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A 15-year-old girl was killed by police after stealing a few photographs.
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I have more sympathy for the guy arrested in Haiti for stealing one carton of Milk he needed.
Police are being paid by shop owners and they only shoot the people 'looting' those shops!
there will be many western reputable companies that will make money from this disaster.
there will be many rich people who will get richer on the back of this.
all amounts to the same crime.
this girls crime was her colour and her poverty and the natural disaster that happened around her.
there will be many rich people who will get richer on the back of this.
all amounts to the same crime.
this girls crime was her colour and her poverty and the natural disaster that happened around her.
What's her colour got to do with it? What colour do you think the police are in Haiti?
Haiti police are white shirts and navu blue trousers imo
:( the situation there is getting worse daily it seems. Wonder will the US have to impose some sort of highly questionable (legally) martial law and have the likes of the French have a good old moan at them?
she stole a few photos.
i dont know the girl or anything about her , i will surmise however that in normal circumstances she would never dream of doing anything like theft. she works hard in school and tries through education to better herself and provide for her future family, she has been demeaned to theft through desperation.
she has paid the highest price.
yet the white man will benefit from the disaster , that's the colour angle i refer to.
governments that initially helped will make financially from this, perhaps a uk construction firm offered a deal to rebuild there etc.
as far as im concerned the governments and politicians and money men who firstly refuse to offer aid and the those who look upon this as an avenue for future money should be shot for their crimes.
maybe im a bit far out here.
but the poverty that exists there now and in most of the world wouldnt be such of not for the exploitation of the white man.
i dont know the girl or anything about her , i will surmise however that in normal circumstances she would never dream of doing anything like theft. she works hard in school and tries through education to better herself and provide for her future family, she has been demeaned to theft through desperation.
she has paid the highest price.
yet the white man will benefit from the disaster , that's the colour angle i refer to.
governments that initially helped will make financially from this, perhaps a uk construction firm offered a deal to rebuild there etc.
as far as im concerned the governments and politicians and money men who firstly refuse to offer aid and the those who look upon this as an avenue for future money should be shot for their crimes.
maybe im a bit far out here.
but the poverty that exists there now and in most of the world wouldnt be such of not for the exploitation of the white man.
stevie_p, exploitation is colour blind, I could give you hundreds of examples, here's 3, "Papa Doc" Baby Doc" Robert Gabriel Karigamombe Mugabe. Get an education, and you might stop making a pr@t of yourself.
Following the arrival of Europeans, Haiti's indigenous population suffered near-extinction, in possibly the worst case of depopulation in the Americas.
back to the 1st recorded occupation of haiti.
columbus discovers it and wipes out the indigenous people.
would be a case there for the white man perhaps being a bit ignorant and selfish when he wipes out an entire population?
or maybe the slavery a couple of centuries later?
back to the 1st recorded occupation of haiti.
columbus discovers it and wipes out the indigenous people.
would be a case there for the white man perhaps being a bit ignorant and selfish when he wipes out an entire population?
or maybe the slavery a couple of centuries later?
boxingthefox.
i dont presume nor insult you.
and i wont be lowered to your level by beginning to do so now.
good day to you sir
i dont presume nor insult you.
and i wont be lowered to your level by beginning to do so now.
good day to you sir
Fair enough stevie_p, I apologise for the insult, but urge you not to assimilate a few paragraphs from Wiki and proffer it as an example of exploitation World wide, and what about Papa doc??
Columbus knew nothing about germs.
The first slaves sent to 'the Americas' were white. Some of the first slave owners there were black.
The black slaves who followed were purchased from Arabs who in turn had purchased them from blacks. The blacks got them by capture, usually in war but sometimes simply by catching local criminals. Most of their slaves weren't sold on, slavery was a way of life in Africa.
The word Cannibal derives from the word Caribbean because that's what the locals were when Columbus et al got there.
It's not only white men who are bad.
The first slaves sent to 'the Americas' were white. Some of the first slave owners there were black.
The black slaves who followed were purchased from Arabs who in turn had purchased them from blacks. The blacks got them by capture, usually in war but sometimes simply by catching local criminals. Most of their slaves weren't sold on, slavery was a way of life in Africa.
The word Cannibal derives from the word Caribbean because that's what the locals were when Columbus et al got there.
It's not only white men who are bad.
Yes, but they do it so well, look at Terry Thomas.
BillKiller, spot on, people who play the Slave card, rarely know the history.
Haitian Earthquake: Made in the USA
Why the Blood Is on Our Hands
by Ted Rall
As grim accounts of the earthquake in Haiti came in, the accounts in U.S.-controlled state media all carried the same descriptive sentence: "Haiti is the poorest country in the Western hemisphere..."
Gee, I wonder how that happened?
You'd think Haiti would be loaded. After all, it made a lot of people rich.
How did Haiti get so poor? Despite a century of American colonialism, occupation, and propping up corrupt dictators? Even though the CIA staged coups d'état against every democratically elected president they ever had?
It's an important question. An earthquake isn't just an earthquake. The same 7.0 tremor hitting San Francisco wouldn't kill nearly as many people as in Port-au-Prince.
"Looking at the pictures, essentially it looks as if (the buildings are of) breezeblock or cinderblock construction, and what you need in an earthquake zone is metal bars that connect the blocks so that they stay together when they get shaken," notes Sandy Steacey, director of the Environmental Science Research Institute at the University of Ulster in Northern Ireland. "In a wealthy country with good seismic building codes that are enforced, you would have some damage, but not very much."
When a pile of cinderblocks falls on you, your odds of survival are long. Even if you miraculously survive, a poor country like Haiti doesn't have the equipment, communications infrastructure or emergency service personnel to pull you out of the rubble in time. And if your neighbors get you out, there's no ambulance to take you to the hospital--or doctor to treat you once you get there.
Earthquakes are random events. How many people they kill is predetermined. In Haiti this week, don't blame tectonic plates. Ninety-nine percent of the death toll is attributable to poverty.
So the question is relevant. How'd Haiti become so poor?
The story begins in 1910, when a U.S. State Department-National City Bank of New York (now called Citibank) consortium bought the Banque National d'Haïti--Haiti's only commercial bank and its national treasury--in effect transferring Haiti's debts to the Americans. Five years later, President Woodrow Wilson ordered troops to occupy the country in order to keep tabs on "our" investment.
From 1915 to 1934, the U.S. Marines imposed harsh military occupation, murdered Haitians patriots and diverted 40 percent of Haiti's gross domestic product to U.S. bankers. Haitians were banned from government jobs. Ambitious Haitians were shunted into the puppet military, setting the stage for a half-century of U.S.-backed military dictatorship.
The U.S. kept control of Haiti's finances until 1947.
Still--why should Haitians complain? Sure, we stole 40 percent of Haiti's national wealth for 32 years. But we let them keep 60 percent.
Whiners.
Despite having been bled dry by American bankers and generals, civil disorder prevailed until 1957, when the CIA installed President-for-Life François "Papa Doc" Duvalier. Duvalier's brutal Tonton Macoutes paramilitary goon squads murdered at least 30,000 Haitians and drove educated people to flee into exile. But think of the cup as half-full: fewer people in the population means fewer people competing for the same jobs!
Upon Papa Doc's death in 1971, the torch passed to his even more dissolute 19-year-old son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier. The U.S., cool to Papa Doc in his later years, quickly warmed back up to his kleptomaniacal playboy heir. As the U.S. poured in arms and trained his army as a supposed anti-communist bulwark against Castro's Cuba, Baby Doc stole an estimated $300 to $800 million from the national treasury, according to Transparency International. The money was placed in personal accounts in Switzerland and elsewhere.
Under U.S. influence, Baby Doc virtually eliminated import tariffs for U.S. goods. Soon Haiti was awash predatory agricultural imports dumped by American firms. Domestic rice farmers went bankrupt. A nation that had been agriculturally self-sustaining collapsed. Farms were abandoned. Hundreds of thousands of farmers migrated to the teeming slums of Port-au-Prince.
The Duvalier era, 29 years in all, came to an end in 1986 when President Ronald Reagan ordered U.S. forces to whisk Baby Doc to exile in France, saving him from a popular uprising.
Once again, Haitians should thank Americans. Duvalierism was "tough love." Forcing Haitians to make do without their national treasury was our nice way or encouraging them to work harder, to lift themselves up by their bootstraps. Or, in this case, flipflops.
Anyway.
The U.S. has been all about tough love ever since. We twice deposed the populist and popular democratically-elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The second time, in 2004, we even gave him a free flight to the Central African Republic! (He says the CIA kidnapped him, but whatever.) Hey, he needed a rest. And it was kind of us to support a new government formed by former Tonton Macoutes.
Yet, despite everything we've done for Haiti, they're still a fourth-world failed state on a fault line.
And still, we haven't given up. American companies like Disney generously pay wages to their sweatshop workers of 28 cents an hour.
What more do these ingrates want?
Why the Blood Is on Our Hands
by Ted Rall
As grim accounts of the earthquake in Haiti came in, the accounts in U.S.-controlled state media all carried the same descriptive sentence: "Haiti is the poorest country in the Western hemisphere..."
Gee, I wonder how that happened?
You'd think Haiti would be loaded. After all, it made a lot of people rich.
How did Haiti get so poor? Despite a century of American colonialism, occupation, and propping up corrupt dictators? Even though the CIA staged coups d'état against every democratically elected president they ever had?
It's an important question. An earthquake isn't just an earthquake. The same 7.0 tremor hitting San Francisco wouldn't kill nearly as many people as in Port-au-Prince.
"Looking at the pictures, essentially it looks as if (the buildings are of) breezeblock or cinderblock construction, and what you need in an earthquake zone is metal bars that connect the blocks so that they stay together when they get shaken," notes Sandy Steacey, director of the Environmental Science Research Institute at the University of Ulster in Northern Ireland. "In a wealthy country with good seismic building codes that are enforced, you would have some damage, but not very much."
When a pile of cinderblocks falls on you, your odds of survival are long. Even if you miraculously survive, a poor country like Haiti doesn't have the equipment, communications infrastructure or emergency service personnel to pull you out of the rubble in time. And if your neighbors get you out, there's no ambulance to take you to the hospital--or doctor to treat you once you get there.
Earthquakes are random events. How many people they kill is predetermined. In Haiti this week, don't blame tectonic plates. Ninety-nine percent of the death toll is attributable to poverty.
So the question is relevant. How'd Haiti become so poor?
The story begins in 1910, when a U.S. State Department-National City Bank of New York (now called Citibank) consortium bought the Banque National d'Haïti--Haiti's only commercial bank and its national treasury--in effect transferring Haiti's debts to the Americans. Five years later, President Woodrow Wilson ordered troops to occupy the country in order to keep tabs on "our" investment.
From 1915 to 1934, the U.S. Marines imposed harsh military occupation, murdered Haitians patriots and diverted 40 percent of Haiti's gross domestic product to U.S. bankers. Haitians were banned from government jobs. Ambitious Haitians were shunted into the puppet military, setting the stage for a half-century of U.S.-backed military dictatorship.
The U.S. kept control of Haiti's finances until 1947.
Still--why should Haitians complain? Sure, we stole 40 percent of Haiti's national wealth for 32 years. But we let them keep 60 percent.
Whiners.
Despite having been bled dry by American bankers and generals, civil disorder prevailed until 1957, when the CIA installed President-for-Life François "Papa Doc" Duvalier. Duvalier's brutal Tonton Macoutes paramilitary goon squads murdered at least 30,000 Haitians and drove educated people to flee into exile. But think of the cup as half-full: fewer people in the population means fewer people competing for the same jobs!
Upon Papa Doc's death in 1971, the torch passed to his even more dissolute 19-year-old son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier. The U.S., cool to Papa Doc in his later years, quickly warmed back up to his kleptomaniacal playboy heir. As the U.S. poured in arms and trained his army as a supposed anti-communist bulwark against Castro's Cuba, Baby Doc stole an estimated $300 to $800 million from the national treasury, according to Transparency International. The money was placed in personal accounts in Switzerland and elsewhere.
Under U.S. influence, Baby Doc virtually eliminated import tariffs for U.S. goods. Soon Haiti was awash predatory agricultural imports dumped by American firms. Domestic rice farmers went bankrupt. A nation that had been agriculturally self-sustaining collapsed. Farms were abandoned. Hundreds of thousands of farmers migrated to the teeming slums of Port-au-Prince.
The Duvalier era, 29 years in all, came to an end in 1986 when President Ronald Reagan ordered U.S. forces to whisk Baby Doc to exile in France, saving him from a popular uprising.
Once again, Haitians should thank Americans. Duvalierism was "tough love." Forcing Haitians to make do without their national treasury was our nice way or encouraging them to work harder, to lift themselves up by their bootstraps. Or, in this case, flipflops.
Anyway.
The U.S. has been all about tough love ever since. We twice deposed the populist and popular democratically-elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The second time, in 2004, we even gave him a free flight to the Central African Republic! (He says the CIA kidnapped him, but whatever.) Hey, he needed a rest. And it was kind of us to support a new government formed by former Tonton Macoutes.
Yet, despite everything we've done for Haiti, they're still a fourth-world failed state on a fault line.
And still, we haven't given up. American companies like Disney generously pay wages to their sweatshop workers of 28 cents an hour.
What more do these ingrates want?
I thought we where talking to stevie_p not Ted Rall, and for that reason I'm out. If it makes you happy I will imagine that Papa Doc was a white man of Anglo Saxon origin ! !.
how did you know she tried hard at school to better herself and was not an inveterate shoplifter?
From 1915 to 1934, the U.S. Marines imposed harsh military occupation, murdered Haitians patriots and diverted 40 percent of Haiti's gross domestic product to U.S. bankers.
Sounds like norn iron under the Protestant Ascendancy.
Not a colour thing, then. Nothing personal, just money. With locals running the show for the benefit of their own tribe.
Sounds like norn iron under the Protestant Ascendancy.
Not a colour thing, then. Nothing personal, just money. With locals running the show for the benefit of their own tribe.
One of the best books I have read is the one about the black slave who
did a "Spartacus" and raised the slaves up to rebel up against their French
oppressors .The only succesful Slave revolt in History .
did a "Spartacus" and raised the slaves up to rebel up against their French
oppressors .The only succesful Slave revolt in History .
BillKiller 20 Jan 16:31
From 1915 to 1934, the U.S. Marines imposed harsh military occupation, murdered Haitians patriots and diverted 40 percent of Haiti's gross domestic product to U.S. bankers.
Sounds like norn iron under the Protestant Ascendancy.
=====
Aye your right ..Rome normally takes 100% . :-0
From 1915 to 1934, the U.S. Marines imposed harsh military occupation, murdered Haitians patriots and diverted 40 percent of Haiti's gross domestic product to U.S. bankers.
Sounds like norn iron under the Protestant Ascendancy.
=====
Aye your right ..Rome normally takes 100% . :-0
Correct again BillKiller, they called their Tonton Macoute the B Specials!!
whatever.
i know that more aid could of went there quicker than it did.
and that the reason it wasnt was due to money and political posturing for future money and power.
and all the while people were dying.
is that not enough?
what about the fat rich tourists frolicking in the sea a few miles from the capital?
http://www.thedailymaverick.co.za/article/2010-01-19-haiti-cruise-ships-dock-at-private-beach-for-fun-in-the-sun
2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22902512/
us and france partly responsible
http://www.hnn.us/articles/3694.html
i know that more aid could of went there quicker than it did.
and that the reason it wasnt was due to money and political posturing for future money and power.
and all the while people were dying.
is that not enough?
what about the fat rich tourists frolicking in the sea a few miles from the capital?
http://www.thedailymaverick.co.za/article/2010-01-19-haiti-cruise-ships-dock-at-private-beach-for-fun-in-the-sun
2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22902512/
us and france partly responsible
http://www.hnn.us/articles/3694.html
ohh begorrah , open up yer purse there Mrs Murphy and take out your last 2 coppers to be sure the Father is here with his hand out again ...
Joe Jordan, stop it, you are bringing back bad memories, lol, I fuc*ing hate the Catholic priests/Christian brothers with a vengeance.
Her father Osam, sister Samantha and brother Jeff had watched as she was felled by a bullet in the ruins of Marthely Seiee Street. There was nothing they could do.
They could have said ' Don't nick that stuff or you'll be shot.'
They could have said ' Don't nick that stuff or you'll be shot.'
I was talking to a coleague once, who was born in Barbados, and what she said shocked me. She said: "I'm glad they had the slave trade. I would hate to be an African."
For stevie_P a taster of what you don't know, from ....To Hell or Barbados - The Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland
For boxingthefox, what he doesn't tell you ...
That snippet he saw fit to cut and paste is taken from Stormfront, 'a white nationalist and supremacist neo-Nazi Internet forum that has been described as the Internet's first major hate site.' wikipaste
Hence the rather incongruous anti-semitic filth.
That snippet he saw fit to cut and paste is taken from Stormfront, 'a white nationalist and supremacist neo-Nazi Internet forum that has been described as the Internet's first major hate site.' wikipaste
Hence the rather incongruous anti-semitic filth.
orioles, if you want we can discuss "The Butchers Apron" another time, I'm sure you will find time to defend the indefensible. but right now I have to prepare an evening meal. Hope you are well btw.
Your point would be better made if you avoided referencing revolting sites like Stormfront.
Remember, I'm a wishy washy liberal.
Remember, I'm a wishy washy liberal.
"Remember, I'm a wishy washy liberal".... I promise not to hold that against you, lol, really got to go, .........later...........
LOL, I can't run you should know that, the kitchen is only a few mtrs away so I will now take a leisurely stroll. Now behave yourself you naughty person you.
urge you not to assimilate a few paragraphs from Wiki
Unattributed material lifted from Stormfront however, is evidence of a highly developed mind.
Unattributed material lifted from Stormfront however, is evidence of a highly developed mind.
Joe Jordan, you don't happen to remember the name of that book, I would love to read it.
I always thought the word slave was an adaptation of Slav
The English word slave derives - through Old French and Medieval Latin - from the medieval word for Slavic people of Central and Eastern Europe, who were the last ethnic group to be captured and enslaved in Central Europe.[7][8]
according to wiki
according to wiki
I always thought the word slave was an adaptation of Slav
From the french, esclave, I thought.
From the french, esclave, I thought.
The Magic Flea 20 Jan 18:58
The English word slave derives - through Old French and Medieval Latin - from the medieval word for Slavic people of Central and Eastern Europe, who were the last ethnic group to be captured and enslaved in Central Europe.[7][8]
according to wiki
thought it was along those lines.
The English word slave derives - through Old French and Medieval Latin - from the medieval word for Slavic people of Central and Eastern Europe, who were the last ethnic group to be captured and enslaved in Central Europe.[7][8]
according to wiki
thought it was along those lines.
Each day i watch coverage on the news im finding it harder and harder to watch. Truely disturbing the story of this girl being shot just for a few crappy pics.
sympathy??? shes a common thief, maybe shootin a tad harsh but shes still a thief and imo**
what a w@nker you are. id rather a common thief still around than you.
orioles 20 Jan 18:22
urge you not to assimilate a few paragraphs from Wiki
Unattributed material lifted from Stormfront however, is evidence of a highly developed mind.
Right, that dinner out of the way, I have not personally come across any one on here claiming to have a highly developed mind, save yourself perhaps?.
orioles, am I missing something here, you seem to have gone out of your way to interfere in the conversation between myself and Stevie_P, well it is an open forum, but why did you not even bother to comment on the actual subject as myself and others had before it became a "bash the white man thread", strange that.
If you disagree that Cromwell enslaved thousands of Irish and shipped them to the "West Indies" then that's your prerogative. If the source of the material is offensive to you, tough, I could not care less, it's the content that interests/bothers me.
You seem to have an agenda that escapes me, surely you're not one to hold a grudge.mmm, anyway, sorry to bother you at home, (you do live on here don't you) I won't be bothering with you again.
urge you not to assimilate a few paragraphs from Wiki
Unattributed material lifted from Stormfront however, is evidence of a highly developed mind.
Right, that dinner out of the way, I have not personally come across any one on here claiming to have a highly developed mind, save yourself perhaps?.
orioles, am I missing something here, you seem to have gone out of your way to interfere in the conversation between myself and Stevie_P, well it is an open forum, but why did you not even bother to comment on the actual subject as myself and others had before it became a "bash the white man thread", strange that.
If you disagree that Cromwell enslaved thousands of Irish and shipped them to the "West Indies" then that's your prerogative. If the source of the material is offensive to you, tough, I could not care less, it's the content that interests/bothers me.
You seem to have an agenda that escapes me, surely you're not one to hold a grudge.mmm, anyway, sorry to bother you at home, (you do live on here don't you) I won't be bothering with you again.
Oh dear indeed BC, just caught your footy thread, fkin hilarious, great stuff.
I don't like footie. I go on there now and again and bring up every post that has no response, which started miss big baps off tonight. :)
Now and again I start a GGGOOAALLLLLLLL thread.
I did this about two years ago while there was a BIG GAME on the telly. I wasn't even watching it but I started the thread, and by pure chance somebody scored one second after I posted.
Some bloke come on the thread and said 'What facking connection have you got ? You posted before it was in the net.'
I told him it cost £65 per week and I had just snapped up all the 9/4 on the team that scored.
He asked me who the IP was, I said I'd tell him after the match
He put 'ttt' on the thread about 100 facking times, thick**t. :^0
Now and again I start a GGGOOAALLLLLLLL thread.
I did this about two years ago while there was a BIG GAME on the telly. I wasn't even watching it but I started the thread, and by pure chance somebody scored one second after I posted.
Some bloke come on the thread and said 'What facking connection have you got ? You posted before it was in the net.'
I told him it cost £65 per week and I had just snapped up all the 9/4 on the team that scored.
He asked me who the IP was, I said I'd tell him after the match
He put 'ttt' on the thread about 100 facking times, thick**t. :^0
Let's talk frankly here. If the story is true... looting pictures in this situation? Darwin had a point. Sad for the family.
stevie_p 20 Jan 15:27
there will be many western reputable companies that will make money from this disaster.
there will be many rich people who will get richer on the back of this.
all amounts to the same crime.
this girls crime was her colour and her poverty and the natural disaster that happened around her.
Sadly not a truer word said
there will be many western reputable companies that will make money from this disaster.
there will be many rich people who will get richer on the back of this.
all amounts to the same crime.
this girls crime was her colour and her poverty and the natural disaster that happened around her.
Sadly not a truer word said
Big Charlie 20 Jan 22:17
I'm not feeling so good, but that made me laugh, cheers mate. :-)
I'm not feeling so good, but that made me laugh, cheers mate. :-)
Shooting looters a fairly common policy in times of emergency, even in 'civilised' countries. Not defending it at all, especially with minors, but I can't see how race is an issue here.
youd rather a common thief than a civilized citizen like me, shootin is a tad hard but you cant stick up for the burglary no matter how small,
Shooting looters a fairly common policy in times of emergency
I don't think it is, Sparky. We didn't do it, not even in the blitz and even the yanks-with-bare-arms didn't do it when New Orleans got flooded. FFS, even SA didn't do it. Much.
I don't think it is, Sparky. We didn't do it, not even in the blitz and even the yanks-with-bare-arms didn't do it when New Orleans got flooded. FFS, even SA didn't do it. Much.
There was a vidieo on youtuibe after Katrina, that showed looters in a hypermarket in New Orleans.
The bloke who was filiming rounded a corner and there were two cops with a trolley, looting with the crowd.
The bloke who was filiming rounded a corner and there were two cops with a trolley, looting with the crowd.
there was also a sign saying you loot we shoot on front of a dameged house.
Thanks foxy, nothing compared to what you've been through lately I noticed from another thread.
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