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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8470572.stm
Poor lady i feel very sorry for her i think they should change the laws about this.Why would somebody want to live life with severe brain damage.They should be given the choice to die or not. life is a bit harsh imo
Poor lady i feel very sorry for her i think they should change the laws about this.Why would somebody want to live life with severe brain damage.They should be given the choice to die or not. life is a bit harsh imo
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Definitely feel sorry for her, very traumatic time for her and the family obviously.
Life is very harsh. Especially when you have ppl killing their wives while 'sleepwalking' getting off free.
Life is very harsh. Especially when you have ppl killing their wives while 'sleepwalking' getting off free.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/4399832.stm
This woman got a suspended jail sentence for killing her son with down syndrome.It don`t seem fair some how
This woman got a suspended jail sentence for killing her son with down syndrome.It don`t seem fair some how
She should have got drunk, got in the car, and knocked him over. She would only get three years, and be out in one after good behaviour.
coin flip- let her go or execute her
either way its cheaper than imprisonment
either way its cheaper than imprisonment
the 10 jurors....the CPS and the judge should be taken out and horsewhipped imo
Suppose a father had murdered his daughter? Would anyone want to horsewhip the jury that convicted him?
lmfao - in point of fact execution is far more expensive in the US (for example) than life imprisonment because of the cost of the legal processes involved. HTH.
it was 2nd time lucky for her,did the same trick b4 and the poor sod survived then somehow shes allowed to go back to the hospital and do the job properly,she not the only one who should be jailed
Sib, execution wasn't very expensive here when you got three clear Sundays then a swing on a rope.
bill.....what difference does it make whether it was the father or mother.........the guy was severley brain damaged
She was given a minimum term of 9 years; normally would expect around 15. She will have to serve that though (unless appealed succesfully).
I don't know about these sorts of cases. She took it upon herself to make some pretty serious decisions. You can't be allowed to make life or death decisions on your own; and she went very much out of way to make sure it happened. It wouldn't be a good thing to treat "mercy" killings as okay; especiallyby individuals acting on their own instincts. It opens up a very unpleasant pandora's box imo.
I don't know about these sorts of cases. She took it upon herself to make some pretty serious decisions. You can't be allowed to make life or death decisions on your own; and she went very much out of way to make sure it happened. It wouldn't be a good thing to treat "mercy" killings as okay; especiallyby individuals acting on their own instincts. It opens up a very unpleasant pandora's box imo.
Perhaps not Bill, but I assume you have no problem in the modern era with an exhaustive appeal procedure before carrying out executions. Or is the cunning plan both to bring back capital punishment and curtail the right to appeal at the same time?
Cardiff, a man who kills his daughter gets far less support than a mother who kills her son. There is a built-in bias in favour of women that makes people believe the woman 'must have been driven' to do it. That's nonsense.
This woman (if the story is to be believed) isn't a criminal or a murderer in the normal sense of the word.
Her son was in a coma with brain injuries having fallen from the back of an ambulance.
She believed he was in terrible pain, and it was being ignored - She believed he was 'locked-in'. A horrible situation for her.
Bill, not everything is biased in favour of women, you know. She has been harshly treated, and had it been a father doing the same for his daughter I wouldn't have thought it would have been any different.
Her son was in a coma with brain injuries having fallen from the back of an ambulance.
She believed he was in terrible pain, and it was being ignored - She believed he was 'locked-in'. A horrible situation for her.
Bill, not everything is biased in favour of women, you know. She has been harshly treated, and had it been a father doing the same for his daughter I wouldn't have thought it would have been any different.
study - plainly it is no different whether she was a mum and a dad, she has been convicted after all. But, whatever she believed her son to be experiencing, she has no training, no detachment from the situation, no authority; but takes it upon herself to kill someone. Indeed, gets off for the first attempt, and comes back a second time.
We can't have people carrying out acts like this with no punishment, just because they felt it was justified. Where would it end?
We can't have people carrying out acts like this with no punishment, just because they felt it was justified. Where would it end?
This woman (if the story is to be believed) isn't a criminal or a murderer in the normal sense of the word.
Whats the normal sense of the word?
You can't just go around kiling your son/daughter because they are disabled and may be in a bad state.
Whats the normal sense of the word?
You can't just go around kiling your son/daughter because they are disabled and may be in a bad state.
Sib, I agree with your post of 21:37.
As for capital punishment, I don't oppose appeals but 20 years of them is madness.
However, it makes sense to have life imprisonment instead of execution just in case something turns up to get the guy off, but life should mean life and prison should mean a place of suffering. Forget the rubbish about loss of liberty being the punishment, make the prison very bleak and uncomfortable.
As for capital punishment, I don't oppose appeals but 20 years of them is madness.
However, it makes sense to have life imprisonment instead of execution just in case something turns up to get the guy off, but life should mean life and prison should mean a place of suffering. Forget the rubbish about loss of liberty being the punishment, make the prison very bleak and uncomfortable.
Study, she gave herself the 'right' to kill. I wouldn't give that right to a panel of doctors nevermind a silly cow who thinks she knows better. She planned it, and even threatened to give the staff Aids.
It wasn't a random act, sib. It was (I don't know, but would think) a last resort, to put her son out of his misery. Yet she gets penalised with a sentence associated with much worse 'crimes'.
I realise she took the law into her own hands, but there seem to have been extenuating circumstances. Not unlike the situation with the bloke who hit the burglar with the cricket bat getting 2.5 years.
I realise she took the law into her own hands, but there seem to have been extenuating circumstances. Not unlike the situation with the bloke who hit the burglar with the cricket bat getting 2.5 years.
Just out of interest bill...
she's a 'sillycow' what's a bloke who does the same? :)
she's a 'sillycow' what's a bloke who does the same? :)
Don't inflict suffering, leave that sort of behaviour to the criminals themselves. It reduces the state to their level. Lock them up, the obvious ones we can't argue about like Ian Huntley, and ignore them. Give them no cause for complaint, no publicity, no anything. Ignored forever, least harm done.
study - she took it upon herself to take a view on his quality of life and impose the ultimate sanction. she was writing her own laws, you can't have a society run like that.
If anything, it is a good case to argue that the judge should have more discretion in sentencing. Once a murder conviction is given, and lets face it, it was murder; a judge is forced to give a life sentence. He imposed the lowest minimum he could get away with at 9 years (15 would have been the starting point), but that was the judge's only discretion because of legislation.
If anything, it is a good case to argue that the judge should have more discretion in sentencing. Once a murder conviction is given, and lets face it, it was murder; a judge is forced to give a life sentence. He imposed the lowest minimum he could get away with at 9 years (15 would have been the starting point), but that was the judge's only discretion because of legislation.
Don't inflict suffering
Sib, suffering is sometimes the only language that some people understand. You can't have a moral argument with everybody, there are always those who believe that their wants outweigh your wants, even if that means taking your life.
Knowing that prison is a hellish place to be (word soon gets around) would make the crime rate drop like a stone.
Sib, suffering is sometimes the only language that some people understand. You can't have a moral argument with everybody, there are always those who believe that their wants outweigh your wants, even if that means taking your life.
Knowing that prison is a hellish place to be (word soon gets around) would make the crime rate drop like a stone.
There is nothing to support that. And it seems unlikely to me that a really vile murderer, a Huntley type, considers is actions on a pro's and con basis. He is just acting according to his most carnal instincts irrespective of the consequences. Do you think he would relish 50 years inside as a child murderer? These things don't get considered particularly.
but if the state sanctions suffering, it seeps out into the real world as people take action themselves in their own circumstances. It sort of gets justified.
but if the state sanctions suffering, it seeps out into the real world as people take action themselves in their own circumstances. It sort of gets justified.
Coachbuster 20 Jan 17:06
said on the news ,she was 'off her head ' ?
Marie Antoinette?
said on the news ,she was 'off her head ' ?
Marie Antoinette?
The law is an ass.
I saved a man from drowning but they put me away for 5 years.
I saved a man from drowning but they put me away for 5 years.
did you save him by taking your foot of his head though?
Huntley wouldn't have been put off by life in a harsh environment but others would. Furthermore, the relatives of his victims would have some satisfaction in knowing his every minute was misery.
As for the low-grade criminals, the chancers, they would reassess the risk:reward ratio and that's where the major reduction in crime would come from. A smaller reduction would come from the fact that serious criminals, once caught, would never be able to offend again.
As for the low-grade criminals, the chancers, they would reassess the risk:reward ratio and that's where the major reduction in crime would come from. A smaller reduction would come from the fact that serious criminals, once caught, would never be able to offend again.
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