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amazed there were so few
judging by media reports you'd think there were thousands and the country was in a state of anarchy
judging by media reports you'd think there were thousands and the country was in a state of anarchy
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there are probably quite a few not on the tally as well
dont think there were 64 when i was a kid.....i assume many manslaughter cases arnt included ...which are in effect murders.....so add few hundred more.......+medical science probably saved a few hundred as well..........
tell the 648 families ,there were so few canary you tw@t
no idea why i'd want to do that lol
but cheers for the advice
but cheers for the advice
in america there was 2 million
so 648 against 2 million can't be bad!
so 648 against 2 million can't be bad!
strange childhood crediter - memorising numbers of murders. However I agree with you - defo not 64.
where on earth did he get a figure of 2 million from? it is so obviously way over the top you'd have thought he would have questioned it.
i simply lied
however
murder rate per 100,000
for usa is 5.4
and for uk it's 2.03
so 1620 people were murdered in usa last year
however
murder rate per 100,000
for usa is 5.4
and for uk it's 2.03
so 1620 people were murdered in usa last year
Turkey is 6.23 per 100,000
more interestingly is
for Scotland it's 2.13
for England and Wales it's 1.37
more interestingly is
for Scotland it's 2.13
for England and Wales it's 1.37
2 million is nearly 1% of the population, within 50 years they would be nearly wiped out!
that's ok, it made me chuckle, was it wishful thinking?
well to be honest, I was merely emphasizing the fact that America has such a high rate for a civilized country
doesn't matter
but America is the first "civilized" country on the list for murder rates, is it because guns are legalised?
but America is the first "civilized" country on the list for murder rates, is it because guns are legalised?
quite right munch man, perhaps I'll apply one day ;)
partly because of guns are partly because certain areas are poverty stricken and partly because of many other things
munchman, i'm not looking to get into a political discussion if you were a tory
can I ask who you vote for? if you do
can I ask who you vote for? if you do
the time before last I voted labour, the last time I didn't vote at all, next time I'm voting tory. the truth is, I hate them all and think they're all greedy shysters.
you sure the tory's aren't going to make it worse?
yes, it can't be worse as far as i'm concerned, the country has gone to the dogs. i'm disgusted with the labour government that i once voted for.
no, im not sure of course. but i'm an old man and i have never before seen such greed, incompetence, wastefulness and a complete lack of morals. these last two years of browns premiership have been abysmal and i haven't agreed with a single thing he has done. in fact i would go as far to say that i think he has gone mad.
ok, i'll leave it at that, as I said before, I didn't really fancy a political discussion tonight
so sorry if you replied the last comment because I asked
so sorry if you replied the last comment because I asked
how many people could have been lifted out of poverty if two trillion quid hadn't been**ed down the drain? i don't buy into all this 'started in america' or global banking crisis' nonsense. he was at the helm to look after our interests and the deregulation policies he championed together with bankers greed has caused all this mess imo.
i didn't agree with the 200 billion of QE either. and the lies about britain being uniquely placed to ride out the recession. for uniquely placed i think we should read uniquely placed worst.
I can't agree with your last comment munchman, because all countries rely on exports and imports, so if you have a few countries that are f*cked then the import/export rate gets imbalanced and starts affecting every country
so the recession is a world/global problem, it had absolutely nothing to do with Blair
so the recession is a world/global problem, it had absolutely nothing to do with Blair
I think you might find that the UK is one of the cheapest countries out of the "civilised" EU i.e. Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Norway, etc
people do 5 years at university to understand economics
seems like we have a nation of economics who get their education from tabloid newspapers
seems like we have a nation of economics who get their education from tabloid newspapers
it might well be a global problem, but one that was quite easy to foresee imo and, as britains chancellor and premier, he bloody well should have seen it coming and positioned our country in a more favourable footing. instead, evrything he has done before, during and after the meltdown has made things worse imo. he has put himself before the country for short term popularity.
munch man 05 Feb 21:17
it might well be a global problem, but one that was quite easy to foresee imo and, as britains chancellor and premier, he bloody well should have seen it coming and positioned our country in a more favourable footing. instead, evrything he has done before, during and after the meltdown has made things worse imo. he has put himself before the country for short term popularity.
That in bold, and how would Brown do that?
it might well be a global problem, but one that was quite easy to foresee imo and, as britains chancellor and premier, he bloody well should have seen it coming and positioned our country in a more favourable footing. instead, evrything he has done before, during and after the meltdown has made things worse imo. he has put himself before the country for short term popularity.
That in bold, and how would Brown do that?
i wasn't the chancellor or premier was I? regulating the banks strictly, not letting in so many immigrants, not selling our gold, not allowing our currency to be on the verge of being devalued and downgraded
not spending countless billions (trillions?) propping up the banks
munch man 05 Feb 21:21
i wasn't the chancellor or premier was I?
regulating the banks strictly(to what extent?),
not letting in so many immigrants(They improved the country),
not selling our gold(gold reserves are a thing of the past, it means sh!t),
not allowing our currency to be on the verge of being devalued and downgraded(currency is fine)
i wasn't the chancellor or premier was I?
regulating the banks strictly(to what extent?),
not letting in so many immigrants(They improved the country),
not selling our gold(gold reserves are a thing of the past, it means sh!t),
not allowing our currency to be on the verge of being devalued and downgraded(currency is fine)
munch man 05 Feb 21:23
not going to war based on lies
Why did the Torys(whom are gonna improve our country(?)) go to war back in the 90s?, they didn't even get Saddam Hussein! unlike Labour!, at least Labour finished the job off
not going to war based on lies
Why did the Torys(whom are gonna improve our country(?)) go to war back in the 90s?, they didn't even get Saddam Hussein! unlike Labour!, at least Labour finished the job off
I don't think the currency is fine
gold reserves are a thing of the past I agree - our past
Some immigrants may have improved the country, but there are now too many of them being let in.
regulate the banks by not allowing them to repackage loans and lend huge sums of money on the back of thin air. And not encourage traders to recklessly gamble my by offering obscene bonuses when the dice rolls right, and very little penalties if it doesn't.
gold reserves are a thing of the past I agree - our past
Some immigrants may have improved the country, but there are now too many of them being let in.
regulate the banks by not allowing them to repackage loans and lend huge sums of money on the back of thin air. And not encourage traders to recklessly gamble my by offering obscene bonuses when the dice rolls right, and very little penalties if it doesn't.
munch man 05 Feb 21:24
not spending countless billions (trillions?) propping up the banks
if we didn't prop up the banks, then millions of people here would have lost all their money including me, therefore nothing to spend, therefore all high street stores would have no income, therefore so many jobs lost, would be utter meltdown
Labour poured that money in to prevent it
Don't think the Torys would have done the same, interest rates at 15%, just so the rich can have high interest rates at the poor's expense
not spending countless billions (trillions?) propping up the banks
if we didn't prop up the banks, then millions of people here would have lost all their money including me, therefore nothing to spend, therefore all high street stores would have no income, therefore so many jobs lost, would be utter meltdown
Labour poured that money in to prevent it
Don't think the Torys would have done the same, interest rates at 15%, just so the rich can have high interest rates at the poor's expense
punterfleecer. don't confuse me with a dyed in the wool tory. I told you earlier i think ALL politicians are shysters.
regulate the banks by not allowing them to repackage loans and lend huge sums of money on the back of thin air. And not encourage traders to recklessly gamble my by offering obscene bonuses when the dice rolls right, and very little penalties if it doesn't.
But the tories aren't going to regulate banks, they love bankers
But the tories aren't going to regulate banks, they love bankers
OK, I understand you're not a Tory
what am trying to say is, I don't think there is any other party that can do better than Labour at the moment
David Cameron, seems to offer.......nothing
what am trying to say is, I don't think there is any other party that can do better than Labour at the moment
David Cameron, seems to offer.......nothing
I'm not saying, "I love Labour"
but I feel no-one else can do better
and I'm certainly not a fan of labour like they were back in their socialist days
but I feel no-one else can do better
and I'm certainly not a fan of labour like they were back in their socialist days
i believe the policy labour (brown) is pursuing now is putting a plaster on a bullet wound and will have dire consequences for all of us if it allowed to continue.
interest rates are FAR too low. house prices are FAR too high. both need correting imo and the longer this correction is held back the worse the inevitable correction will be.
interest rates are FAR too low. house prices are FAR too high. both need correting imo and the longer this correction is held back the worse the inevitable correction will be.
anyway, i have to go out now punterfleecer. catch you again mate.
how are we going to lower house prices?
by increasing the interest rates so people will struggle to afford mortgage repayments so there'll be repossessions? etc
by the way, I split up with my ex because of house prices, she was happy to pay £95,000 for a **holee, no way I was succumbing to that
I bought my place in 2002 before all this happened, so "I'm all right Jack"
pity the poor girl, and pity for most of the population who thought like her
by increasing the interest rates so people will struggle to afford mortgage repayments so there'll be repossessions? etc
by the way, I split up with my ex because of house prices, she was happy to pay £95,000 for a **holee, no way I was succumbing to that
I bought my place in 2002 before all this happened, so "I'm all right Jack"
pity the poor girl, and pity for most of the population who thought like her
ok then munchman, see ya later, have a good weekend
Of that 648 about 3 were down to guys who had been released after murdereing someone else.
I know 2 that were in Newham.
One, a released schizophrenic killer, cut his flatmates head off, then cooked and ate part of his brain.
The second one was only out for aa short whilel when he stabbed somobody to death.
Both locked up indefinitely NOW.
I'm sure there's more than one elswhere in the UK.
One, a released schizophrenic killer, cut his flatmates head off, then cooked and ate part of his brain.
The second one was only out for aa short whilel when he stabbed somobody to death.
Both locked up indefinitely NOW.
I'm sure there's more than one elswhere in the UK.
not so strange blackburn.......harry roberts;train robbery;krays ;richardsons; fraser; lot of statistics flying round then....so much crime now ..dont take much notice do we.
punter....dream on...brown and labour are a disgrace..you know it i know.......800 new taxes...700 new laws and for what ..to screw the middle class of anything they have left...harmen needs mental treatment.
Safer in 1967
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x697898
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x697898
on the ratio referenced in that last post, the latest figures are truly remarkable. The rate had more or less doubled over 40 years, and well over half that has been recovered in one year. Hopefully a trend that will continue.
nearer 10;000 in usa ...but dont tell punter....over 2000 in detroit alone.
Big Charlie 06 Feb 00:17
How many in London involved Operation Trident ?
We should be told.
I jwant to wind up Live Forever and Baracouda when the answer arrives.
How many in London involved Operation Trident ?
We should be told.
I jwant to wind up Live Forever and Baracouda when the answer arrives.
648 murders from 60 mill mean the chance of being murdered each year is erm less than 0.1% so chance of my being mudered in the next 50 years is less than 5%?
Less than 0.05% I think, although this will increase if you're a black male, or if you live near Big Charlie, or in the worst possible of circumstances, both.
If the latter's the case you might just want to book the trip to switzerland now.
If the latter's the case you might just want to book the trip to switzerland now.
more interestingly is
for Scotland it's 2.13
for England and Wales it's 1.37
Multi cultural England in lower murder rate than Scotland shock....
Someone should tell the BNP bigots...
for Scotland it's 2.13
for England and Wales it's 1.37
Multi cultural England in lower murder rate than Scotland shock....
Someone should tell the BNP bigots...
Depends where you hang out Irch........if you go down Hackney and start looking at people funny.......... your chances of being murdered are about 80% per hour.
Sparky.......that's Big Charlie-ist....
Sparky.......that's Big Charlie-ist....
To get some perspective 1078 British and Commonwealth troops were killed in the KOREAN WAR 1950-1953 This equates at about 360 deaths a year in a WAR! if you think 648 is low for a domestic civilization you are sadly misled
toop toop, I don't think wales is THAT multicultural, Giggs aside.
In 23 years the American casualty rate in Vietnam was 58,148 an approx average of 2500 per year the UK figures are therefore ABOVE 1/5th of the annual attrition rate of the VIETNAM WAR!
That statistic in a western comparison stands on its own...and is sobering enough
how? I mean I guess it shows how disasterous the war was for the Americans, that their military casualities alone cold dwarf our entire murder rate, but it's an odd comparison to make.
odd? not really just highlights the daily carnage on our streets,puts some perspective on it,the statistics are correct
sparkmaster. 07 Feb 14:14
Less than 0.05% I think, although this will increase if you're a black male, or if you live near Big Charlie, or in the worst possible of circumstances, both.
If the latter's the case you might just want to book the trip to switzerland now.
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The Leopard 07 Feb 14:18
Sparky.......that's Big Charlie-ist....
I agree
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Less than 0.05% I think, although this will increase if you're a black male, or if you live near Big Charlie, or in the worst possible of circumstances, both.
If the latter's the case you might just want to book the trip to switzerland now.
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The Leopard 07 Feb 14:18
Sparky.......that's Big Charlie-ist....
I agree
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Could be a lot worse i live in El Salvador there were 4365 murders here last year for a population of under 6 million, 48 murders in 3 days this week.
but it doesn't Rocking Horse, it shows just how few murders we have. Again though, it would be far more rational to compare to the USA murder rate, rather than combat deaths - again you'll find the UK vastly lower.
Can't we be compared to a country with a similar size population ?
mexico is a bit scary now as well , drug cartels taking on the mexican army
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