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if he was, presumably the paedophile has served his sentence and deserves a second chance.
if someone wants to be mates with a convicted kiddie fiddler i'd prefer they did it spending their own money, in their own time, and not under the banner of UK Trade Ambassador.
If he was ordinary joe blow, he'd be sacked already.
An over privileged human being,elevated to God like status for no explicable reason other than an accident of birth
no more brave than other people i personally know who were there.
im afraid prince andrews helicopter never left the palace kenny
his valet took his place in the falklands
his valet took his place in the falklands
as i said earlier he came under heavy fire in the Falklands so is twice the man you'll ever be. he's associated with a paedophile who presumably has served his sentence and is entitled to a fresh start. big deal.
the paedophile has served his sentence and deserves a second chance.
Are you serious kenny, a second chance to do what exactly?
Andrew is all that is wrong with the Windsors, him and that idiot brother of his Edward. WTF do they actually do? It's long been a mystery to me I have to say.
Are you serious kenny, a second chance to do what exactly?
Andrew is all that is wrong with the Windsors, him and that idiot brother of his Edward. WTF do they actually do? It's long been a mystery to me I have to say.
mike yarwood stood in for price charles in the navy ffs
royals don't do wars
royals don't do wars
Apart from ride the gravy train that is obviously, I detest them.
he came under heavy fire in the Falklands so is twice the man you'll ever be
thats quite a presumptous statement.
thats quite a presumptous statement.
I like you're thinking kenny. anyone who has faced an armed enemy is henceforth absolved of all responsibility of future actions.
i'll read the story later on if i can find it. of course he came under fire. there's plenty of photographic evidence. you lot, and me would siht yourselves if you had to go through what he did in '82.
the nearest he came to fire was when he ordered a footman to throw another log on
Look lets stop arguing and look forward to the wonderful Royal Wedding,William is a better helicopter pilot as well .
i have not disputed what you said. i merely asked for you to explain the relevance between coming under fire and it being acceptable to be conducting social and/or commercial business with a convicted paedophile.
the relevance is that he deserves some respect and the paedophile has presumably served his sentence. some people are hard work.
From The Guardian :
Ministers have been alarmed by the prince's links with Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire US financier who served a prison sentence for soliciting an underage girl for prostitution. The Mail on Sunday reported that the FBI is to reopen its investigation into Epstein over allegations of his involvement with underage girls.
A picture was released last week of the prince with his arm round Virginia Roberts, then aged 17, who claims she was sexually exploited by Epstein and his friends. The teenager said she met the prince who allegedly enjoyed regular massages at Epstein's home.
Saw the film Taken at the weekend...hmmmm....
Ministers have been alarmed by the prince's links with Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire US financier who served a prison sentence for soliciting an underage girl for prostitution. The Mail on Sunday reported that the FBI is to reopen its investigation into Epstein over allegations of his involvement with underage girls.
A picture was released last week of the prince with his arm round Virginia Roberts, then aged 17, who claims she was sexually exploited by Epstein and his friends. The teenager said she met the prince who allegedly enjoyed regular massages at Epstein's home.
Saw the film Taken at the weekend...hmmmm....
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original story is quite old, has Andy been visiting his pal after hes come out of jail?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-483401/Prince-Andrews-friend-Ghislaine-Maxwell-underage-girls-disturbing-story.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-483401/Prince-Andrews-friend-Ghislaine-Maxwell-underage-girls-disturbing-story.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein
In March 2005, a woman contacted Palm Beach police, concerned that her 14-year-old step daughter had been taken to Epstein’s mansion by an older girl and paid $300 after stripping to her knickers and massaging the man while he masturbated. She had told him that she was 18 years old. She undressed but had left on her underwear. By 2011 at least 40 girls aged 13 to 17 had come forward with similar stories, some saying Epstein sexually assaulted them during the massage.
On February 6, 2008, an anonymous Virginia woman filed a $50 million civil lawsuit in federal court against Epstein, alleging that when she was a 16-year-old minor in 2004-2005, she was "recruited to give Epstein a massage." After being brought to his Palm Beach mansion, she claims that he exposed himself and had sexual intercourse with her, and paid her $200 immediately afterward. A similar $50 million suit was filed by a different woman in March 2008 who was represented by the same lawyer. Several of these lawsuits were dismissed and all other lawsuits were settled out of court. He has so far made 17 out-of-court settlements, and some cases are ongoing.
In March 2005, a woman contacted Palm Beach police, concerned that her 14-year-old step daughter had been taken to Epstein’s mansion by an older girl and paid $300 after stripping to her knickers and massaging the man while he masturbated. She had told him that she was 18 years old. She undressed but had left on her underwear. By 2011 at least 40 girls aged 13 to 17 had come forward with similar stories, some saying Epstein sexually assaulted them during the massage.
On February 6, 2008, an anonymous Virginia woman filed a $50 million civil lawsuit in federal court against Epstein, alleging that when she was a 16-year-old minor in 2004-2005, she was "recruited to give Epstein a massage." After being brought to his Palm Beach mansion, she claims that he exposed himself and had sexual intercourse with her, and paid her $200 immediately afterward. A similar $50 million suit was filed by a different woman in March 2008 who was represented by the same lawyer. Several of these lawsuits were dismissed and all other lawsuits were settled out of court. He has so far made 17 out-of-court settlements, and some cases are ongoing.
. http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/opinionzone/2010/07/20/3619/
Fairness for Epstein?
Jeffrey Epstein’s year-long probation ends today. Epstein’s punishment didn’t fit his crimes, but that hasn’t stopped the billionaire money manager who paid teenage girls for sex and massages at his Palm Beach mansion from complaining.
Epstein whined to probation officers about the restrictions of his sentence. Yeah, he had it tough. During the first four months of this year, Epstein traveled nearly every week to his home in New York City or his private Caribbean island — with the approval of his probation officers. During the 13 months he served of his 18-month sentence — in the Palm Beach County Jail instead of state prison, where inmates with such sentences usually go — Epstein was let out on weekdays and some weekends as part of a work-release program.
Epstein’s soft time flowed from his soft treatment by state and federal law enforcement officials after Palm Beach police first turned his case over to former State Attorney Barry Krischer in 2006.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office and the FBI investigated after allegations that Mr. Krischer’s office wasn’t doing enough. Instead of filing charges that would have led to more prison time, federal officials struck an unusual, secret non-prosecution agreement in which Epstein would plead guilty to the state charges, register as a sex offender and serve the 18 months.
Spencer Kuvin, the attorney for the woman who was 14 when she first gave Epstein a sexually charged massage, said of his client, now 20, “Both the criminal process and the civil process just really disgusted her. She felt that he didn’t receive anywhere near the punishment he should have received.” His client, along with about two dozen others, reached a confidential settlement with Epstein.
Fairness for Epstein?
Jeffrey Epstein’s year-long probation ends today. Epstein’s punishment didn’t fit his crimes, but that hasn’t stopped the billionaire money manager who paid teenage girls for sex and massages at his Palm Beach mansion from complaining.
Epstein whined to probation officers about the restrictions of his sentence. Yeah, he had it tough. During the first four months of this year, Epstein traveled nearly every week to his home in New York City or his private Caribbean island — with the approval of his probation officers. During the 13 months he served of his 18-month sentence — in the Palm Beach County Jail instead of state prison, where inmates with such sentences usually go — Epstein was let out on weekdays and some weekends as part of a work-release program.
Epstein’s soft time flowed from his soft treatment by state and federal law enforcement officials after Palm Beach police first turned his case over to former State Attorney Barry Krischer in 2006.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office and the FBI investigated after allegations that Mr. Krischer’s office wasn’t doing enough. Instead of filing charges that would have led to more prison time, federal officials struck an unusual, secret non-prosecution agreement in which Epstein would plead guilty to the state charges, register as a sex offender and serve the 18 months.
Spencer Kuvin, the attorney for the woman who was 14 when she first gave Epstein a sexually charged massage, said of his client, now 20, “Both the criminal process and the civil process just really disgusted her. She felt that he didn’t receive anywhere near the punishment he should have received.” His client, along with about two dozen others, reached a confidential settlement with Epstein.
Civil lawsuitsAn unusual part of Epstein's ‘plea bargain’ with prosecutors was that Epstein’s alleged victims were allowed to bring civil proceedings against him.[14]
On February 6, 2008, an anonymous Virginia woman filed a $50 million civil lawsuit[15] in federal court against Epstein, alleging that when she was a 16-year-old minor in 2004-2005, she was "recruited to give Epstein a massage." After being brought to his Palm Beach mansion, she claims that he exposed himself and had sexual intercourse with her, and paid her $200 immediately afterward.[13] A similar $50 million suit was filed by a different woman in March 2008 who was represented by the same lawyer.[16] Several of these lawsuits were dismissed and all other lawsuits were settled out of court. [17] He has so far made 17 out-of-court settlements, and some cases are ongoing.[14]
Looks like some of these girls might make a bit of money out of it at least. wander what the payouts are.
On February 6, 2008, an anonymous Virginia woman filed a $50 million civil lawsuit[15] in federal court against Epstein, alleging that when she was a 16-year-old minor in 2004-2005, she was "recruited to give Epstein a massage." After being brought to his Palm Beach mansion, she claims that he exposed himself and had sexual intercourse with her, and paid her $200 immediately afterward.[13] A similar $50 million suit was filed by a different woman in March 2008 who was represented by the same lawyer.[16] Several of these lawsuits were dismissed and all other lawsuits were settled out of court. [17] He has so far made 17 out-of-court settlements, and some cases are ongoing.[14]
Looks like some of these girls might make a bit of money out of it at least. wander what the payouts are.
i like the ideas of pedos being given a second chance....it is usually a second chance to reoffend! 
Ann Boleyn was executed for the "crime" of failing to produce a son (produced Elizabeth I instead) ....this parasite gets the full backing of Cameroon !!!!! should be cut up in small pieces and fed to the ravens at the Tower.
Cameron,Haigh and the cabinet continue to display a complete lack of integrity,intelligence and common sense. They are mind boggling inept.
Recent 'episodes':-
proposal of fly zone,
rescue of brits from Libya
the SAS in helicoptor 'visit'
Prince Anderew farce
Recent 'episodes':-
proposal of fly zone,
rescue of brits from Libya
the SAS in helicoptor 'visit'
Prince Anderew farce
Is it just me, or do the media keep referring to Epstein as a "sex offender" rather than the more descriptive "convicted paedophile" which i suspect they would use if it was some pop star involved and not HRL the DoY.
He was just on the news, what a complete and utter berkley that bloke is. I hate him.
Why, would someone buy a house for several million pounds more than the market rate and then, as our exclusive photographs show, leave it to rot?
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1153465/The-fall-house-York-Why-mansion-sold-Duke-mystery-15m-deal-gone-ruin.html
Sack the lot
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1153465/The-fall-house-York-Why-mansion-sold-Duke-mystery-15m-deal-gone-ruin.html
Sack the lot
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Ann Boleyn was executed for the "crime" of failing to produce a son (produced Elizabeth I instead) ....this parasite gets the full backing of Cameroon !!!!! should be cut up in small pieces and fed to the ravens at the Tower.
She was actually executed for being caught red handed rogering a court toady,but still.
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Ann Boleyn was executed for the "crime" of failing to produce a son (produced Elizabeth I instead) ....this parasite gets the full backing of Cameroon !!!!! should be cut up in small pieces and fed to the ravens at the Tower.
She was actually executed for being caught red handed rogering a court toady,but still.
This doesn't excuse the slug that is Prince Andrew,he really should not be on the bleedin civil list,i'd always presumed he was a multi millionaire in his won right with all his "fronting" on international deals and showing up at arab parties and the like?
Probs w@nks the host off if you throw in another monkey as well.
Probs w@nks the host off if you throw in another monkey as well.
they've all had the best start our money can buy.
let each family unit get to pick one house, give them that and cut them all loose.
let each family unit get to pick one house, give them that and cut them all loose.
they can get their own houses no reason for a give away a good house to trash
sucking fergies toes seems to have gone to his head [:p] [smiley:crazy]
thats one way of sealing the deal,was it jimmy choo
I'm standing to at-ten-shun when I say Prince Andrew is absolute f****** c*** . He has,and always will let the royal family down.
I realise my chances of an royal 'honour' are slim and that by making that controversial statement even slimmer. However, I still think he is a c*** .
However, I still believe in the royal family and I genuinely have great admiration for the Queen and HRH Prince Philip. What a class lady she is.
Harry and William are the new royals. They know the score - do your job first (royal duties)...then have some fun - not the other way around.
I realise my chances of an royal 'honour' are slim and that by making that controversial statement even slimmer. However, I still think he is a c*** .
However, I still believe in the royal family and I genuinely have great admiration for the Queen and HRH Prince Philip. What a class lady she is.
Harry and William are the new royals. They know the score - do your job first (royal duties)...then have some fun - not the other way around.
This thread from March 2011
The writing was on the wall then !
The writing was on the wall then !
You would have thought someone would have washed it off by now then !
The way the Daily Mail is going at this means the Royal Family have no power to stop the story or don't want to.
andrew said live on bbc--golfers should finish on 13th hole to speed up the game
I LIKED FERGI EVEN THOUGH I THINK SHES GOT A DRINK PROBLEM
SHES THE KIND OF NAUGHTY GIRL THAT I USED TO LIKE
" Prince Andrew is absolute f****** c*** . He has,and always will let the royal family down."
Yes, him and Fergie did a pretty good job of that !!!
Yes, him and Fergie did a pretty good job of that !!!
sorry I missed out the third parties ....
include in the list the tampax our significant Prince wanted to be.
include in the list the tampax our significant Prince wanted to be.
Isn`t Andrews father supposed to be the leather clad/bondage/ gimp character at the high end sex parties that infested the high society gatherings back in the day?
Wasn`t a D-Notice stamped to avoid this coming out? oh dear the men in black are walking up my drive.
Wasn`t a D-Notice stamped to avoid this coming out? oh dear the men in black are walking up my drive.
he was known as randy andy i think girl telling the truth about andy
he's just missed this year's New Year's honours - but in June it's got to be ...
"arise, Sir Andrew" and a job at the BBC.
"arise, Sir Andrew" and a job at the BBC.
hes the same as his dad the papers know the storys about his dad but dare not print
Do you think any defence could be made for believing the girls were of legal age? I'm not saying that this is my opinion, just asking the question.
If he shagged a bird of 17, good luck to him.
I have.
I'd be more concerned about the millions of men who prefer complete 'shaven havens'
Paedophilia - an attraction to pre-pubescent girls...
I have.
I'd be more concerned about the millions of men who prefer complete 'shaven havens'
Paedophilia - an attraction to pre-pubescent girls...
Taxi is of course the voice of reason here, there is no paedophilia here, just a randy Prince and a 17 year old call girl, who has decided she was pressured into something she did not desire.
If a girl of under 18 in USA is groomed to prostitute herself then it is classed as rape in USA.
You must abide by the laws of the country you are in.
There may be more to this that has not been revealed yet.
You must abide by the laws of the country you are in.
There may be more to this that has not been revealed yet.
It is all so unfair, because as a member of the Royal Family, Prince Andrew may not reply directly.
Unless you try this avenue:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1280744/Sarah-Fergusons-500k-cash-access-scandal-Fergie-tries-brave-face.html
Unless you try this avenue:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1280744/Sarah-Fergusons-500k-cash-access-scandal-Fergie-tries-brave-face.html
The Leopard 03 Jan 15 19:43
If a girl of under 18 in USA is groomed to prostitute herself then it is classed as rape in USA.
You must abide by the laws of the country you are in.
There may be more to this that has not been revealed yet.
Some mugs on here are not so bothered about the application of the law when it concerns the old dear's offspring.
The age of deference is still very much alive with some folk.
If a girl of under 18 in USA is groomed to prostitute herself then it is classed as rape in USA.
You must abide by the laws of the country you are in.
There may be more to this that has not been revealed yet.
Some mugs on here are not so bothered about the application of the law when it concerns the old dear's offspring.
The age of deference is still very much alive with some folk.
I find it hard to believe, unless he's a complete idiot (which he isn't), he'd ever get involved in something so openly likely to come back and bite him on the arse as a bl**dy orgy like this story.
A little private affair, yes I'd believe that. This, no.
A little private affair, yes I'd believe that. This, no.
old "friend" might have videoed the lot with secret cameras
Philip - rumours
Charles - one at a time ?
Andrew - allegations denied
Anne - divorced
Edward - ??
William - move on .. nothing to see here
Harry - naked frolicking - filmed
Zara - must have done something
Charles - one at a time ?
Andrew - allegations denied
Anne - divorced
Edward - ??
William - move on .. nothing to see here
Harry - naked frolicking - filmed
Zara - must have done something
Emden you rarely hear of Andrew up here in Scotland.
I'm sure Emdem's grateful for that news akabula.
Meanwhile, I'm sure you'd LOVE to hear more about one of your liege lords "up here". Just keep your eyes on your fav tabloids.
I'm sure Emdem's grateful for that news akabula.
Meanwhile, I'm sure you'd LOVE to hear more about one of your liege lords "up here". Just keep your eyes on your fav tabloids.
it said on Radio 5 last night that the Palace legal team will have grilled Andrew to make sure 100% there was no truth to the story, the palace would not have released any statements about the subject unless they were sure of his innocence
Put him on The Jeremy Kyle Show and let him do their lie detector test.
the palace would not have released any statements about the subject unless they were sure of his innocence
Or they think that no more evidence is likely to come out to strengthen what is already known.
Or they think that no more evidence is likely to come out to strengthen what is already known.
This is all about damage limitation to the royal family.
The stories of the royal families sex lives have been floating about on alternative media for years, so this story is nothing new to some of us.
IMO, this has only come out now because Andrew is being blackmailed, proberley by Mossad.
What we do know for certain, is Andrew will not see the inside of a court. There will be a massive psive PR on his part. Epstein will take the fall for this or have a convenient heart attack, whilst Ghislaine Maxwell will not doubt suffer the same fate as her Mossad controlled father. She should be questioned immediately by the authorities and shown live on tv.
Btw, I'm not a royalist, and believe the Russians had the right idea when it comes to these parasites.
The stories of the royal families sex lives have been floating about on alternative media for years, so this story is nothing new to some of us.
IMO, this has only come out now because Andrew is being blackmailed, proberley by Mossad.
What we do know for certain, is Andrew will not see the inside of a court. There will be a massive psive PR on his part. Epstein will take the fall for this or have a convenient heart attack, whilst Ghislaine Maxwell will not doubt suffer the same fate as her Mossad controlled father. She should be questioned immediately by the authorities and shown live on tv.
Btw, I'm not a royalist, and believe the Russians had the right idea when it comes to these parasites.
Whatever the law in the US I doubt he will be extradited for something which would not be an offence in this country. Turkey has been trying to get hold of his ex-wife for years but have no chance as the offence is not recognised here. If it was non-consensual that would be a different matter but at the moment all that has happened is that he has been named as part of a CIVIL case brought against Epstein not him. It does appear Andrew is not a very nice piece of work and I am certainly no royalist,but at the moment there is not much in this imo.
Wasn't Sir Jimmy Savile a friend of the royal family?
No, not Barb and Jim - the other, less attractive family.
Just saying.
No, not Barb and Jim - the other, less attractive family.
Just saying.
Palace legal team will have grilled Andrew to make sure 100% there was no truth to the story
like Andy is going to admit,he was at an orgy
why was he Central Park with guy AFTER he was convicted of being a pedo
like Andy is going to admit,he was at an orgy
why was he Central Park with guy AFTER he was convicted of being a pedo
Btw, I'm not a royalist, and believe the Russians had the right idea when it comes to these parasites.
"Btw, I'm not a royalist, and believe the Russians had the right idea when it comes to these parasites."
What, he believes in shooting children because they are a bit posh?
"floating about on alternative media for years, so this story is nothing new to some of us."
Yes because things posted on the internetz are the REAL truth.
Snipping the rest of the wide eyed mentalist conspiracy nut foil hat paranoia. The internet is quite the thing for revealing how many people there are, who appear mentally ill, like twonky, there are amongst us..
What, he believes in shooting children because they are a bit posh?
"floating about on alternative media for years, so this story is nothing new to some of us."
Yes because things posted on the internetz are the REAL truth.
Snipping the rest of the wide eyed mentalist conspiracy nut foil hat paranoia. The internet is quite the thing for revealing how many people there are, who appear mentally ill, like twonky, there are amongst us..
has the Palace denied he has had sex with Virginia Roberts?
The palace should release a statement saying it was a case of mistaken identity and it was Edward, not Andrew. That way they could kill two birds with one stone so to speak.
Btw, I'm not a royalist, and believe the Russians had the right idea when it comes to these parasites.
Right! But we need to give some kudos to the French, that's where the Russians got the idea!
Right! But we need to give some kudos to the French, that's where the Russians got the idea!
would you hang around with someone who you knew was a convicted paedo??
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
Alias
Emden you rarely hear of Andrew up here in Scotland.
I'm sure Emdem's grateful for that news akabula.Laugh
Meanwhile, I'm sure you'd LOVE to hear more about one of your liege lords "up here". Just keep your eyes on your fav tabloids.
Still seething I see.
Yer a wee sweetie wife wae awe yer gossip.
Emden you rarely hear of Andrew up here in Scotland.
I'm sure Emdem's grateful for that news akabula.Laugh
Meanwhile, I'm sure you'd LOVE to hear more about one of your liege lords "up here". Just keep your eyes on your fav tabloids.
Still seething I see.
Yer a wee sweetie wife wae awe yer gossip.
salmon spray
Whatever the law in the US I doubt he will be extradited for something which would not be an offence in this country. Turkey has been trying to get hold of his ex-wife for years but have no chance as the offence is not recognised here. If it was non-consensual that would be a different matter but at the moment all that has happened is that he has been named as part of a CIVIL case brought against Epstein not him. It does appear Andrew is not a very nice piece of work and I am certainly no royalist,but at the moment there is not much in this imo.
This was the case where she was part of a team that secretly filmed the appalling conditions in a Turkish Orphanage.
Children sedated and chained to their beds for example.
It wasn't a case that 'the crime isn't recognised here' but more that the foreign office refused to extradite her because no crime had been committed.
Whatever the law in the US I doubt he will be extradited for something which would not be an offence in this country. Turkey has been trying to get hold of his ex-wife for years but have no chance as the offence is not recognised here. If it was non-consensual that would be a different matter but at the moment all that has happened is that he has been named as part of a CIVIL case brought against Epstein not him. It does appear Andrew is not a very nice piece of work and I am certainly no royalist,but at the moment there is not much in this imo.
This was the case where she was part of a team that secretly filmed the appalling conditions in a Turkish Orphanage.
Children sedated and chained to their beds for example.
It wasn't a case that 'the crime isn't recognised here' but more that the foreign office refused to extradite her because no crime had been committed.
Put him on The Jeremy Kyle Show and let him do their lie detector test.
Stick harry on same programme for DNA test 30 million viewers imo
Stick harry on same programme for DNA test 30 million viewers imo
Harry looks fek all like Hewitt and takes his looks of Diana's side of the family.
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