If you try and kiss a woman, and she screams, its not acceptable to start placing you hands with force around their mouth and neck. Then claim it was an accident when they die. - That should have been enough to convict him for murder.
you wonder if certain individuals love playing devils advocate in those situations
weve all come across them in life and in fact a few on this forum.
Just feel need to argue against popular and clear view of things
weve all come across them in life and in fact a few on this forum.
Just feel need to argue against popular and clear view of things
His whole defence was nonsense IMO
Suprised how many people accepted so much of it . ''So Jo called him imside and then they were chatting.... '' And then they go on to say she may have been leading him on etc . More likely he approached her outside as she was returning or knocked on her door
Suprised how many people accepted so much of it . ''So Jo called him imside and then they were chatting.... '' And then they go on to say she may have been leading him on etc . More likely he approached her outside as she was returning or knocked on her door
No
Didnt have anyone in mind in particular
My thoughts if any were more towards recent 9/11 threads etc
Didnt have anyone in mind in particular
My thoughts if any were more towards recent 9/11 threads etc
It seems that this information was withheld as it made him look too guilty of murder.
But I guess you want the same rules to be applied to every one. It could have conceivably bean an innocent man that had hardcore porn on his PC....
But I guess you want the same rules to be applied to every one. It could have conceivably bean an innocent man that had hardcore porn on his PC....
yep it was so obvious that it was story concocted to try and fit the evidence against him. made no mention of it on his original police interview. the usual no comment answer to all questions which guilty people often do.
only when the tests came back showing his dna was on the body did he come up with this fairy tale.
only when the tests came back showing his dna was on the body did he come up with this fairy tale.
DNA has just completely changed everything over recent years
This guy probably could have stuck to his guns and claimed to have not gone near the girl years ago and may well have got off in court or infact no charges even brought
This guy probably could have stuck to his guns and claimed to have not gone near the girl years ago and may well have got off in court or infact no charges even brought
I'm not sure it's right that it's withheld either but I do think it would undoubtedly be somewhat prejudicial. I'm no expert but you're not allowed to reveal previous convictions and such, are you? Huntley's previous was considerably worse than Tabak's in that regard.
"i would be interested to know why two of the jurors weren't convinced this was murder."
surprised me too. but apparently the judge didn't allow images found on his computer
(porn, incl women with men's hands around their necks) to be admitted to court.
don't undestand that either, this disgusting individual clearly had a secret double life,
if the jurors were allowed to consider all the facts sure it would have been
a 12/12 verdict.
but maybe the judge confused some of the jurors with his directions
and telling them you have to decide did he intend to kill her.
surprised me too. but apparently the judge didn't allow images found on his computer
(porn, incl women with men's hands around their necks) to be admitted to court.
don't undestand that either, this disgusting individual clearly had a secret double life,
if the jurors were allowed to consider all the facts sure it would have been
a 12/12 verdict.
but maybe the judge confused some of the jurors with his directions
and telling them you have to decide did he intend to kill her.
Has there been any explanation as yet of how the police investigation was so incompetent?
on the face of it seems incredible they took best part of a month to charge a killer living next door. iirc boyfriend was the prime suspect even before tabak threw the landlord into the picture
I also think the notion that Tabak 'implicated' Jeffries, which the prosecution - at the behest of The Police no doubt- made a big deal of in court, didn't really stack up from what i read of the evidence.
While Tabak doubtless wanted to put the landlord in the frame, from what he actually said (landlord moved his car?) he didn't do a very good job of it and hard to say why anyone would rule out Tabak and focus on Jeffries just for that.
I think the constant stressing of Tabak's lies re Jeffries are the police's first steps in trying to squirm out of what they did to the Landlord.
While Tabak doubtless wanted to put the landlord in the frame, from what he actually said (landlord moved his car?) he didn't do a very good job of it and hard to say why anyone would rule out Tabak and focus on Jeffries just for that.
I think the constant stressing of Tabak's lies re Jeffries are the police's first steps in trying to squirm out of what they did to the Landlord.
"But his big mistake was to contact the police after they arrested his landlord, Christopher Jefferies, and try to help pin the blame on him. In doing so he asked too many questions about the police investigation and roused the suspicions of the detective sent to interview him."
Amazing - as if the police weren't 'on to him' at all : until he blew by asking too many questions under the guise of being helpful to police.
Amazing - as if the police weren't 'on to him' at all : until he blew by asking too many questions under the guise of being helpful to police.
seemingly he only viewed porn after the murder, so perhaps, it was justified,
no doubt the police are highly embarrassed about what went on in the early stages of the investigation
the police have to start from scratch, the landlords cameos to the cameras rightly aroused suspicion or at least gave the police a reason to arrest him
as they had dna he would be easily excluded
as they had dna he would be easily excluded
They gave no reason to arrest him at all!!
You would only arrest someone for this if you thought he had probably done it, not just because he looked a bit odd when they had zero evidence .They knew very well what the press would do with the arrest.
Of course no matter how incompetent they were the police will get an easy ride from the tabloids, who will hardly want to cover the mistreatment of Jeffries at all.
You would only arrest someone for this if you thought he had probably done it, not just because he looked a bit odd when they had zero evidence .They knew very well what the press would do with the arrest.
Of course no matter how incompetent they were the police will get an easy ride from the tabloids, who will hardly want to cover the mistreatment of Jeffries at all.
he was hinting he knew stuff, probably to get a payment off the press
i doubt there will be any wrongful arrest complaint
i doubt there will be any wrongful arrest complaint
There already is one Donny, just had to wait for the trial to end for it to proceed
As to his hinting things, from what i recall at the time these were things his neighbour (not Tabak) said Jeffries has said which the neighbour (who was in his 80s) had got wrong.
As to his hinting things, from what i recall at the time these were things his neighbour (not Tabak) said Jeffries has said which the neighbour (who was in his 80s) had got wrong.
it will be interesting to see how it all turns out
i think the press went way over the top, after he was arrested
i think the press went way over the top, after he was arrested
The newspapers have made a 'substantial' payout to him
My guess though is they would not have gone so far over the top if the police hadn't been telling them he was a 1.01 off the record.
My guess though is they would not have gone so far over the top if the police hadn't been telling them he was a 1.01 off the record.
The main mystery though is why they took so long to seriously consider the guy next door 
Does not appear he ever came up with much of an alibi, and , apart from arresting Jeffries, other staements they were making indicated they were starting to look further from the scene of crime for a suspect.
Does not appear he ever came up with much of an alibi, and , apart from arresting Jeffries, other staements they were making indicated they were starting to look further from the scene of crime for a suspect.
The press are at it again. Trying to link the fact he may or may not have used a prostitute when away on business trips to him being a bad person.
Mr Jefferies, who retired from teaching in 2001, said the knowledge he was innocent only served to fuel his anger and frustration during days of police questioning.
He said: "I did start to think, 'Well, a lot of time has been wasted on an innocent person. Whoever was responsible for Jo's disappearance and murder is still on the loose and remains a danger to the public.'"
Dutch national Vincent Tabak, 33, a neighbour of Miss Yeates later admitted strangling her and dumping her body on a grass verge three miles from her home on December 17, 2010.
Mr Jefferies is now pursuing a civil case against the police for wrongful arrest and imprisonment.
He complained: "The police were not interested at all in my well-being and, indeed, all they were interested in was making a quick arrest and being seen to be doing something effective in the eyes of the public."
He said: "I did start to think, 'Well, a lot of time has been wasted on an innocent person. Whoever was responsible for Jo's disappearance and murder is still on the loose and remains a danger to the public.'"
Dutch national Vincent Tabak, 33, a neighbour of Miss Yeates later admitted strangling her and dumping her body on a grass verge three miles from her home on December 17, 2010.
Mr Jefferies is now pursuing a civil case against the police for wrongful arrest and imprisonment.
He complained: "The police were not interested at all in my well-being and, indeed, all they were interested in was making a quick arrest and being seen to be doing something effective in the eyes of the public."
tobermory 28 Oct 11 16:38
Yes the Huntley is innocent juror was quite unbelievable. Judges sometimes don't explain reasonable doubt so well and some people get the idea that it means scientific proof.
The judge today was reported to have told the jury they had to be "sure" that Tabak intended to kill. Maybe some of the jury thought they had to be 100% certain when of course they only have to believe it beyond reasonable doubt.
In some cases it seems the jury don't understand reasonable doubt and the verdicts reflect that.
There must have been literally no evidence for the landlord to be arrested. Makes you wonder what goes on down the cop shop 
The parents of Jo Yeates said they wish their daughter's killer could have been given the death penalty.
In a statement read outside court by police on their behalf, David and Theresa Yeates said they hoped Vincent Tabak's life would be "a living hell"
Mr and Mrs Yeates said: "For us it is with regret that capital punishment is not a possible option for his sentence.
"The best we can hope for him is that he spends the rest of his life incarcerated where his life is a living hell."
The trial had been "more stressful and intense than we ever imagined", the couple said.
"There was never any doubt in our minds that Jo had been murdered and we fully expected [Tabak] to lie when he went into the witness box," their statement added.
We so miss hearing her happy voice and seeing her living life to the full”
"We came here with little hope or expectation of hearing what happened on 17 December but needed to see him and hear what he had to say first hand.
"We saw no emotion or remorse or regret for what he did to Jo. We felt all emotion expressed by him was false. All we heard were words of self-pity."
Mr and Mrs Yeates said: "We have still lost our daughter and our son has lost his sister.
"Our main sorrow is that Jo isn't allowed to start her own family, have children and achieve her potential.
"We will never get over our loss, how she was murdered and the total lack of respect with which her body was treated.
Miss Yeates's parents thanked people for letters and cards they had received, and for the physical tributes that have been made in commemoration of Miss Yeates which they said "touched us to the core".
In a statement read outside court by police on their behalf, David and Theresa Yeates said they hoped Vincent Tabak's life would be "a living hell"
Mr and Mrs Yeates said: "For us it is with regret that capital punishment is not a possible option for his sentence.
"The best we can hope for him is that he spends the rest of his life incarcerated where his life is a living hell."
The trial had been "more stressful and intense than we ever imagined", the couple said.
"There was never any doubt in our minds that Jo had been murdered and we fully expected [Tabak] to lie when he went into the witness box," their statement added.
We so miss hearing her happy voice and seeing her living life to the full”
"We came here with little hope or expectation of hearing what happened on 17 December but needed to see him and hear what he had to say first hand.
"We saw no emotion or remorse or regret for what he did to Jo. We felt all emotion expressed by him was false. All we heard were words of self-pity."
Mr and Mrs Yeates said: "We have still lost our daughter and our son has lost his sister.
"Our main sorrow is that Jo isn't allowed to start her own family, have children and achieve her potential.
"We will never get over our loss, how she was murdered and the total lack of respect with which her body was treated.
Miss Yeates's parents thanked people for letters and cards they had received, and for the physical tributes that have been made in commemoration of Miss Yeates which they said "touched us to the core".
The judge today was reported to have told the jury they had to be "sure" that Tabak intended to kill. Maybe some of the jury thought they had to be 100% certain when of course they only have to believe it beyond reasonable doubt.
I can't see how a juror could hear that it took 20 seconds to strangle the life out of her, yet be unsure Tabak intended to kill her.
This was one of the most chancer defences I have heard (because there was no better one) and the defence council still got two jurors to buy it. If I had my hands around your neck for 20 seconds squeezing the life out of you, could you honestly believe I only meant to shut you up in blind panic (in any circumstance).
Unless the two jurors misunderstood that the intent to kill had to be premeditated from the point he left his flat.
I can't see how a juror could hear that it took 20 seconds to strangle the life out of her, yet be unsure Tabak intended to kill her.
This was one of the most chancer defences I have heard (because there was no better one) and the defence council still got two jurors to buy it. If I had my hands around your neck for 20 seconds squeezing the life out of you, could you honestly believe I only meant to shut you up in blind panic (in any circumstance).
Unless the two jurors misunderstood that the intent to kill had to be premeditated from the point he left his flat.
Maybe with his people building flow management skills he can solve prison overcrowding during the next 20 years
Well he's in the right place if he's into sexual violence
V Tabak already planning his escape.
He will have to be someones bitch inside.
Apparently they will rip him a new one and then he will be vaseline fingered. ( Evidence of vaseline makes it consensual !!)
He will have to be someones bitch inside.
Apparently they will rip him a new one and then he will be vaseline fingered. ( Evidence of vaseline makes it consensual !!)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/28/joanna-yeates-murder-mysteries-explained?newsfeed=true
Joanna Yeates murder: the mysteries explained
Vincent Tabak trial addressed puzzles over the pizza, the bottles of cider and the missing sock
Steven Morris
guardian.co.uk, Friday 28 October 2011 16.56 BST
Following Joanna Yeates's disappearance the media and armchair detectives became fascinated by many puzzling elements of the case.
Most have now been at least partially explained:
The pizza
Yeates bought a pizza as she walked home on the night she vanished. The receipt was found at her flat but not the pizza nor its box. She had not eaten it.
The explanation: Tabak admits that he ate pizza on the evening he killed Yeates but denies it was hers. He claims he took the pizza and its box from her flat after killing Yeates and dumped it in a municipal bin. The prosecution suggested Tabak had eaten it.
The two bottles of cider
Yeates also bought two bottles of cider on her way home. This led to speculation she had bought one for her and one for a guest she was expecting.
The explanation: CCTV footage of Yeates in the off-licence was shown in court. She picked up one bottle of cider, stepped away, then returned and grabbed a second, suggesting it had been a spontaneous purchase and was for her. According to the defence, Yeates opened one of the bottles and may have taken a sip from it before she was killed.
When Yeates's boyfriend, Greg Reardon, returned home on Sunday evening he says he found the opened bottle and finished the drink. Tabak claims Yeates offered him a drink but he refused as he was driving later to pick up his girlfriend.
The sock
When Yeates's body was found one of her socks (in fact, one of Reardon's socks she had borrowed) was missing. One theory was that the killer had kept it as a trophy.
The explanation: Tabak claims the sock fell off in Yeates's flat and that after he moved the body to his home he went back to her flat, took the sock and put it in a municipal bin.
What happened to Yeates after she vanished?
There was a great deal of speculation following Yeates's disappearance and after her body was found. Was she held captive before being killed? Is that why her body was not found for eight days? Was she left alive by the side of the road in sub-zero temperatures to die of hypothermia?
The explanation: both the prosecution and defence accept she was killed soon after arriving home on the night she was last seen alive, and her body was dumped in a roadside verge not long afterwards. Fresh snow fell and covered her body, and few people walked along that lane.
© 2011 Guardian News and Media Limited or its affiliated companies. All rights reserved.
Joanna Yeates murder: the mysteries explained
Vincent Tabak trial addressed puzzles over the pizza, the bottles of cider and the missing sock
Steven Morris
guardian.co.uk, Friday 28 October 2011 16.56 BST
Following Joanna Yeates's disappearance the media and armchair detectives became fascinated by many puzzling elements of the case.
Most have now been at least partially explained:
The pizza
Yeates bought a pizza as she walked home on the night she vanished. The receipt was found at her flat but not the pizza nor its box. She had not eaten it.
The explanation: Tabak admits that he ate pizza on the evening he killed Yeates but denies it was hers. He claims he took the pizza and its box from her flat after killing Yeates and dumped it in a municipal bin. The prosecution suggested Tabak had eaten it.
The two bottles of cider
Yeates also bought two bottles of cider on her way home. This led to speculation she had bought one for her and one for a guest she was expecting.
The explanation: CCTV footage of Yeates in the off-licence was shown in court. She picked up one bottle of cider, stepped away, then returned and grabbed a second, suggesting it had been a spontaneous purchase and was for her. According to the defence, Yeates opened one of the bottles and may have taken a sip from it before she was killed.
When Yeates's boyfriend, Greg Reardon, returned home on Sunday evening he says he found the opened bottle and finished the drink. Tabak claims Yeates offered him a drink but he refused as he was driving later to pick up his girlfriend.
The sock
When Yeates's body was found one of her socks (in fact, one of Reardon's socks she had borrowed) was missing. One theory was that the killer had kept it as a trophy.
The explanation: Tabak claims the sock fell off in Yeates's flat and that after he moved the body to his home he went back to her flat, took the sock and put it in a municipal bin.
What happened to Yeates after she vanished?
There was a great deal of speculation following Yeates's disappearance and after her body was found. Was she held captive before being killed? Is that why her body was not found for eight days? Was she left alive by the side of the road in sub-zero temperatures to die of hypothermia?
The explanation: both the prosecution and defence accept she was killed soon after arriving home on the night she was last seen alive, and her body was dumped in a roadside verge not long afterwards. Fresh snow fell and covered her body, and few people walked along that lane.
© 2011 Guardian News and Media Limited or its affiliated companies. All rights reserved.
The bf drank the cider that had been open for days? Warm?
warm? As in room temperature which was extremly cold at the time.
he'll be in solitary for his own protection i would imagine. certainly won't be mixing with the ordinary lags who'll be queueing up to take a pop at him
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warm? As in room temperature which was extremly cold at the time.
but the heating might have been on??? Fair comment
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warm? As in room temperature which was extremly cold at the time.
but the heating might have been on??? Fair comment
pixie
Chough, and flat. Were you one of the two on the jury?
Who is flat please?
Chough, and flat. Were you one of the two on the jury?
Who is flat please?
The jury system is a joke.People being judged by a set of morons in most cases.I did 2 weeks of it and was amazed by how thick some of the people were.This guy was guilty no doubt and the right decision reached in this case,but I think cases should be dealt with by judges.The days of 12 people good and true should be ended.
I agree Try my Best that is a great point you make there.In fact in sends shivers down my spine.I feel it should be an intelligent jury at least not a load of thicko's thats for sure
Vincent Tabak looked like a nasty piece of work with dodgy eyes an has been convicted of a dispicable crime.I hope he rots in hell
The jury system needs to go. A lot of trials are complicated and full of legal jargon that you are going to get some people just doubting the evidence.
Many juries are too easily confused and a good barrister can create doubt in their minds when there really should be none. Quite how anyone can believe you can throttle and strong young woman to death by mistake is a mystery. Judges as well are often too far up their own arses to sum things up in a way a jury can understand.
Any news on how his gf, id assume ex has reacted ?
The jury system is a joke.People being judged by a set of morons in most cases.
I think that the time is coming when something must change.
There are cases where the Internet and social networking are jeopardising trials. And in other cases where complex science is used in evidence or expert testimony debated that very few people are in a position to judge, however intelligent they might be. Is the average judge in any better position to weigh up expert testimony or complex science than the rest of us?
I rather like the idea of a set of people debating the evidence, rather than having one, perhaps no better-informed, person deciding the verdict. It probably needs tweaking a bit for the times imo.
I think that the time is coming when something must change.
There are cases where the Internet and social networking are jeopardising trials. And in other cases where complex science is used in evidence or expert testimony debated that very few people are in a position to judge, however intelligent they might be. Is the average judge in any better position to weigh up expert testimony or complex science than the rest of us?
I rather like the idea of a set of people debating the evidence, rather than having one, perhaps no better-informed, person deciding the verdict. It probably needs tweaking a bit for the times imo.
imagine if he got let off because judge decided ---porn---violent sites he viewed wasnt allowed
"Any news on how his gf, id assume ex has reacted ? "
Apparently Tabak's ex is believed to have moved abroad to start a new life.
She met him through the Guardian's lonely hearts column, Soul Mates in 2008.
Poor girl was so convinced he was innocent she went into shock
when she realised he was responsible.
She said they had planned to marry and start a family.
Apparently Tabak's ex is believed to have moved abroad to start a new life.
She met him through the Guardian's lonely hearts column, Soul Mates in 2008.
Poor girl was so convinced he was innocent she went into shock
when she realised he was responsible.
She said they had planned to marry and start a family.
His ex gf (assuming she has dumped him!)is the silent victim in all this.
It must have been an appalling situation for her to realise that the person she had planned her future with had done such a thing. She won't get a huge amount of public sympathy because she is not seen as the victim and she will always be associated with Tabak regardless of the fact that she was absolutely nothing to do with it.
I wouldn't wish that situation on anyone and hope that she manages to start afresh. I reckon I would struggle to trust anyone after that.
It must have been an appalling situation for her to realise that the person she had planned her future with had done such a thing. She won't get a huge amount of public sympathy because she is not seen as the victim and she will always be associated with Tabak regardless of the fact that she was absolutely nothing to do with it.
I wouldn't wish that situation on anyone and hope that she manages to start afresh. I reckon I would struggle to trust anyone after that.
? thats bit wet and over the top with the 'victimness' imo.
She is no victim, she will just put it down to him being looney and get on with her own life.
She is no victim, she will just put it down to him being looney and get on with her own life.
^ maybe she had a lucky escape,
replies to a lonely hearts ad and gets a porn-crazed weirdo Dutchman,
who gets his twisted kicks on sick violent porn with men strangling girls.
surprised the police took so long to make the connection with him,
but more of the story likely to come out in next few days, especially now that he will face
more questions from police who fear he may have killed before.
replies to a lonely hearts ad and gets a porn-crazed weirdo Dutchman,
who gets his twisted kicks on sick violent porn with men strangling girls.
surprised the police took so long to make the connection with him,
but more of the story likely to come out in next few days, especially now that he will face
more questions from police who fear he may have killed before.
Disagree with the call to drop jury trials on here, particularly with some of the reasoning. It is true that a "clever" barrister can cause doubt in jurors, but we have a tough standard of proof for criminal trials - you have to be _sure_. If doubt can be created that easily and created in six people out of twelve, then guilt isn't proved imo.
An American prostitute has claimed Vincent Tabak tried to strangle her weeks before he murdered Joanna Yeates.
Sarah Rayne, 22, met the Dutchman in a hotel room while he was in Los Angeles on a business trip last December.
Miss Rayne says Tabak paid her £155 for sex and then asked her to act out a fantasy in which she pretended to have been drugged by him while he squeezed her neck and "throttled" her.
“At first I played along with him. But then squeezing started to turn into throttling. I screamed at him to let me go and he must have been so shocked by my shrieking that he did.”
“I told him to leave and he had the nerve to ask for his money back."
Sarah Rayne, 22, met the Dutchman in a hotel room while he was in Los Angeles on a business trip last December.
Miss Rayne says Tabak paid her £155 for sex and then asked her to act out a fantasy in which she pretended to have been drugged by him while he squeezed her neck and "throttled" her.
“At first I played along with him. But then squeezing started to turn into throttling. I screamed at him to let me go and he must have been so shocked by my shrieking that he did.”
“I told him to leave and he had the nerve to ask for his money back."
would take that story with a pinch of salt
maybe true but chances are also wants to raise profile
maybe true but chances are also wants to raise profile
He's only got about another 7000 days to go before he can be considered for release? Was the sentence indeterminate or a fixed 20 year jail term.If he VT is released at 53 i think that would be so wrong
Tabak is expected to ask for a move to Holland at the earliest opportunity.
With no family in the UK and a mother who is ill, he will qualify for a move under international prison transfer rules.
But the final decision is down to the authorities.
A spokesman for the Ministry of Justice has refused to comment on individual cases.
With no family in the UK and a mother who is ill, he will qualify for a move under international prison transfer rules.
But the final decision is down to the authorities.
A spokesman for the Ministry of Justice has refused to comment on individual cases.
why do the courts say he might be released in 20 years? What does that mean please?
if he is a serial killer---you dont exactly go for next door neighbour
If this Vincent chappie is sent back to Holland will he be on 'ear hole watch'. ?
It means he won't be considered for release until that point - 20 years.
To be honest, I doubt very much he's killed before. The stuff with the prostitute would suggest he was building up to this, and his attempts to cover his tracks after the murder looked amateurish. He'd have been caught sooner were it not for the snow.
To be honest, I doubt very much he's killed before. The stuff with the prostitute would suggest he was building up to this, and his attempts to cover his tracks after the murder looked amateurish. He'd have been caught sooner were it not for the snow.
interesting what the american girl says
i wonder did tabak try to drug the pizza/cider
might make some sense of a few things
i doubt we will ever know
i wonder did tabak try to drug the pizza/cider
might make some sense of a few things
i doubt we will ever know
Vile images of children being sexually abused were found on Vincent Tabak's laptop, police sources have revealed.
An anonymous officer involved in the investigation said Tabak had 30 images depicting child pornography on his laptop computer at home. They were all category four images.
'Following his conviction for murder, I don't think the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) will prosecute. It just won't happen.'
There are five levels of severity for offences involving indecent photographs of children, which start with images depicting 'erotic posing with no sexual activity'.
Category four images depict penetrative sexual activity involving a child or children, or both children and adults.
An anonymous officer involved in the investigation said Tabak had 30 images depicting child pornography on his laptop computer at home. They were all category four images.
'Following his conviction for murder, I don't think the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) will prosecute. It just won't happen.'
There are five levels of severity for offences involving indecent photographs of children, which start with images depicting 'erotic posing with no sexual activity'.
Category four images depict penetrative sexual activity involving a child or children, or both children and adults.
"he asked for his money back". ha ha that line is too good, people don't make that sort of stuff up. The prossie speak true.
Courts should have the power to quiz all defendants and witnesses on their use of internet porn said a top lawyer .
Nick Freeman the solicitor dubbed Mr Loophole said it was outrageous that the jury in the Jo Yeates murder trial couldn't hear about Vincent Tabak's interest in images of women being throttled - yet Milly Dowler's father was hounded over his interest in bondage when his daughter's killer was in court.
Mr Freeman said: 'In my view, anyone watching internet porn should know that if they subsequently become a defendant or witness in criminal proceedings, their cyber spectating could be open to questioning in court, if relevant to the charge.'
There are 755 million porn-heavy pages on the web, generating £60billion a year in filth-soaked revenue. And nearly 36 per cent of the population are looking at it. One of them could be you.
Would you take a peek if you knew your secret wasn`t safe?
Nick Freeman the solicitor dubbed Mr Loophole said it was outrageous that the jury in the Jo Yeates murder trial couldn't hear about Vincent Tabak's interest in images of women being throttled - yet Milly Dowler's father was hounded over his interest in bondage when his daughter's killer was in court.
Mr Freeman said: 'In my view, anyone watching internet porn should know that if they subsequently become a defendant or witness in criminal proceedings, their cyber spectating could be open to questioning in court, if relevant to the charge.'
There are 755 million porn-heavy pages on the web, generating £60billion a year in filth-soaked revenue. And nearly 36 per cent of the population are looking at it. One of them could be you.
Would you take a peek if you knew your secret wasn`t safe?
755 million? That guy has looked at a LOT of porn!
The Attorney General is considering whether to take action over a tweet exposing Vincent Tabak's use of violent pornography.
A blogger is alleged to have ignored a reporting ban during the trial of the Dutch engineer for murdering Jo Yeates.
The suspect was arrested last week over the tweet, sent out before the jury delivered its verdict.
A blogger is alleged to have ignored a reporting ban during the trial of the Dutch engineer for murdering Jo Yeates.
The suspect was arrested last week over the tweet, sent out before the jury delivered its verdict.
what a ****, trying to stick the landlord right in it
Watching BBC1 as well, the landlord on the front page of every newspaper with his blue barnet whilst a school teacher. Sickening, whatever compensation he got or will get you can't begrudge him a bean for that ordeal.
coppers got lucky
good job he made that call from holland about landlord or would they ever have followed up on him ??
good job he made that call from holland about landlord or would they ever have followed up on him ??
SY - there's a fair chance that ultimately they would have obtained DNA from everyone who lived a certain distance from Jo Yeates's flat, and that would have seen Tabak fúcked.
perhaps
was in holland though and could have been anywhere in world by time they asked for DNA
was in holland though and could have been anywhere in world by time they asked for DNA
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http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Vincent-Tabak-trial-child-porn-charges-postponed/story-22880432-detail/story.html
Vincent Tabak's trial over child porn charges has been postponed
THE trial of an engineer accused of possessing and making indecent images of children has been postponed.
Dutch-born Vincent Tabak, 36, was due to stand trial on Monday at Bristol Crown Court accused of four charges of possessing an indecent photograph or pseudo-photograph of a child and two charges of making an indecent photograph or pseudo- photograph of a child.
Tabak, right, formerly of Clifton, was charged following the discovery of indecent images of children which were allegedly found on his computer following a separate police investigation.
The possession charges are said to have been committed between 1 January 2009 and 5 January 2011 and relate to material allegedly recovered from a laptop. The making indecent photograph charges relate to images allegedly found on two external hard drives in Bath and Bristol on 23 April and 29 July 2009 respectively.
After an application to delay the trial for further expert input, the trial date was postponed to a date to be fixed in the future.
Read more at http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Vincent-Tabak-trial-child-porn-charges-postpone...
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Vincent-Tabak-trial-child-porn-charges-postponed/story-22880432-detail/story.html
Vincent Tabak's trial over child porn charges has been postponed
THE trial of an engineer accused of possessing and making indecent images of children has been postponed.
Dutch-born Vincent Tabak, 36, was due to stand trial on Monday at Bristol Crown Court accused of four charges of possessing an indecent photograph or pseudo-photograph of a child and two charges of making an indecent photograph or pseudo- photograph of a child.
Tabak, right, formerly of Clifton, was charged following the discovery of indecent images of children which were allegedly found on his computer following a separate police investigation.
The possession charges are said to have been committed between 1 January 2009 and 5 January 2011 and relate to material allegedly recovered from a laptop. The making indecent photograph charges relate to images allegedly found on two external hard drives in Bath and Bristol on 23 April and 29 July 2009 respectively.
After an application to delay the trial for further expert input, the trial date was postponed to a date to be fixed in the future.
Read more at http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Vincent-Tabak-trial-child-porn-charges-postpone...
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