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24 Jan 10
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Sunday night and fancied a bit of a rant as not much good on tv so here goes....
1. Taxes - we are now taxed more than people in France - wtf!! Also, why have different rates of tax? Surely a fixed % results in people earning more, paying more without further penalties of higher rates of tax (and no, this does not impact me so isnt my pocket talking)
2. Benefit System - way too generous and encourages people to be unemployed for the duration of their lives to live off the state. The fact that the last budget had to specifically point out that you should be better off in work than not working is a sign that benefits have got out of control.
3. People that are allowed to have kids before 18 - you're not considered responsible enough to vote but you can have a kid?!?! (and more often than not it is the state that funds it)
4. People that have sky but live in council estates - can't afford to pay rent but can afford a privelege that many who work cannot?
5. Bankers being responsible for this financial mess - not 100% true as the biggest cause is Gordon Brown himself as he borrowed in the "boom times" so when the tough times came, there was no money in the pot. Also bankers and the financial services sector were the principle reason the country grew for the last 6-8 years. Clearly the government wish to overlook this.
6. Human Rights Act - apparently it is against your "Human Rights" to have a full body scan before getting on a plane. Clearly it is your Human Right then to bring a bomb on to a plane - wtf? Surely if you have nothing to hide then why are you concerned about being scanned - get over it.
7. UK Justice system - can commit murder and be out in 10 years. Complete joke especially when you see those two kids that almost killed two other kids recently and only got 5 years. Should have got life and sent the parents down for life with them.
Sorry, these are just a few of the things getting me wound up!!!
1. Taxes - we are now taxed more than people in France - wtf!! Also, why have different rates of tax? Surely a fixed % results in people earning more, paying more without further penalties of higher rates of tax (and no, this does not impact me so isnt my pocket talking)
2. Benefit System - way too generous and encourages people to be unemployed for the duration of their lives to live off the state. The fact that the last budget had to specifically point out that you should be better off in work than not working is a sign that benefits have got out of control.
3. People that are allowed to have kids before 18 - you're not considered responsible enough to vote but you can have a kid?!?! (and more often than not it is the state that funds it)
4. People that have sky but live in council estates - can't afford to pay rent but can afford a privelege that many who work cannot?
5. Bankers being responsible for this financial mess - not 100% true as the biggest cause is Gordon Brown himself as he borrowed in the "boom times" so when the tough times came, there was no money in the pot. Also bankers and the financial services sector were the principle reason the country grew for the last 6-8 years. Clearly the government wish to overlook this.
6. Human Rights Act - apparently it is against your "Human Rights" to have a full body scan before getting on a plane. Clearly it is your Human Right then to bring a bomb on to a plane - wtf? Surely if you have nothing to hide then why are you concerned about being scanned - get over it.
7. UK Justice system - can commit murder and be out in 10 years. Complete joke especially when you see those two kids that almost killed two other kids recently and only got 5 years. Should have got life and sent the parents down for life with them.
Sorry, these are just a few of the things getting me wound up!!!
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Not enough choice on TV!
I've only had to choose between "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire"/"Minder"/"Heroes-Les Dawson/Tony Hancock"/Jeremy Clarkson visiting The South-WEst Basque Region of France and about 10 good other programmes.
Not enough goals in Live TV Football Games...all we have had lately is Villa 6 Blackburn 4...Stoke 3 Arsenal 1....Scunny 2 Man City 4 etc......
I've only had to choose between "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire"/"Minder"/"Heroes-Les Dawson/Tony Hancock"/Jeremy Clarkson visiting The South-WEst Basque Region of France and about 10 good other programmes.
Not enough goals in Live TV Football Games...all we have had lately is Villa 6 Blackburn 4...Stoke 3 Arsenal 1....Scunny 2 Man City 4 etc......
Too many tinpot snobs compiling pointless lists.
We get it, you think you're better than most people... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
We get it, you think you're better than most people... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Rockingchair not in the very front rank of thinkers!At least the list is a Daily Mail reader's wet dream, so it'll find favour with other dunces.
Try the Politics forum, they'll think you're a genius.
Try the Politics forum, they'll think you're a genius.
You'd do well on the politics forum.
1. Taxes - we are now taxed more than people in France - wtf!! Also, why have different rates of tax? Surely a fixed % results in people earning more, paying more without further penalties of higher rates of tax (and no, this does not impact me so isnt my pocket talking)
Taxed more than the FRENCH!?!?!? My GOD!!!
2. Benefit System - way too generous and encourages people to be unemployed for the duration of their lives to live off the state. The fact that the last budget had to specifically point out that you should be better off in work than not working is a sign that benefits have got out of control.
No it isn't. SOME people take advantage, but only a minority. For most being on benefits is depressing, and does NOT provide a goodst5andard of living. It just gives snobs someone 'lower' to moan about.
3. People that are allowed to have kids before 18 - you're not considered responsible enough to vote but you can have a kid?!?! (and more often than not it is the state that funds it)
This annoys you about THIS country does it?
4. People that have sky but live in council estates - can't afford to pay rent but can afford a privelege that many who work cannot?
That's right, the state pays for Sky. FFS!
I bet you don't know ANYBODY who's working who hasn't got it.
5. Bankers being responsible for this financial mess - not 100% true as the biggest cause is Gordon Brown himself as he borrowed in the "boom times" so when the tough times came, there was no money in the pot. Also bankers and the financial services sector were the principle reason the country grew for the last 6-8 years. Clearly the government wish to overlook this.
OK Own up, which forum name do you usually post under.
Everything is Gordon Brown's fault. Whatever it is.
6. Human Rights Act - apparently it is against your "Human Rights" to have a full body scan before getting on a plane. Clearly it is your Human Right then to bring a bomb on to a plane - wtf? Surely if you have nothing to hide then why are you concerned about being scanned - get over it.Have you actually heard anybody complain about this? - I doubt it. It was just a snippet from the Mail wasn't it?
7. UK Justice system - can commit murder and be out in 10 years. Complete joke especially when you see those two kids that almost killed two other kids recently and only got 5 years. Should have got life and sent the parents down for life with them.
There isn't a decent justice system in the world which is good. Ours is bad too
Sorry, these are just a few of the things getting me wound up!!!
Apology accepted. There are better things to spend your evening thinking about, imo.
1. Taxes - we are now taxed more than people in France - wtf!! Also, why have different rates of tax? Surely a fixed % results in people earning more, paying more without further penalties of higher rates of tax (and no, this does not impact me so isnt my pocket talking)
Taxed more than the FRENCH!?!?!? My GOD!!!
2. Benefit System - way too generous and encourages people to be unemployed for the duration of their lives to live off the state. The fact that the last budget had to specifically point out that you should be better off in work than not working is a sign that benefits have got out of control.
No it isn't. SOME people take advantage, but only a minority. For most being on benefits is depressing, and does NOT provide a goodst5andard of living. It just gives snobs someone 'lower' to moan about.
3. People that are allowed to have kids before 18 - you're not considered responsible enough to vote but you can have a kid?!?! (and more often than not it is the state that funds it)
This annoys you about THIS country does it?
4. People that have sky but live in council estates - can't afford to pay rent but can afford a privelege that many who work cannot?
That's right, the state pays for Sky. FFS!
I bet you don't know ANYBODY who's working who hasn't got it.
5. Bankers being responsible for this financial mess - not 100% true as the biggest cause is Gordon Brown himself as he borrowed in the "boom times" so when the tough times came, there was no money in the pot. Also bankers and the financial services sector were the principle reason the country grew for the last 6-8 years. Clearly the government wish to overlook this.
OK Own up, which forum name do you usually post under.
Everything is Gordon Brown's fault. Whatever it is.
6. Human Rights Act - apparently it is against your "Human Rights" to have a full body scan before getting on a plane. Clearly it is your Human Right then to bring a bomb on to a plane - wtf? Surely if you have nothing to hide then why are you concerned about being scanned - get over it.Have you actually heard anybody complain about this? - I doubt it. It was just a snippet from the Mail wasn't it?
7. UK Justice system - can commit murder and be out in 10 years. Complete joke especially when you see those two kids that almost killed two other kids recently and only got 5 years. Should have got life and sent the parents down for life with them.
There isn't a decent justice system in the world which is good. Ours is bad too
Sorry, these are just a few of the things getting me wound up!!!
Apology accepted. There are better things to spend your evening thinking about, imo.
the way murderers and phaedophiles and violent thugs are let off with soft sentences.to be released to murder again. wtf is that one about.
agree terrible tv nowt on having to watch jets v colts as nothing else on
People that are skint but can afford a mobile phone and cigarettes.
See if you can catch yourself complaining in either speech or thought, about a situation you find yourself in, what other people do or say, your surroundings, your life situation, even the weather. To complain is always nonacceptance of what is. It invariably carries an unconscious negative charge. When you complain, y...ou make yourself a victim. Leave the situation or accept it. All else is madness. E Tolle.
I bet you can afford it though azi you tight git ;)
only got it a year ago az as hardly anything on to watch apart from the odd programme on the beeb
well i do have sky one actually as it is free on virgin. i don't have sky sports though which is a shocking state of affairs for a gambling addict i admit
STUDYFORM - you really fail to understand some basics about life.
Clearly the state don't pay for Sky but they do pay the individuals rent as they are apparently this is needed which is fine but then how can that same individual afford the luxury of Sky? I and I'm sure others, have to give up a lot to afford Sky.
If these people can afford Sky they can afford to pay rent.
Clearly the state don't pay for Sky but they do pay the individuals rent as they are apparently this is needed which is fine but then how can that same individual afford the luxury of Sky? I and I'm sure others, have to give up a lot to afford Sky.
If these people can afford Sky they can afford to pay rent.
Oh, and another thing about the Human Rights Act is that you can voice your pleasure in this country that tragedies like 9/11 were good and deserved which I think is increadily wrong. Apparently this is "your right" to free speech.......???? Now tell me the Human Rights Act is a good thing......
rockingchair
since you're probably a tory and a toff
you might not have heard of this, the ones on benefits do not subscribe to SKY
they have, what it's called - a dodgy box, costs £80 and you get all SKY channels for free with no subscription
bet you're interested in it now with your tax dodging like the rich often like to do
the rich people have stolen millions of pounds from the crown treasury
since you're probably a tory and a toff
you might not have heard of this, the ones on benefits do not subscribe to SKY
they have, what it's called - a dodgy box, costs £80 and you get all SKY channels for free with no subscription
bet you're interested in it now with your tax dodging like the rich often like to do
the rich people have stolen millions of pounds from the crown treasury
4. People that have sky but live in council estates
I grew up on a council estate and both my parents worked. The state NEVER paid our rent.
Are you saying all inhabitants of council estates are umemployed?Not only are you a snob, you're ignorant too
I grew up on a council estate and both my parents worked. The state NEVER paid our rent.
Are you saying all inhabitants of council estates are umemployed?Not only are you a snob, you're ignorant too
Apologies TT for the generalisation which I appreciate was not correct. However, my views still stand that anyone that cannot afford their own rent should not be allowed Sky.
at least liverpool s success of the late seventies earlier eigthies was built on social security
old joke i know
old joke i know
punterfleecer 24 Jan 21:04
rockingchair
since you're probably a tory and a toff
you might not have heard of this, the ones on benefits do not subscribe to SKY
they have, what it's called - a dodgy box, costs £80 and you get all SKY channels for free with no subscription
bet you're interested in it now with your tax dodging like the rich often like to do
the rich people have stolen millions of pounds from the crown treasury
Why does no-one ever complain about the millions of pounds the rich people steal from the crown treasury every year? they're a disgrace
rockingchair
since you're probably a tory and a toff
you might not have heard of this, the ones on benefits do not subscribe to SKY
they have, what it's called - a dodgy box, costs £80 and you get all SKY channels for free with no subscription
bet you're interested in it now with your tax dodging like the rich often like to do
the rich people have stolen millions of pounds from the crown treasury
Why does no-one ever complain about the millions of pounds the rich people steal from the crown treasury every year? they're a disgrace
Punterfleece - you really are a complete tool if you are trying to justify your argument by saying that its ok because its stolen Sky. Lol - I've heard it all now!
i never said it was ok
that's how some on benefit have sky, they can't afford sky through benefits, my point is benefits does not give people the opportunity to afford sky
the fact it's stolen sky is a different matter anyway
what about the rich stealing millions of pounds from the crown treasury? why does no-one ever complain about them?
the tax gap, the rich steal at least a couple of billion pounds from the crown treasury each year, what shall we do about that?
that's how some on benefit have sky, they can't afford sky through benefits, my point is benefits does not give people the opportunity to afford sky
the fact it's stolen sky is a different matter anyway
what about the rich stealing millions of pounds from the crown treasury? why does no-one ever complain about them?
the tax gap, the rich steal at least a couple of billion pounds from the crown treasury each year, what shall we do about that?
it's the ones on £14,000 a year that pays for the lot
they are the most worse off out of everything
they are the most worse off out of everything
Punterfleece - Whilst I agree on the rich not paying full taxes, it is unfortunately true that they pay for the rest of us to live as we do.
For example, I only put in about £7k of tax and NI per year however someone who was earning around £100k would be putting in around £35k of tax, i.e. 5 times more than me. Ironically, these people are also likely to be using less services (private health care, kids in private school etc).
If these people leave the country, then the likes of you and me will need to pay more taxes to bridge the gap. Do you want that to happen?
Maybe you should look into taking a basic economics course........
For example, I only put in about £7k of tax and NI per year however someone who was earning around £100k would be putting in around £35k of tax, i.e. 5 times more than me. Ironically, these people are also likely to be using less services (private health care, kids in private school etc).
If these people leave the country, then the likes of you and me will need to pay more taxes to bridge the gap. Do you want that to happen?
Maybe you should look into taking a basic economics course........
if they left the country, the likes of us would replace them
no harm done
no harm done
punterfleecer 24 Jan 21:28
if they left the country, the likes of us would replace them
no harm done
As much as I'd like to believe this, it wouldnt happen and we'd be even more ****ed than we are now!
if they left the country, the likes of us would replace them
no harm done
As much as I'd like to believe this, it wouldnt happen and we'd be even more ****ed than we are now!
we're doing all right compared to the rest of the world
agreed Jayco - needs to be very near the top of the list.
Punterfleece - whilst we are all doing ok now, there is a big risk the country could go bust and we all wont be doing so well then.
Punterfleece - whilst we are all doing ok now, there is a big risk the country could go bust and we all wont be doing so well then.
Jayco 24 Jan 21:39
immigration needs to be top priority
Yes, another 10million or so should do it
immigration needs to be top priority
Yes, another 10million or so should do it
maybe im getting old, ive paid into the pot since i was 17 and all i see now is other people taking from the pot
Agreed Jayco - whatever happened to working hard for a fair days pay?
but working hard for a fair days pay will be very difficult to do under a tory government
Too tame pornography - Razzle, Mayfair etc.
I want to go to my newsagents and buy Donkey Buggerers Annual - Special Midget Edition.
I want to go to my newsagents and buy Donkey Buggerers Annual - Special Midget Edition.
punterfleecer 24 Jan 21:21
it's the ones on £14,000 a year that pays for the lot
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very true ,if you took out this group of people the country would be in a right mess
it's the ones on £14,000 a year that pays for the lot
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very true ,if you took out this group of people the country would be in a right mess
rockingchair 24 Jan 21:24
Punterfleece - Whilst I agree on the rich not paying full taxes, it is unfortunately true that they pay for the rest of us to live as we do.
For example, I only put in about £7k of tax and NI per year however someone who was earning around £100k would be putting in around £35k of tax, i.e. 5 times more than me. Ironically, these people are also likely to be using less services (private health care, kids in private school etc).
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yes,but does someone who earns 100k deserve that wage to start with? ...besides you are keeping them ,not the other way round ....you indirectly pay their wages
Punterfleece - Whilst I agree on the rich not paying full taxes, it is unfortunately true that they pay for the rest of us to live as we do.
For example, I only put in about £7k of tax and NI per year however someone who was earning around £100k would be putting in around £35k of tax, i.e. 5 times more than me. Ironically, these people are also likely to be using less services (private health care, kids in private school etc).
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yes,but does someone who earns 100k deserve that wage to start with? ...besides you are keeping them ,not the other way round ....you indirectly pay their wages
People with none degrees in sociology earning £60K as a community interfacing ethnic disabled facilitator thingy. Boils my blood.
rockingchair 24 Jan 21:02
STUDYFORM - you really fail to understand some basics about life.
Clearly the state don't pay for Sky but they do pay the individuals rent as they are apparently this is needed which is fine but then how can that same individual afford the luxury of Sky? I and I'm sure others, have to give up a lot to afford Sky.
If these people can afford Sky they can afford to pay rent.
Who said they could?
Maybe someone (family/friends) with money pays for them. Maybe they have the dish, but were cut-off since losing work. Maybe they're not on benefits, maybe you're assuming, guessing, and generalising.
[b]I'll tell you what annoys me most about this country. Attitudes like yours, and the rubbish you're fed up about.
STUDYFORM - you really fail to understand some basics about life.
Clearly the state don't pay for Sky but they do pay the individuals rent as they are apparently this is needed which is fine but then how can that same individual afford the luxury of Sky? I and I'm sure others, have to give up a lot to afford Sky.
If these people can afford Sky they can afford to pay rent.
Who said they could?
Maybe someone (family/friends) with money pays for them. Maybe they have the dish, but were cut-off since losing work. Maybe they're not on benefits, maybe you're assuming, guessing, and generalising.
[b]I'll tell you what annoys me most about this country. Attitudes like yours, and the rubbish you're fed up about.
STUDYFORM is clearly one of those that has never worked, got 12 kids and lives off the rest of us working hard.
Probably blows all of his money on here and then has to steal to get by.
Pleasant character i'm sure.
Probably blows all of his money on here and then has to steal to get by.
Pleasant character i'm sure.
I'm not the one who thinks its ok to steal?!?
If my attitude stinks because I want people to work hard and contribute to society then so be it - guilty as charged.......tool
If my attitude stinks because I want people to work hard and contribute to society then so be it - guilty as charged.......tool
pity the rich don't attribute the wealth in what they are legally obliged too
but rockingchair, it's YOU yourself, your own attitude stinks
you don't have a clue what Studyform does before making your stupid accusations
you don't have a clue what Studyform does before making your stupid accusations
That seems to be your biggest gripe Punterfleece?
Whilst it is an issue, it is thought that tax evasion accounts for only £2bn a year which in the greater scheme of things is a tiny number.
Much bigger issues to address.....
Whilst it is an issue, it is thought that tax evasion accounts for only £2bn a year which in the greater scheme of things is a tiny number.
Much bigger issues to address.....
And whilst you think my attitude may stink that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
My opinion is different hence a point for discussion and why I think it is indeed your and Studyform's attitude that stinks.
My opinion is different hence a point for discussion and why I think it is indeed your and Studyform's attitude that stinks.
No, rockingchair. I'm just quite a nice bloke, and I think about things, and reason them out.
Whereas, you're a complete **.
Whereas, you're a complete **.
You're also a politics forum regular pretending to be someone else.
Keyboard warrior tw@t
Keyboard warrior tw@t
Thanks for your considered response Study.
I was just debating with you and putting forward my views but clearly you're not mature enough to respond in kind.
Your views are your views and that i respect. Maybe you should do the same.
I was just debating with you and putting forward my views but clearly you're not mature enough to respond in kind.
Your views are your views and that i respect. Maybe you should do the same.
rockingchair 25 Jan 00:31
STUDYFORM is clearly one of those that has never worked, got 12 kids and lives off the rest of us working hard.
Probably blows all of his money on here and then has to steal to get by.
Pleasant character i'm sure.
This is your form of debate, is it?
STUDYFORM is clearly one of those that has never worked, got 12 kids and lives off the rest of us working hard.
Probably blows all of his money on here and then has to steal to get by.
Pleasant character i'm sure.
This is your form of debate, is it?
rockingchair 24 Jan 21:02
STUDYFORM - you really fail to understand some basics about life.
And this.
STUDYFORM - you really fail to understand some basics about life.
And this.
Your first comment was in response to your post of
I'll tell you what annoys me most about this country. Attitudes like yours, and the rubbish you're fed up about.
Agreed that my response was not helpful but i wasnt working with much!
And your second comment was you failing to understand basic economics for which I make no apology for.
Anyway, as I said, I respect your opinions, you should do the same for mine and we can all go to bed.
I'll tell you what annoys me most about this country. Attitudes like yours, and the rubbish you're fed up about.
Agreed that my response was not helpful but i wasnt working with much!
And your second comment was you failing to understand basic economics for which I make no apology for.
Anyway, as I said, I respect your opinions, you should do the same for mine and we can all go to bed.
rockingchair, i'll find out tomorrow if I have time, about how much the tax gap caused by the rich is, it's on the intranet somewhere
and i'll find out how much the black market is in total too
but don't go accusing other people that use this forum of what they are like
and i'll find out how much the black market is in total too
but don't go accusing other people that use this forum of what they are like
ok good , I know they released the document recently on the intranet but I skimmed through it
the black market on rolling tobacco is terrible but that's another matter
the black market on rolling tobacco is terrible but that's another matter
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