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Andy Murray
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Report BurtSaddo. • February 5, 2010 1:08 PM GMT
Ivey, Ulliot is a bellend
Report redbag • February 5, 2010 1:08 PM GMT
1.01 phil ivey...nap
Report Tex AxiLe • February 5, 2010 1:09 PM GMT
I honestly have never heard of either, i think devilfish may be a poker player
Report oldbean • February 5, 2010 1:09 PM GMT
redbag 05 Feb 14:08


1.01 phil ivey...nap

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correct
Report Andy Murray • February 5, 2010 1:10 PM GMT
ffs :(
Report redbag • February 5, 2010 1:10 PM GMT
fook me andy you cant be serious you thought devilfish was more popular!!
Report Toop Toop • February 5, 2010 1:11 PM GMT
Depends where you are I suppose.

I'd say stateside, Ivy and in the UK, Devilfish.


If you're a poker fan/player you know who both of them are
Report Andy Murray • February 5, 2010 1:11 PM GMT
more famous yeah.. never seen much of phil ivey, thought everyone had heard of the devilfish
Report History Maker • February 5, 2010 1:12 PM GMT
Ulliott. Never heard of Ivey and I have heard of Ulliott. QED.
Report redbag • February 5, 2010 1:13 PM GMT
i actually quite like dave ulliot bit ivey is a legend..up there with hellmuth and brunson
Report Andy Murray • February 5, 2010 1:15 PM GMT
whos that fat kid who acts like a spoilt brat?
Report BurtSaddo. • February 5, 2010 1:16 PM GMT
Ladycakes
Report redbag • February 5, 2010 1:16 PM GMT
:^0 @ burt
Report Andy Murray • February 5, 2010 1:18 PM GMT
think it was him
Phillip Jerome Hellmuth, Jr. (born July 16, 1964) is
thought he was young :s
Report Child of the Rafalution • February 5, 2010 1:20 PM GMT
Ivey IMO

Devilfish is a**. Saw him in one of the int comps, Was UK captain and screwed it up by thinking he could just brush aside the noobs. He got pwned.
Report redbag • February 5, 2010 1:20 PM GMT
hellmuth is a**t of the highest order..i **g hate him but hes a good poker player but so far up his own arris its unreal
Report buzzer • February 5, 2010 1:21 PM GMT
Tony G
Report Hoss • February 5, 2010 1:22 PM GMT
That's him, thinks nobody should ever call if he raises :D
Ivey is far more famous than Devilfish, who is a legend, only in his own mind.
Report man of many moods • February 5, 2010 1:23 PM GMT
I remember seeing Dave Ulliot in an interview a few years ago really**ging off the new breed of internet players who were 'ruining' the live game for all the established pros.

Next thing you know, Ulliot opens his own internet Poker site :^0
Report Big Charlie • February 5, 2010 1:27 PM GMT
Pass

No idea who they are.
Report jamesbeckton. • February 5, 2010 1:27 PM GMT
If it is in the Uk then definitely Devilfish. He was on the original late night poker and loads of people who know nothign about poker remember him.
Report redbag • February 5, 2010 1:28 PM GMT
big charlie prefers devilfish imvho...nap
Report Hoss • February 5, 2010 1:31 PM GMT
I love watching;

Negreanu
Brunson
Ivey
Hanson
Laak

and the new girl in town, she's as tough as any of them;

Annette Obrestad.
Report jamesbeckton. • February 5, 2010 1:32 PM GMT
Most of the poker programmes on TV are pretty dull
Report backtolay • February 5, 2010 1:35 PM GMT
Ivey still a good enough player, Devilfish looks a bit like last years man to me, living off the glory of the seedy bad old days, he has not adapted to the poker boom and the new breed of players and seems to get his ar*e felt every time he sits down with them. Plus his habit of cussing the dealers for his beats is pretty uncalled for.
Report SuperSuperShire • February 5, 2010 1:37 PM GMT
Phil Ivey

and yes, Devilfish is a c_t of the highest order
Report Bamboo • February 5, 2010 1:38 PM GMT
No brainer- Phil Ivey
Report jamesbeckton. • February 5, 2010 1:42 PM GMT
It really is a no brainer in the UK - Devilfish. He is very distinctive so people remember him.
Report crediter • February 5, 2010 1:42 PM GMT
ivy the best player by far ....watch on tilt.
Report Bamboo • February 5, 2010 1:44 PM GMT
Phil Ivey is more famous world wide without a shadow of doubt maybe it`s because he is one of the best poker players the world has seen
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • February 5, 2010 1:46 PM GMT
I agree with James Beckton. Ivey obviously is the right answer but in the UK I'd be amazed if more people didn't know who Ulliott was.
Report Andy Murray • February 5, 2010 1:48 PM GMT
i'll claim a minor victory then :D
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • February 5, 2010 1:48 PM GMT
Remember my IQ is zero tho Andy :)
Report Dan Chipowski • February 5, 2010 1:49 PM GMT
In the UK - Ulliot........definitely, particularly given the success of LNP on C4.
Report crediter • February 5, 2010 1:49 PM GMT
hanson one of the worst cash players ive seen...
Report Andy Murray • February 5, 2010 1:53 PM GMT
its ok :) people with an iq of 0 can still have an opinion :D
Report Andy Murray • February 5, 2010 1:54 PM GMT
i know who both players are.. but i guess i havent watched poker on tv for ages, which is why i would have picked devilfish, getting into poker when betfair poker was launched etc
Report jamesbeckton. • February 5, 2010 1:55 PM GMT
exactly ^^^^
Report unmatched yet again • February 5, 2010 2:22 PM GMT
in the uk its ulliot in the states its ivey

they are both total**s
Report Fenway • February 5, 2010 2:50 PM GMT
I would imagine that in anywhere but the UK Ulliott is virtually unknown, except to a few poker afficianados.

Ivey isn't exactly a world famous figure, but he is a successful World poker player so would be much more well known than Ulliott.
Report Ghostbusters 2 • February 5, 2010 2:51 PM GMT
i prefer liv boereeeeee
Report Clockwork • February 5, 2010 3:00 PM GMT
Ivy and Ashley Young have never been seen together in public.

Ivy btw.
Report crediter • February 5, 2010 3:04 PM GMT
most know of a devilfish..........but have never heard of dave ulliott.
Report duffy • February 5, 2010 3:09 PM GMT
they all know devilfish...that geezer who's fecked hios hair up big time trying to look young and trendy....and whenever asked won't admit that anyone else is better than him.
Report crediter • February 5, 2010 3:12 PM GMT
almost as bad as THE HENDON MOB...........lol
Report Ovalman. • February 5, 2010 3:17 PM GMT
I play most of my poker on Devilfish's poker site :8
Report crediter • February 5, 2010 3:19 PM GMT
anygood ...win or lose.
Report annie. • February 5, 2010 3:30 PM GMT
Would it be possible if we could have more threads about poker on chit chat?

I do look at the poker forum, but it seems the more intelligent posters are on here.
Report Ovalman. • February 5, 2010 3:35 PM GMT
I got a raake-back account via rakebrain. Its a very loose site with a bad blind structure but I find 6 seater D2N's ideal for my TAG game. I've turned £20 into €400 in 3 months playing low stakes. They play on the B2B network but site specific tournaments have a big overlay. I played in one 2 weeks ago for 3x €2k package to the EMOP with only 27 runners (I was knocked out early).

I like playing here but regular STT's can last 1 hour 15 mins while I can play a 6 seat D2N on DF in 40 mins (usually much less).

I play as Perplexed on the site.
Report charwell. • February 5, 2010 3:51 PM GMT
IVEY 1 zillion percent
Report Alex69 • February 5, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
I haven't heard of Phil Ivey, so for me it's the Devilfish.
Report annie. • February 5, 2010 4:49 PM GMT
That is what I am, perplexed!

I have only been playing poker for just over four months and really enjoy it, but I do not understand some of the terminology.

What site do you play on? Who is DF? What is a bad blind stucture? What is a very loose site? What is B2B? What does 'site specific tournament have a big overlay' mean. I have an idea what they mean, but I would like to know for certain.

I know I have thanked you in the past for your replies, among others, that started me on poker - but reading that thread again I notice that I have done almost exactly what you advised. I started on 11c when I started playing properly and waited until I had a very positive ROI before I upped it to $2.75. I will wait until I have a postive ROI, if ever, before going up in buy ins.

The only thing I did not do what you advised was to join r a k ebrain before joining Betfair. I did not really understand about r a keback.
Report annie. • February 5, 2010 4:49 PM GMT
That is what I am, perplexed!

I have only been playing poker for just over four months and really enjoy it, but I do not understand some of the terminology.

What site do you play on? Who is DF? What is a bad blind stucture? What is a very loose site? What is B2B? What does 'site specific tournament have a big overlay' mean. I have an idea what they mean, but I would like to know for certain.

I know I have thanked you in the past for your replies, among others, that started me on poker - but reading that thread again I notice that I have done almost exactly what you advised. I started on 11c when I started playing properly and waited until I had a very positive ROI before I upped it to $2.75. I will wait until I have a postive ROI, if ever, before going up in buy ins.

The only thing I did not do what you advised was to join r a k ebrain before joining Betfair. I did not really understand about r a keback.
Report wit-ham • February 5, 2010 4:50 PM GMT
not heard of either
Report annie. • February 5, 2010 4:50 PM GMT
That is what I am, perplexed!

I have only been playing poker for just over four months and really enjoy it, but I do not understand some of the terminology.

What site do you play on? Who is DF? What is a bad blind stucture? What is a very loose site? What is B2B? What does 'site specific tournament have a big overlay' mean. I have an idea what they mean, but I would like to know for certain.

I know I have thanked you in the past for your replies, among others, that started me on poker - but reading that thread again I notice that I have done almost exactly what you advised. I started on 11c when I started playing properly and waited until I had a very positive ROI before I upped it to $2.75. I will wait until I have a postive ROI, if ever, before going up in buy ins.

The only thing I did not do what you advised was to join r a k ebrain before joining Betfair. I did not really understand about r a keback.
Report annie. • February 5, 2010 4:53 PM GMT
Sorry, that post was addressed to Ovalman, or anyone who could help, but when I pressed post it said it could not post it due to invalid data so I tried again and again..
Report annie. • February 5, 2010 4:55 PM GMT
Just to say, Ovalman, that I was playing a sng while posting that and came 2nd. I am getting better!
Report redbag • February 5, 2010 4:57 PM GMT
annie..we even have a chit chat poker team :)
Report jamesbeckton. • February 5, 2010 4:57 PM GMT
Your main mistake was not gettign ra k eback. That gives you 30% of all the money that you pay to betfair back.
Report jamesbeckton. • February 5, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
Who is DF?

Some middle-aged man who did well in some tournaments a while ago.

What is a bad blind stucture?

A bad structure is usually seen as one that is too fast. The faster the structure the more gambles and risks you will be required to take. Better players have an advantage with a slower structure. You are only starting out though so it will just mean you are probably at a disadvantage.

What is a very loose site?

Betfair

What is B2B?

poker network. never played on them

What does 'site specific tournament have a big overlay' mean

it means that there is more money in the prizepool than the people have bought in for.
Report Ovalman. • February 5, 2010 5:23 PM GMT
That is what I am, perplexed!

I have only been playing poker for just over four months and really enjoy it, but I do not understand some of the terminology.


I've been playing since betfair poker opened and I love it to ;-)

What site do you play on?

I've a few sites I play on but atm I mostly play on Devilfish. I try not to tie myself down to any one site but I usually play on a site until I hit a run of bad result then I drop stakes or move to a different site. I like it on Betfair but I'm making more of a profit on Devilfish so I'm sticking there.

Who is DF?

Devilfish

What is a bad blind stucture?

I'm speaking on my own game, I like slow blind structures ie. On Betfair you start with 2,000 ***** the blinds are 8 minutes and the blinds start low but don't keep doubling up. On DF the blinds are 1500, 8 min blinds also but they keep doubling up.

It means you have to gamble sooner by pushing your *****in pre flop.

What is a very loose site?


Decent players play poker, they don't like gambling without odds. Loose players gamble a lot more and chase flush draws etc. These type of players are a poker players dream as these players will pay you the most money.

What is B2B?

B2B is a poker network. Devilfish is one site on that network but there are other poker sites that play on the same network.

What does 'site specific tournament have a big overlay' mean.


It means the prize is worth more than the tournament fee's. E.G. The game I mentioned had 27 players at €100 an entry, this comes to €2,700 but the prize was worth €6,000 hence an overlay.

I have an idea what they mean, but I would like to know for certain.

I know I have thanked you in the past for your replies, among others, that started me on poker - but reading that thread again I notice that I have done almost exactly what you advised. I started on 11c when I started playing properly and waited until I had a very positive ROI before I upped it to $2.75. I will wait until I have a postive ROI, if ever, before going up in buy ins.

I too started playing freeroll's and very low stakes but I'm possibly too cautious. If you enjoy the game and don't think of it as a get rich quick scheme you will learn and do well.

The only thing I did not do what you advised was to join r a k ebrain before joining Betfair. I did not really understand about r a keback.

I would urge anyone who is thinking of joining any poker site to go through a raakeback site. Contact Model Man on the poker forum and he may be able to sort you out for raakeback on here. Gummy Baggy also may do it. If your joining any future poker sites then go through these guys or do as I did and join rakebrain.

Raakeback give you a percentage of your tournament fees back. If your a break even player, it will put you in profit. In any case it will get you some cash back.
Report Ovalman. • February 5, 2010 5:25 PM GMT
I see James beat me to it :-)
Report Sir Denis Eton-Hogg • February 5, 2010 5:31 PM GMT
mmmmmm liv boereeeeee
Report annie. • February 5, 2010 5:41 PM GMT
Thank you so much, James and Ovalman. I really appreciate it. I love poker, but it talks in a different language.

Again, though, please can we have more threads about poker on chit chat. Come to think of it I would like more football and racing threads as well. I know there are specialist forums for these, but sorting the wheat from the chaff is time consuming. I only go to the racing forum when I need to know something - it is quicker than asking Betfair!
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