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mitchell downie
01 Feb 10 12:13
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This has probably been done to death but I have trouble taking technical stuff in.

My mate wants to open a brand new set of bookies accounts, but as he hasn't got a PC. he'll be using mine.

How can I prevent the bookies who have closed me down, knowing it's my computer and assuming I am trying to use them under a different name?

Apparently according to Virgin, my IP address changes egularly, so that's not a problem I don't think.

Many thanks.

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ROCKIN HORSE
When: 01 Feb 10 12:15
lol just started another fred use this one
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mitchell downie
When: 01 Feb 10 12:17
ok ta. :-)
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ROCKIN HORSE
When: 01 Feb 10 12:18
Limited or Restricted Accounts
Successful punters will find it difficult to get a decent bet on. Bookies will not want punters regularly winning money so they will limit the amount a successful punter will be able to bet.

It is not uncommon for some punters to be informed onscreen that the maximum bet they can have on a particular horse is a fraction of what they were betting previously. The situation can be even worse with multiple bets with some punters reporting that sites restrict them to bets such as a 23p Yankee!

This is a problem not just for successful professional punters but for ordinary punters who are on a winning streak. If you have a few winners on the trot and take a good few hundred out of the bookie you may find that you will start to see future bets restricted.

The reason for this is because bookies are now not controlled by likeable old rogue bookies but by beancounters and accountants who use software to maximise their profits and minimse their risks.

Every bet you make will first be analysed by a program. Depending on the type and size of bet, and your previous betting history will the amount of stake you can place be determined. Too often than not this will be too protective for the online bookie and result in the punter being restricted.

To get around this some punters use multiple accounts. They will try and open up a second account with the online bookie using their own details but a different credit card. Some may setup a second account in their partners or friends name.

But before long they find that the second account is restricted and deemed as 'linked' to the first. This is when punters assume that their IP address is being monitored to determine linked accounts and this is why they think that hiding it will allow them to get a decent bet on.


IP Addresses
Depending on your ISP you may have a static or dynamic IP address. A static one will never change - your IP address will always be the same whatever site you visit, and will always be the same day after day.

Think of static IP addresses as your car number plate. It is always the same every morning you drive your car and is always the same wherever you drive to.


This type of IP address bookies can monitor and could use to restrict your account.

Dynamic IP addresses are assigned from a pool of numbers allocated to your ISP. Each day you logon to the internet you could have a different IP address.

Think of dynamic IP addresses as a company pool car. Each day at work your boss could give you a different car to drive around in. One day you could have the car with XYZ1 number plate, the next day you could have the car with the ABC22 number plate.

This would make it much harder for places you visit to determine that it was you who visited yesterday! And this makes it much harder for bookies to determine who you are via IP address. Therefore, bookies trying to link users via IP addresses will be wasting their time as the method used to identify you can change day after day.


AOL users are a different case. Some AOL users can change their IP address every few minutes. This would be like having a pool car take you to a sales meeting in Slough. But you drive a different pool car back to a presentation in Windsor and then get a different car again to drive back to the office!

Some AOL accounts make it near impossible for bookies to identify linked accounts.

Cookies
The most likely method a bookie will use to try and identify linked accounts is via cookies.

Everytime you visit an online bookie site a cookie which holds information about you is accessed. Most of the time this is just to make your visit to the site easier such as storing your username and your preferences etc. But cookies can also be used to identify linked accounts.

If you login to an online betting site with your account details, then logout and log back in with your partners details the online betting site will be able to access any of their cookies on your PC. It would be really easy for the online betting site to work out that the two accounts you have logged in with are from the same PC and thus make a judgement that you are the same person!

The solution to this is to clear your cookies before each login. This will wipeout cookie information and make it harder for online bookies to link your accounts.

You can clear your cookies easily in Internet Explorer or Firefox. Just check your Tools, Internet Options, Delete, Delete Cookies (Internet Explorer 7), or Tools, Options, Privacy Show Cookies (Firefox 2) to view and delete your cookies. Note that you only want to delete the cookies set by the betting site and not anything else.

MAC Address
This is the most revealing form of identification in your PC. This is a unique number which is hard coded into network cards and can not be changed (except with some customisable devices not generally installed in domestic PC's).

Bookmakers could use this information to permanently identify linked accounts. Unlike IP addresses which change, and cookies which can be deleted, MAC addresses can be tied to a specific PC and thus give bookies the information they need.

Accessing the MAC address is not easy though. The address is only made available if software on your PC is asked to give it. In general use Windows or your Internet Browser will never give this information out. Only if you download a custom application which has rights to give out the information will it transmit back to the enemy.

This kind of software would be a 'free toolbar' such as one which displays the latest results or live prices prices on your desktop. Other software which could reveal your MAC address would be casino games which you can readily download from the online bookies site....

For the majority of home users they will probably be using a USB modem which does not connect to the network card. But don't think you are safe even if you are not using your network card. If the device is enabled in your PC it will still give out it's MAC address.

The best advice is to disable your network card in your Hardware Device Manager or turn it off completey in the BIOS. Before you do so just make absolutely sure that your modem is a USB device and that you do not run a home network.

Other Reasons why Bookies Detect Linked Accounts
Reducing the risk with successful punters is not the only reason why bookies detect linked accounts. They may also attempt to link accounts of 'bonus tarts' and 'arbers'.

Bookies quite often give out generous bonuses to new customers. Some people try to take advantage of this by registering different accounts and thus receive the bonus many times over. Some try to take advantage of affiliation bonuses or 'recommend a friend and receive a free £25 bet' type bonuses. Again, it is in the bookies interest to detect this and stop it.

Arbers are punters who will back a horse in one place and lay it off in another for a guaranteed profit.

e.g. An online betting site is offering Lucky Jim at 12/1 but he is available to lay on the exchanges for 10/1.

Another reason is to detect punters who only back mainstream tipster selections and try and take advantage of guaranteed prices.

e.g. An online betting site is offering 12/1 for a horse tipped up by a leading pundit (Pricewise, or one of the major telephone tipsters). This price is guaranteed until 10:00am

What some punters do is to only back that horse and nothing else. They will try and get as much as they can get on but often find that they are restricted to something like £25 at 12/1 and the rest at SP.

To get around this punters try to use different accounts and this is why bookies try to detect this kind of activity.

In short, if you only use the bookie to take advantage of free bonuses, to arb, or to only back races with guaranteed prices they will do all they can to restrict you.
By:
ROCKIN HORSE
When: 01 Feb 10 12:20
mitch I'm sorry I cant post on that thread its moderated
By:
mitchell downie
When: 01 Feb 10 12:26
test
By:
mitchell downie
When: 01 Feb 10 12:26
oh i see, thanks anyway.
By:
ROCKIN HORSE
When: 01 Feb 10 12:27
or I cant,anyway I've tried
By:
ROCKIN HORSE
When: 01 Feb 10 12:27
very strange
By:
mitchell downie
When: 01 Feb 10 12:27
strange.
By:
mitchell downie
When: 01 Feb 10 13:06
that's weird, it says last post 13-58, and yet i can only see my 13-27
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