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I had a little place bet on it at 9s on here,probably worth watching out for in coming months,no chance that Libran going off 12/1 could be as low as 7/1!
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Kennyman Heartsong tomorrow again probably dependant on the rain that's supposedly arriving tomorrow should be 4/1 tops if it arrives currently 7/1 sportsbook 13/2 skybet,totseport,betfred,victor lads.Happy trading.
This thread has taken a few twists and turns. Cue Blackadder joke...
One for you giggilo. Automotive 5.20 Brighton, 10/1 Fred and Coral. Expected SP 6/1.
Kennyman i've got three major firms traders contacting me most days asking me if their compliers are right,the beauty of it is now I can actually get some bets on!
Don't wabt to get any of them losing their jobs,but they asked me about scurr mist on Friday told them the 3/1 would be hammered into evens,i get up in the morning and several of the firms had pushed it out to 7/2,the trader was fuming with compiler as I'd already told hiom the 3s was huge!Going bto be doing a podcast for the aw season I think as well might be a daily summary of the aw racing,one of the firms is looking into it!
kenny mann
kenny mann
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One for you giggilo. Automotive 5.20 Brighton, 10/1 Fred and Coral. Expected SP 6/1.
Now only 13/2 Lads
I don't look at the weather pumpy, just the market. ;-)
kenny mann
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One for you giggilo. Automotive 5.20 Brighton, 10/1 Fred and Coral. Expected SP 6/1.
Now only 13/2 Lads
I don't look at the weather pumpy, just the market. ;-)
5.2I did tell you although drifted just before the off, tomorrows under siege 100/30 ppower can see this going off 6/4 13/8 happy trading!!
I did tell you although drifted just before the off, tomorrows under siege 100/30 ppower can see this going off 6/4 13/8 happy trading!!
Well more rain at Brighton before tomorrows so soft ground horses order of the day.
pp just refused my bet as expected.Thanks anyway Giggilo.
thegiggilo
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5.2CoolI did tell you although drifted just before the off, tomorrows under siege 100/30 ppower can see this going off 6/4 13/8 happy trading!!
Less said about that the better.
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5.2CoolI did tell you although drifted just before the off, tomorrows under siege 100/30 ppower can see this going off 6/4 13/8 happy trading!!
Less said about that the better.
Can't allow for desperate ground like that,i very rarely get them wrong on prices as you know probably 5 in a 100 max was a poor pick really transferring it Hamilton form to brighton like chalk and cheese..
Lads going 16/1 Tancred running there again tomorrow in same race,fantasy prices must be should be around 5/1 same grade...
Lads going 16/1 Tancred running there again tomorrow in same race,fantasy prices must be should be around 5/1 same grade...
The going didn't "officially" change from last night.
I sent it out to someone at 16s I couldn't get a bet on,don't know if they got anything on not much at that price anyway,the official going is a load of nonsense the races were slow by 6 seconds over 6fs and almost 10 seconds that last race.Be lucky if every race isn't a 4 horse race tomorrow at ,more rain forecast as well same at Chepstow absolutely bottomless waste of time for betting with all the rule 4s anyway..
That's why I put official in inverted commas. I know from old not totally reliable on Sp Life.
kenny mann 24 Aug 15 18:26
The going didn't "officially" change from last night.
With the turf when you get this type of weather, waves of rain coming through, if there is any soft in the going your only going to need three hours of rain to change the going drastically certainly at some tracks, but you are right the "official" gis often slow to change.
The going didn't "officially" change from last night.
With the turf when you get this type of weather, waves of rain coming through, if there is any soft in the going your only going to need three hours of rain to change the going drastically certainly at some tracks, but you are right the "official" gis often slow to change.
kenny mann 24 Aug 15 18:26
The going didn't "officially" change from last night.
With the turf when you get this type of weather, waves of rain coming through, if there is any soft in the going your only going to need three hours of rain to change the going drastically certainly at some tracks, but you are right the "official" gis often slow to change.
The going didn't "officially" change from last night.
With the turf when you get this type of weather, waves of rain coming through, if there is any soft in the going your only going to need three hours of rain to change the going drastically certainly at some tracks, but you are right the "official" gis often slow to change.
Last season jack dexter had the look of a horse maybe on slight decline but even that might be a bit unfair as has to run in the top class sprints on mainly ground he has little chance of winning,he's been one of my fav horses as I spotted and followed hom from day one when I put him on here.This season he has looked good as ever he's had 8 races finishing 4th to Astaire,nadir in group 3s then a third to glass office at York in a group 2, all on the wrong ground,then a 2nd to pearl secret in a group 2 over the wrong trip 7th of 18 in a group 1 at Newmarket races he should've been well beaten on fast ground but run unusually well.Last time out was in a handicap at goodwood off 109 again running well on gd/fm ground finishing 8th of 27 not beaten that far.
Taking prices at this point is speculative as it could turn out like last year again he ran well when finishing 8th in the gold cup but on wrong side his sp was 20/1,given if the ground had been gd/sft that day and drawn high I'm sure he would've been half that price at best,at the moment he is 20/1 with all books its worth taking the 20s now as if it turns up gd/sft on the day he will undoubtedly be a big gamble.The more you look at his form this season it would be hard not to see him figuring against horses that really are in the main exposed and a lot of them he has given a race on gd/fm this season like huntsmans close revelino etc,if ground turned soft he would be strong fav to turn form around with them.
There may yet be bigger prices over the next week,but you only have to see even on gd/fm the books have been returning his sps of 20/1 on ground he realistically shouldn't be running well on,he still looks the best horse in the race to me and he's actually a pound lower than last year and 2 pound lower than when he was 3rd in 2013.Hopefully the ground won't be gd/fm like last year,more encouragingly than ever was his run at York in the group 2 when runner up to glass office just good ground yet was nearest finish from way off the pace,so even if ground was just good I still could see him running well if the ground goes softish expect a massve gamble with fergal lynch who seems to be getting more out of him this season,personally I'm just going to keep backing him and hopefully lay a shedload off hopefully steal some bigger prices yet as well.
Of course if ground remains on fast side then he would be unlikely winner but that's the risk you take backing something that could easily be half the current price on the day,i actually think he would be even shorter but that's just a guess at present time!
Jack dexter Ayr gold cup 20/1 365,skybet,victor,ppower,corals,hills,sportsbook,betway..
Kennyman these are the sort of bets that can win you fortunes,you can get on now with loads of books might even go bigger yet as I said above if the ground isn't quick on the day he could go off any price as low as 10/1 personally I think if he gets ground and draw the gamble will be huge and he could go off 8-1..
Taking prices at this point is speculative as it could turn out like last year again he ran well when finishing 8th in the gold cup but on wrong side his sp was 20/1,given if the ground had been gd/sft that day and drawn high I'm sure he would've been half that price at best,at the moment he is 20/1 with all books its worth taking the 20s now as if it turns up gd/sft on the day he will undoubtedly be a big gamble.The more you look at his form this season it would be hard not to see him figuring against horses that really are in the main exposed and a lot of them he has given a race on gd/fm this season like huntsmans close revelino etc,if ground turned soft he would be strong fav to turn form around with them.
There may yet be bigger prices over the next week,but you only have to see even on gd/fm the books have been returning his sps of 20/1 on ground he realistically shouldn't be running well on,he still looks the best horse in the race to me and he's actually a pound lower than last year and 2 pound lower than when he was 3rd in 2013.Hopefully the ground won't be gd/fm like last year,more encouragingly than ever was his run at York in the group 2 when runner up to glass office just good ground yet was nearest finish from way off the pace,so even if ground was just good I still could see him running well if the ground goes softish expect a massve gamble with fergal lynch who seems to be getting more out of him this season,personally I'm just going to keep backing him and hopefully lay a shedload off hopefully steal some bigger prices yet as well.
Of course if ground remains on fast side then he would be unlikely winner but that's the risk you take backing something that could easily be half the current price on the day,i actually think he would be even shorter but that's just a guess at present time!
Jack dexter Ayr gold cup 20/1 365,skybet,victor,ppower,corals,hills,sportsbook,betway..
Kennyman these are the sort of bets that can win you fortunes,you can get on now with loads of books might even go bigger yet as I said above if the ground isn't quick on the day he could go off any price as low as 10/1 personally I think if he gets ground and draw the gamble will be huge and he could go off 8-1..
Cheers giggilo, can win you fortunes if you can get on and I have big problems, although there's always the shops. 
Plenty of time yet,look at for the books going 25s and run down the shop with the wheelbarrow(s)!
Some used to say backing anti post was just a bookies benefit.
Most punters bets are for the bookies benefit,backing something in a years time is a bit different to betting something that has very strong potential and value to trade a lot lower within a few weeks.Every year I bet on some of the 2yr old races at ascot and always get the value based on the speedfigures,backed air force blue at 14s and 16s even splashed it over a load of forums sp was 7/2 and looking back was now feel unfortunate it didn't win after the phoenix.I got double the price it's now currently fav for the guineas in the Coventry,that was what you call value..
Kennyman Twin point 12/1 365/skybet/totesport/betfred/victor/ppower/lads/hills these herrington horses usually turn into massive gambles if they have the form in the book,although I did notice this drifted at wetherby when touched off its haydock and wetherby run you could have this in at 7/1 tops.Should be well backed if trying,could turn into cracking trade you'll know by the afternoon as prices go quickly with this stable..
Morache music 10/1 ppower couldn't predict an sp but think it will be quite well backed as showed first bit of form this season and gets it's ground tomorrow...
9/1 with victor wouldn't take less than that if trading..
Just got 45 on with pp (2 accounts 25 and 20) they cut straight after 2nd bet.
Thanks giggs.
Thanks giggs.
Doing well on these drifted later but was out before racing!!
Tomorrow Humidor 8/1 corals 15/2 365 should shorten can't see many in there that will go on the ground,i'd expect him to go off around 5/1 tops...
Tomorrow Humidor 8/1 corals 15/2 365 should shorten can't see many in there that will go on the ground,i'd expect him to go off around 5/1 tops...
He always lays them off straight away,the only reason it drifted was because the going was wrong otherwise prices wouldv;'e held up as soon as the times came up after first race was obviously lot quicker going..
I did, pumpy, at about 7.8. Had to allow for the 10p r4.
Only made a tenner but paid for tonight's ale, cheers giggs.
The beauty of it at the moment I'm trying to create as many accounts as possible so I'd prefer it if they all drift late on,not easy trying to find shorteners that will drift late on and get beat..
Got £200 on Edge Of Love in 3.00 at 5/2 with Fred last night (in a shop) Has really been backed as my software suggested it would although we have a 10p r4. Was 3/1 Coral but couldn't avail myself of that.
Could you make a profit at SP giggilo
The rools..........
1 - You have to choose 1 horse each day. Winners will be returned at SP/Industry Prices and stake is 1 point. If no SP/Industry Price is returned winning selections will be settled as non-runners.
2 - All UK and Irish races are eligible along with the Dubai Festival and the Sunday Arc de Triomphe meet.
3 - Selections must be posted AT LEAST 1 hour before the scheduled start time of your selected race. Failure to comply will result in the selection being declared Invalid and treated as a Non Selection. See rule 8.
4 - Selections may be changed as long as it is at least 1hr prior to the scheduled start time of your original race OR if the selection is a NR or deemed invalid ( Rule 3 MUST still be adhered to).
5 - Rule 4 and Dead Heat rules will apply to SP/Industry Prices.
6 - Sunday selections will be optional unless it is the last day of the month. On optional Sundays there will be no deductions for non-posters and Rule 8 will not apply.
7 - LAST DAY RULES for the last day of the month : all selections must be made BY THE SCHEDULED OFF TIME OF THE FIRST RACE of the day, you can't choose a horse already selected by another competitor in the same division, and only named horses are allowed.
8 - On any day that a competitor does not post (excluding Sundays and final days) they will automatically revert to a possible maximum of 5 rest days per calendar month, which will be settled as a non-runner. However, once the total of non-posting days for a month reaches 5, further days when no selections are made in that month will be classed as a loser. You have the option of other napsters to post on your behalf for as long as required if you wish.
9 - Reserve selections will only be allowed to cover the possibility of a meeting being abandoned.
10 - In the event of a tie the person who has used least rest days will be deemed to finish above the person they have tied with.
11 - In the event of a major Betfair upgrade which may affect the ability to post on the Forum before racing starts that day will have Sunday rules applied (ie. no deduction for non-posters).
12 - Quite often, things can crop up that aren`t strictly covered by the above rules (grey areas) in these instances please abide by the individual settler`s decision/ruling.
The rools..........
1 - You have to choose 1 horse each day. Winners will be returned at SP/Industry Prices and stake is 1 point. If no SP/Industry Price is returned winning selections will be settled as non-runners.
2 - All UK and Irish races are eligible along with the Dubai Festival and the Sunday Arc de Triomphe meet.
3 - Selections must be posted AT LEAST 1 hour before the scheduled start time of your selected race. Failure to comply will result in the selection being declared Invalid and treated as a Non Selection. See rule 8.
4 - Selections may be changed as long as it is at least 1hr prior to the scheduled start time of your original race OR if the selection is a NR or deemed invalid ( Rule 3 MUST still be adhered to).
5 - Rule 4 and Dead Heat rules will apply to SP/Industry Prices.
6 - Sunday selections will be optional unless it is the last day of the month. On optional Sundays there will be no deductions for non-posters and Rule 8 will not apply.
7 - LAST DAY RULES for the last day of the month : all selections must be made BY THE SCHEDULED OFF TIME OF THE FIRST RACE of the day, you can't choose a horse already selected by another competitor in the same division, and only named horses are allowed.
8 - On any day that a competitor does not post (excluding Sundays and final days) they will automatically revert to a possible maximum of 5 rest days per calendar month, which will be settled as a non-runner. However, once the total of non-posting days for a month reaches 5, further days when no selections are made in that month will be classed as a loser. You have the option of other napsters to post on your behalf for as long as required if you wish.
9 - Reserve selections will only be allowed to cover the possibility of a meeting being abandoned.
10 - In the event of a tie the person who has used least rest days will be deemed to finish above the person they have tied with.
11 - In the event of a major Betfair upgrade which may affect the ability to post on the Forum before racing starts that day will have Sunday rules applied (ie. no deduction for non-posters).
12 - Quite often, things can crop up that aren`t strictly covered by the above rules (grey areas) in these instances please abide by the individual settler`s decision/ruling.
Have sent thousands of bets out via email and always shown profit and on the forums I posted on the results are still there to see an average year would be 100+ points profit I would call that poor for me but can't guarantee anything at sp as it depends how many winners you can back that actually don't get bet or drift.
There was an interesting runner tomorrow but got laughable jockey on Ivors inviolvement 9/1 hills looks chucked in
but rhian ingram rides and 1 winner from 100 rides,so realistically you ain't going to win,can't let 9/1 go though any of the other jocks on would've been 3/1.Trouble is if trading you can't guarantee it shortening much with her riding it,as bad as Victoria Pendleton...
There was an interesting runner tomorrow but got laughable jockey on Ivors inviolvement 9/1 hills looks chucked in
but rhian ingram rides and 1 winner from 100 rides,so realistically you ain't going to win,can't let 9/1 go though any of the other jocks on would've been 3/1.Trouble is if trading you can't guarantee it shortening much with her riding it,as bad as Victoria Pendleton...
10/1 with 365 huge price be interesting to see if punters will risk backing her..
thegiggilo 02 Sep 15 17:21
Have sent thousands of bets out via email and always shown profit and on the forums I posted on the results are still there to see an average year would be 100+ points profit I would call that poor for me.
We are not talking about loads of bets on one day, you may fancy nothing one day & eight horses the next, what Kenny put up was picking ONE horse a day Sunday optional with up to five extra days off a month if you wish.
You may well be having a winning month but be behind on the comp, but we would never know how you do unless you took part, sending out plenty of winners in e - mails would not guarantee you success in the comp, you may have five winners in a day but if you sent over fifteen selections chances are your nap would not be one of them, saying you would be disappointed not to be 100 points up in a year in this comp is a bit over the top there are over 120 people playing at the moment & no-one is winning over 100 points at sp on a rolling year & there are some really decent tipsters on there.
Have sent thousands of bets out via email and always shown profit and on the forums I posted on the results are still there to see an average year would be 100+ points profit I would call that poor for me.
We are not talking about loads of bets on one day, you may fancy nothing one day & eight horses the next, what Kenny put up was picking ONE horse a day Sunday optional with up to five extra days off a month if you wish.
You may well be having a winning month but be behind on the comp, but we would never know how you do unless you took part, sending out plenty of winners in e - mails would not guarantee you success in the comp, you may have five winners in a day but if you sent over fifteen selections chances are your nap would not be one of them, saying you would be disappointed not to be 100 points up in a year in this comp is a bit over the top there are over 120 people playing at the moment & no-one is winning over 100 points at sp on a rolling year & there are some really decent tipsters on there.
Wasn't on about any competition don't even know what you're talking about I'm on about an average yearly figure for my picks,would put it nearer 200 points anyway plus multiples on top at sp.I'm sure anyone could beat me having 1 pick aday i wouldn't even bet if i could only have one bet aday,infact a large majority of my income comes from multiple winners on multiple bets,even my 3yr old could beat me with a pin in the paper with luck quite easily.
It was just Kenny put up the rules for a betfair comp then you came back with the thousands of bets etc, I thought you may have asked him what it was all about, your obviously not interested which is fair enough, though it would have been interesting to Kenny & myself to see how you got on.
giggilo was 20/1 to take that challenge, pumpy.
Fair play, he's good, much better than me,but I'd back you in an SP challenge over a year.
Fair play, he's good, much better than me,but I'd back you in an SP challenge over a year.
Kenny everyone bets in a different way, me if I have had a study up I may back between one & four horses a day, Gigs will go through a card & may well pick two or three from a race & do that in six races, maybe its more for a placepot or multiple bets but by picking 3x3x3x3x2x2 horses at a meeting doing many yankees or lucky 15's or any sort of multiple like that you would have to have to be very lucky to find four out of four unless you did dozens & dozens of individual yankees.
2x2x2x2x2x2 to cover 2 selections in each race & go through a six race card doing yankees would be 72x15 which is 1080 bets, too many to be covering every possibility I would have thought.
2x2x2x2x2x2 to cover 2 selections in each race & go through a six race card doing yankees would be 72x15 which is 1080 bets, too many to be covering every possibility I would have thought.
The reason i get these multiples up,is pure and simple i have the game by the balls already this year had 3 10,000/1 accas up not even put up by me but traders fronm 2 different firms,their words the best they've ever seen by mile.
I don't do these crazy perms i have 4 maybe 8 multiple max and most of the time just 5/6 picks in a multi,it;s the ricks that make the bets if firms are putting up 12/1 shots that i know will be 3/1 and i see 4 of them on a given day,then I've got hem by the cahoonas and this has happened with regularity since i first started betting as they are completely clueless it's only a matter of time before another goes in.
I don't do these crazy perms i have 4 maybe 8 multiple max and most of the time just 5/6 picks in a multi,it;s the ricks that make the bets if firms are putting up 12/1 shots that i know will be 3/1 and i see 4 of them on a given day,then I've got hem by the cahoonas and this has happened with regularity since i first started betting as they are completely clueless it's only a matter of time before another goes in.
So your saying your multiple wins are other peoples selections, nothing wrong with that, but you must give these people your selections, doesn't take much for horses to get cut, judges I know have a lot of trouble getting on & I would have thought that would apply to basically anyone in the know.
It should say not even put on by me,the traders are putting on for me i can't get bets on anymore,i havn't backed another persons picks in 25 years since i was putting on for steve gough.
Also I wouldn't worry about Rhiain Ingram, I backed Encapsulated when she won on it to gain her first winner & yes she rode a really good race, she had 99 losers before that but she gets 5lb against other apprentices so the horse now runs off a lower mark than when winning in May so the horse is well handicapped.
thegiggilo
02 Sep 15 17:21
Have sent thousands of bets out via email and always shown profit and on the forums I posted on the results are still there to see an average year would be 100+ points profit I would call that poor for me but can't guarantee anything at sp as it depends how many winners you can back that actually don't get bet or drift.
There was an interesting runner tomorrow but got laughable jockey on Ivors inviolvement 9/1 hills looks chucked in
but rhian ingram rides and 1 winner from 100 rides,so realistically you ain't going to win,can't let 9/1 go though any of the other jocks on would've been 3/1.Trouble is if trading you can't guarantee it shortening much with her riding it,as bad as Victoria Pendleton
Amd that's why I am the!!!DADDY!!!
02 Sep 15 17:21
Have sent thousands of bets out via email and always shown profit and on the forums I posted on the results are still there to see an average year would be 100+ points profit I would call that poor for me but can't guarantee anything at sp as it depends how many winners you can back that actually don't get bet or drift.
There was an interesting runner tomorrow but got laughable jockey on Ivors inviolvement 9/1 hills looks chucked in
but rhian ingram rides and 1 winner from 100 rides,so realistically you ain't going to win,can't let 9/1 go though any of the other jocks on would've been 3/1.Trouble is if trading you can't guarantee it shortening much with her riding it,as bad as Victoria Pendleton
Amd that's why I am the!!!
DADDY!!!
Very good gigs, though you totally dismissed the jockey which seemed to have put you off enough to have a much smaller bet than if it had a better jockey on board.
I had more on than I normally would,as knew it would go off around 5/1 £800ew around 8/1 average is my max bet at that price covered it with a another 1500 which I laid off at at just over that price absolute touch.My last email last night was get on as much as you can all the way down to 6/1 so worked out perfect,just a pity didn't let the lot run...
Well you did have doubts about the jockey, so if you did who wouldn't lay off.
To be honest its not a race I looked at until you put it up & with the claim saw it was the best handicapped horse in the race, had some 8/1, cheers.
It wasn't really the mark I was going on more the horsdes in behind and the time at notts which made it look thrown in,that's the beauty about those amateur races or more obscure races you're more likely to get some crazy ricks..Glad you had a bet,i needed the ducking styool in ew multiple ashame would've had monster bet running on..
Ouch, do you have one in the 8.45, that race was my only other bet today.
The question is. Can you make a profit at Betfair SP,giggilo?
Forgot all about this thread, some great fantasy Island stuff put up a year ago 
Make your mind up. You called him a nobhead earlier. Or did you mean an entertaining nobhead?
Did I?
must have been when I was going through a rough patch. I'm out the other side now... sorry Glimmer, you da man
must have been when I was going through a rough patch. I'm out the other side now... sorry Glimmer, you da man
Dear lord, it's the fact that canny thought, quite rightly, that SEEDGIRL was a right nobhead. But then found out that SEEDGIRL was infact a longstanding forumite who was a 'mate',so SEEDGIRL wasn't a tool at all, but one of the forum's legends.
All rather sad.
Goodnight.
All rather sad.
Goodnight.
crags hasn't TTT this for a while. Oh, he can't can he? lol
Clungehungry
02 Jul 11 13:05
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This whole thread reads like some Dad's Army Xmas Special where Mainwairing agrees to play widow twanky in the panto, forgets to tell Jones who gets angry at the lady using the gents, chaos ensues, before the Warden comes in an everyone remembers who the real bell-end is.
sparky sadly missed, great post.
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This whole thread reads like some Dad's Army Xmas Special where Mainwairing agrees to play widow twanky in the panto, forgets to tell Jones who gets angry at the lady using the gents, chaos ensues, before the Warden comes in an everyone remembers who the real bell-end is.
sparky sadly missed, great post.
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