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Dan Chipowski 18 Jan 02:32
walofs
wat on earth is that meant to mean, sounds like a dogs bark
walofs
wat on earth is that meant to mean, sounds like a dogs bark
a week ago Haiti was a total mess, I didn't care then.
today Haiti is a total mess, I don't care now.
I know it seems heartless, but i'd rather donate my money to cancer research uk than all of a sudden be a "humanitarian" and pretend I care about these people.
today Haiti is a total mess, I don't care now.
I know it seems heartless, but i'd rather donate my money to cancer research uk than all of a sudden be a "humanitarian" and pretend I care about these people.
Exactly. It's a load of nonsense for the best part. Another excuse to milk money out of us to try and make us feel like we've done something good, but the cynical and cruel side of me says a few things.
1) An earthquake is a natural disaster. Should the UN etc not have a natural disaster fund by now that covers the cost of even the most tragic disasters?
2) The British government, thanks to Gordon, have already wasted another £6 million+. Where do such numbers come from? That's money that British people have no doubt already paid in Tax.
3) Earthquakes will continue to happen. Donating money on this occasion will do what for next time again?
4) People in many parts of the world live in terrible conditions. I live my life, as good as it is, without any feeling of sadness or remorse for others 99% of the time despite knowing what goes on in the world, so why should I change now and donate any money?
I feel nothing for people who I know largely nothing about. No one caused this, no one wished this upon anyone, but should we all donate? Of course not, certainly not in a time where so much money has and is wasted by government's all over the world.
1) An earthquake is a natural disaster. Should the UN etc not have a natural disaster fund by now that covers the cost of even the most tragic disasters?
2) The British government, thanks to Gordon, have already wasted another £6 million+. Where do such numbers come from? That's money that British people have no doubt already paid in Tax.
3) Earthquakes will continue to happen. Donating money on this occasion will do what for next time again?
4) People in many parts of the world live in terrible conditions. I live my life, as good as it is, without any feeling of sadness or remorse for others 99% of the time despite knowing what goes on in the world, so why should I change now and donate any money?
I feel nothing for people who I know largely nothing about. No one caused this, no one wished this upon anyone, but should we all donate? Of course not, certainly not in a time where so much money has and is wasted by government's all over the world.
A view many would share deep down but are unwilling to publicly state.
Everything in life is a competition, thus including morals, so now we have this modern perversion where people spend their entire life competing in a bizarre type of moral olympics.
Instead of living a life based on a solid concept of morality, people can only gain a sense of moral worth by defeating their fellow human in a never ending moral war.
I put £1 into the charity box, you put £2. I say i care about someone, you say you really care about them etc etc.
We don't care that much about people outside of our own network (family, friends, local community) because it's simply not practical to do so, in fact it is only a very recent phenomenon in human history that we are actually made aware of the suffering of others outside of our local area.
If we were to be genuinely concerned about all people then we would be guaranteeing ourselves a life of misery, every moment of our lives would be spent worrying about the millions of people around the world who are suffering at that given moment, it would be unbearable.
Everything in life is a competition, thus including morals, so now we have this modern perversion where people spend their entire life competing in a bizarre type of moral olympics.
Instead of living a life based on a solid concept of morality, people can only gain a sense of moral worth by defeating their fellow human in a never ending moral war.
I put £1 into the charity box, you put £2. I say i care about someone, you say you really care about them etc etc.
We don't care that much about people outside of our own network (family, friends, local community) because it's simply not practical to do so, in fact it is only a very recent phenomenon in human history that we are actually made aware of the suffering of others outside of our local area.
If we were to be genuinely concerned about all people then we would be guaranteeing ourselves a life of misery, every moment of our lives would be spent worrying about the millions of people around the world who are suffering at that given moment, it would be unbearable.
Just to chime in with Jose here. OP You're asking me to Remember people i never knew in the first place. Explain to me how that works again?
We're all on a site named Betfair remember. Why, because whether we do it for fun or seriously we've gambled some of our money to try and win more? That's the logical take. If we all felt that strongly about helping others generally, we would never have invested such money.
The world would be a very very callous and heartless place if such attitudes as those on display here wer epropogated. What shall we tell our children? not to care, to lose all their compassion? I am by no means saying there is an obligation to donate and be charitable and I'd be wrong if I 'remembered' teh victims this w/e as I didnt give them a thought. But to be so dismissive of events is cold. Yes there are disasters happening globally on a daily basis and no we wont hear about them all due to media manipulation, but thats just the world we live in. I think its wrong to chastise the thread starter for what is a noble cause tbh. Not evryones cup of tea such appeals.
btw Cancer is a naturally occurring disease and the victims of such are probably no more 'deserving' of such aid. - Thats just playing devils advocate, not neccessarily my personal opinion.
In short why shouldnt people help if they can and want to?
btw Cancer is a naturally occurring disease and the victims of such are probably no more 'deserving' of such aid. - Thats just playing devils advocate, not neccessarily my personal opinion.
In short why shouldnt people help if they can and want to?
can't lifestyle also play a part in many cancers
not just smoking
so many cancer sufferers will have helped bring it on themselves
i suppose it can be argued that earthquakes victims could be blamed for living near a fault line
so **** everyone right?
it's pleasing to know that most people don't feel the same as the majority of posters on this thread
because the human race is decent in the main
it's actually a very small minority who are vermin and i'm lucky enough not to know any of them :)
not just smoking
so many cancer sufferers will have helped bring it on themselves
i suppose it can be argued that earthquakes victims could be blamed for living near a fault line
so **** everyone right?
it's pleasing to know that most people don't feel the same as the majority of posters on this thread
because the human race is decent in the main
it's actually a very small minority who are vermin and i'm lucky enough not to know any of them :)
aye cb.
The cancer comment wasnt really meant as a discussion point, I was just playing Devils Advocate there. My point really being that we each of us choose who and what we donate to, and none of these are wrong and none should be criticised. Some people give money to animal homes, which in the grand scheme of things is rather un-important but there has to be a balance in the world. Also who and what people donate to is often dictated by personal circumstance and history.
The cancer comment wasnt really meant as a discussion point, I was just playing Devils Advocate there. My point really being that we each of us choose who and what we donate to, and none of these are wrong and none should be criticised. Some people give money to animal homes, which in the grand scheme of things is rather un-important but there has to be a balance in the world. Also who and what people donate to is often dictated by personal circumstance and history.
i know it wasn't meant for discussion lol
i was just extending the point of playing devil's advocate to highlight how retarded these people are
i was just extending the point of playing devil's advocate to highlight how retarded these people are
tho if they actually believe what they're saying they must have had an awful childhood
i mean what sort of people would raise something like that?
i mean what sort of people would raise something like that?
indeed, I do think though that to a degree people are merely being controversial or its some kind of 'look at me I dont give to impverished haitians' comment or something!
canaryboy
it's actually a very small minority who are vermin and i'm lucky enough not to know any of them
Miove to east London, you'll meet some there.
Child of the Rafalution
canaryboy i was just extending the point of playing devil's advocate to highlight how retarded these people are
Racist
Canaryboy
tho if they actually believe what they're saying they must have had an awful childhood i mean what sort of people would raise something like that?
Go to east London and survey the thousands of afro-carribeans...
see how much they've sent.
it's actually a very small minority who are vermin and i'm lucky enough not to know any of them
Miove to east London, you'll meet some there.
Child of the Rafalution
canaryboy i was just extending the point of playing devil's advocate to highlight how retarded these people are
Racist
Canaryboy
tho if they actually believe what they're saying they must have had an awful childhood i mean what sort of people would raise something like that?
Go to east London and survey the thousands of afro-carribeans...
see how much they've sent.
JOSE93 18 Jan 04:09
Exactly. It's a load of nonsense for the best part. Another excuse to milk money out of us to try and make us feel like we've done something good, but the cynical and cruel side of me says a few things.
No-one is milking money from anyone, if there is a better use for your money than helping someone who has no food or water and has just lost everything and everyone they had, I'd like to know what it is.
1) An earthquake is a natural disaster. Should the UN etc not have a natural disaster fund by now that covers the cost of even the most tragic disasters?
It does, and it provides much help - This disaster is on a massive scale tho.
2) The British government, thanks to Gordon, have already wasted another £6 million+. Where do such numbers come from? That's money that British people have no doubt already paid in Tax.
Self-centred, ignorant, rubbish statement
3) Earthquakes will continue to happen. Donating money on this occasion will do what for next time again?
So that's alright then - sod 'em, eh? They're unimportant, and they're 'over there'. If the earthquake had been under YOUR house, you would soon have asked for help, and wondered why this is happening to YOU, and rightly so.
4) People in many parts of the world live in terrible conditions. I live my life, as good as it is, without any feeling of sadness or remorse for others 99% of the time despite knowing what goes on in the world, so why should I change now and donate any money?
Because then you would be less of a selfish barstad, and it would show you to possess a little empathy.
I feel nothing for people who I know largely nothing about. No one caused this, no one wished this upon anyone, but should we all donate? Of course not, certainly not in a time where so much money has and is wasted by government's all over the world.
Governments waste money, companies waste money, you waste money - we all do.
WTF has that got to do with 10's of 1000's of people's suffering not needing some relief.
I cannot believe some of the stuff I'm reading on this forum regarding the Haitian Earthquake.
No-one is asking anybody to do anything, except maybe, if they don't mind putting some spare cash in - some of which even at the most cynical guess, might do SOME good.
Some of you deserve the same fate the poor sods in Haiti are suffering, and frankly if it happened to you I'd like to think, through some sort of Karma, nobody would care, and you could wallow in it.
Exactly. It's a load of nonsense for the best part. Another excuse to milk money out of us to try and make us feel like we've done something good, but the cynical and cruel side of me says a few things.
No-one is milking money from anyone, if there is a better use for your money than helping someone who has no food or water and has just lost everything and everyone they had, I'd like to know what it is.
1) An earthquake is a natural disaster. Should the UN etc not have a natural disaster fund by now that covers the cost of even the most tragic disasters?
It does, and it provides much help - This disaster is on a massive scale tho.
2) The British government, thanks to Gordon, have already wasted another £6 million+. Where do such numbers come from? That's money that British people have no doubt already paid in Tax.
Self-centred, ignorant, rubbish statement
3) Earthquakes will continue to happen. Donating money on this occasion will do what for next time again?
So that's alright then - sod 'em, eh? They're unimportant, and they're 'over there'. If the earthquake had been under YOUR house, you would soon have asked for help, and wondered why this is happening to YOU, and rightly so.
4) People in many parts of the world live in terrible conditions. I live my life, as good as it is, without any feeling of sadness or remorse for others 99% of the time despite knowing what goes on in the world, so why should I change now and donate any money?
Because then you would be less of a selfish barstad, and it would show you to possess a little empathy.
I feel nothing for people who I know largely nothing about. No one caused this, no one wished this upon anyone, but should we all donate? Of course not, certainly not in a time where so much money has and is wasted by government's all over the world.
Governments waste money, companies waste money, you waste money - we all do.
WTF has that got to do with 10's of 1000's of people's suffering not needing some relief.
I cannot believe some of the stuff I'm reading on this forum regarding the Haitian Earthquake.
No-one is asking anybody to do anything, except maybe, if they don't mind putting some spare cash in - some of which even at the most cynical guess, might do SOME good.
Some of you deserve the same fate the poor sods in Haiti are suffering, and frankly if it happened to you I'd like to think, through some sort of Karma, nobody would care, and you could wallow in it.
As Brits - Gordon is giving your money in AID. As reluctant Europeans - Gordon is giving your money in AID. And now you want to give more of your own money in aid?
IF I recall correctly the Tsunami fund ended up with more than it could use. Do call again when they run out of aid funds from the world's wealthy please.
IF I recall correctly the Tsunami fund ended up with more than it could use. Do call again when they run out of aid funds from the world's wealthy please.
99% of people on this forum don't know where Haiti is.
My car was frozen on my drive over xmas. Where were the good people of Haiti in my hour of need?
My car was frozen on my drive over xmas. Where were the good people of Haiti in my hour of need?
If the earthquake had been under YOUR house, you would soon have asked for help, and wondered why this is happening to YOU, and rightly so.
We has a major tremor up here last year.
The damage ran into the realms of £2-99p, I never asked the govt for anything, and nobody sent me anything.
Bastids
We has a major tremor up here last year.
The damage ran into the realms of £2-99p, I never asked the govt for anything, and nobody sent me anything.
Bastids
the bottom line - if you dont care enough then feel free to continue in your own selfish existance.
the bottom line - if you dont care enough then feel free to continue in your own selfish existance.
I sent 20 quid to UNICEF.
Anyone fortunate enough to live in our privileged and wealthy society here in the western world (England in my case)that doesn't manage to scrape a few quid together for their fellow human beings
is just a not very nice person.
You may try to justify your callous attitude with some fancy words,but the bottom line is you are just a tw@t for not feeling some compassion for those people.
Anyone fortunate enough to live in our privileged and wealthy society here in the western world (England in my case)that doesn't manage to scrape a few quid together for their fellow human beings
is just a not very nice person.
You may try to justify your callous attitude with some fancy words,but the bottom line is you are just a tw@t for not feeling some compassion for those people.
Looked terribly dusty.
I sent my my old vacuum cleaner.
I sent my my old vacuum cleaner.
imo best to give money in a years time. otherwise it could get swallowed up in some fund and not used effectively
Lets get a few things clear for those who aren't clever to understand the underlying points here.
I live in the UK with Gordon Brown as an unelected Prime Minster and he has donated £6 million pound of our money in a time of economic disaster? What's he done for those who suffer in the UK? The man is spending £6 million of our money on a natural disaster whilst allowing many other people to suffer by continuing the Iraq and Afghanistan war. And how can I help those people? Wait, I can't because he's a part of why so many people also lost everything in those countries through a decision to hurt civilians. And I should donate, when, if those wars were ended he could have donated more. YES or NO? So know you can all see the relation of wasting money needlessly by governments.
I live in the UK with Gordon Brown as an unelected Prime Minster and he has donated £6 million pound of our money in a time of economic disaster? What's he done for those who suffer in the UK? The man is spending £6 million of our money on a natural disaster whilst allowing many other people to suffer by continuing the Iraq and Afghanistan war. And how can I help those people? Wait, I can't because he's a part of why so many people also lost everything in those countries through a decision to hurt civilians. And I should donate, when, if those wars were ended he could have donated more. YES or NO? So know you can all see the relation of wasting money needlessly by governments.
i read that and just feel pity
you must have suffered a great deal to feel such bitterness
i hope you get better
you must have suffered a great deal to feel such bitterness
i hope you get better
What has who voted for a prime minister got to do with people of Haiti, who are now starving, injured, and suffering losses in ways you cannot comprehend, Jose?
You come across across as a typical tory twunt as seen regularly on the politics forum. Are you another regular tory keyboard warrior with another name-change?
It doesn't matter what the subject or problem, or where in the world it is, there is always some arsshole on here saying "It's Gordon Brown's fault" "I didn't elect him"
This is crap too. Our government was elected - by the system in place, the leader was changed, there wasn't a guerilla-led coup.
In any case the only real problem being discussed here is that of the Haitians. And you don't care.
Well, bully for you.
You come across across as a typical tory twunt as seen regularly on the politics forum. Are you another regular tory keyboard warrior with another name-change?
It doesn't matter what the subject or problem, or where in the world it is, there is always some arsshole on here saying "It's Gordon Brown's fault" "I didn't elect him"
This is crap too. Our government was elected - by the system in place, the leader was changed, there wasn't a guerilla-led coup.
In any case the only real problem being discussed here is that of the Haitians. And you don't care.
Well, bully for you.
How can you compare the so called poor in the UK with the people of haiti.
Money isn't a problem for them is it - they ain't run out of money - they need resources and they can't get the resources (that they have) delivered can they. Your donations are going into a big pot somewhere - not to the tragic Haitians.
The resources are paid for by 'the money'. Transporting them is paid for with 'the money'. The people there have lost EVERYTHING, and will need 'the money' to rebuild some sort of life.
I see BabyDoc is donating 5 million of his own money. Give it a year and he will be back as president.
..and the donations so far have totallyed what? Has ANYONE said they don't have enough money to provide?
If i was a dictator i would wish to be known by something more manly than 'baby Doc' imo
Jesus Christ Ivor.
Were screwed so screw you too? is that it?
Were screwed so screw you too? is that it?
Are you totally dumb or what! At NO point has anyone said they are unable to provided due to lack of funds. There are hundreds of countries' in this world, hundreds of charitable organisations - multi-million corporations all giving. Ease your conscience donating a fiver if you wish. This preoccupation with one disaster is another disaster for other charities all over the world.
Im sure there are many worthy humanitarian causes in need of money all around the world, almost impossible to donate to every one unless you are fairly well off.
All the afro-caribeans in London are having a whip round to send money to their 'bros' in Haiti.
How much do you think they'll raise ?
How much do you think they'll raise ?
You are a very angry, bitter and racist piece of 5hit Charlie.
For poker players, an easy way to donate is by registering for a "dummy" tourney on stars, they start from one dollar, cheers.
Mr Eboue 18 Jan 18:42
You are a very angry, bitter and racist piece of 5hit Charlie.
I'm not angry, bitter or a piece of sh1t, but you are a grade 'A' tw@t.
It was a simple question, but too hard for you apprently.
How much wi;l the afro-carribbeans in London raise ?
You are a very angry, bitter and racist piece of 5hit Charlie.
I'm not angry, bitter or a piece of sh1t, but you are a grade 'A' tw@t.
It was a simple question, but too hard for you apprently.
How much wi;l the afro-carribbeans in London raise ?
Any excuse to play the race card Charlie.
You are boring beyond belief.
If there was a thread asking your favourite drink you'd find a way to have a pop at some ethnic minority.
Its embarassing. You need counselling.
You are boring beyond belief.
If there was a thread asking your favourite drink you'd find a way to have a pop at some ethnic minority.
Its embarassing. You need counselling.
Imo if people want to give fine, if not also fine.
I'm giving them f**k all. I'm not interested. It isn't my job to sort this mess out. Governments should be helping if they feel so moved. It isn't the job of individuals to sort this out.
I'm giving them f**k all. I'm not interested. It isn't my job to sort this mess out. Governments should be helping if they feel so moved. It isn't the job of individuals to sort this out.
I think those people who decdie to contribute sould keep quiet, for fear of offending the ones who think it is a waste of money and none of their business.
And those who don't give any money should also keep schtum, lest they upset the ones that think this is a heartless attitude.
What does seem clear is that these Haitian people didn't have a gnat's knacker between them before the earthquake. The politicians didn't seem so concerned then.
And those who don't give any money should also keep schtum, lest they upset the ones that think this is a heartless attitude.
What does seem clear is that these Haitian people didn't have a gnat's knacker between them before the earthquake. The politicians didn't seem so concerned then.
My favourite drink is tea.
Probably comes from India :^0
Probably comes from India :^0
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STUDYFORM 18 Jan 13:55
What has who voted for a prime minister got to do with people of Haiti, who are now starving, injured, and suffering losses in ways you cannot comprehend, Jose?
What, because there are people in two countries who have suffered needlessly. I bet they have great lives too.... I don't care for the people of Haiti as such, no, because I have no personal attachment, but how much do we all care for those who have died in wars in recent years?
You come across across as a typical tory twunt as seen regularly on the politics forum. Are you another regular tory keyboard warrior with another name-change?
No, never posted on the politics forum. I am a Conservative party supporter though.
It doesn't matter what the subject or problem, or where in the world it is, there is always some arsshole on here saying "It's Gordon Brown's fault" "I didn't elect him"
This is crap too. Our government was elected - by the system in place, the leader was changed, there wasn't a guerilla-led coup.
In any case the only real problem being discussed here is that of the Haitians. And you don't care.
Yes it is HIS fault. Because, whilst I don't care too much as there's no proof my money would get spent well if I donated, and whilst I'm not too fussed about Haiti in general, if the government wish to donate British taxpayers money for such a disaster, it's time they got their own humanitarian efforts firmly in order with two particular countries before letting Gordon appear as a saviour for donating £6 million. If the money spent on those two war's in particular had been saved, then perhaps the people of Haiti would have been better off already for those who do care more than me.
What truly gets me as well is the shocking British media. They use donation appeals to make stories and to make money, when at the same time begging us to donate more money. Begging, guilt and desperation to jump on the bandwagon is all they use rather than trying to make ordinary British citizens feel compelled to donate money.
Then again, like someone else said, the people of Haiti were suffering a long time before the earthquake, and what were we all doing then? Nothing - 99.5% of us probably were.
What has who voted for a prime minister got to do with people of Haiti, who are now starving, injured, and suffering losses in ways you cannot comprehend, Jose?
What, because there are people in two countries who have suffered needlessly. I bet they have great lives too.... I don't care for the people of Haiti as such, no, because I have no personal attachment, but how much do we all care for those who have died in wars in recent years?
You come across across as a typical tory twunt as seen regularly on the politics forum. Are you another regular tory keyboard warrior with another name-change?
No, never posted on the politics forum. I am a Conservative party supporter though.
It doesn't matter what the subject or problem, or where in the world it is, there is always some arsshole on here saying "It's Gordon Brown's fault" "I didn't elect him"
This is crap too. Our government was elected - by the system in place, the leader was changed, there wasn't a guerilla-led coup.
In any case the only real problem being discussed here is that of the Haitians. And you don't care.
Yes it is HIS fault. Because, whilst I don't care too much as there's no proof my money would get spent well if I donated, and whilst I'm not too fussed about Haiti in general, if the government wish to donate British taxpayers money for such a disaster, it's time they got their own humanitarian efforts firmly in order with two particular countries before letting Gordon appear as a saviour for donating £6 million. If the money spent on those two war's in particular had been saved, then perhaps the people of Haiti would have been better off already for those who do care more than me.
What truly gets me as well is the shocking British media. They use donation appeals to make stories and to make money, when at the same time begging us to donate more money. Begging, guilt and desperation to jump on the bandwagon is all they use rather than trying to make ordinary British citizens feel compelled to donate money.
Then again, like someone else said, the people of Haiti were suffering a long time before the earthquake, and what were we all doing then? Nothing - 99.5% of us probably were.
* Begging, guilt and desperation to jump on the bandwagon is all they use in an attempt make ordinary British citizens feel compelled to donate money rather than focusing on our own government.
I did read that the city of Liverpool is sending a task force to help with the looting, which is nice.
I've donated what I can afford to our office whip round.
Has bono sold his plane yet and generously given all the proceeds?
Has bono sold his plane yet and generously given all the proceeds?
JOSE93 18 Jan 13:43
Lets get a few things clear for those who aren't clever to understand the underlying points here.
I live in the UK with Gordon Brown as an unelected Prime Minster
Back in 1940 you would have been able to say "I live in the UK with Winston Churchill as an unelected Prime Minster".
Admittedly Brown didn't immediately suspend General Elections like Churchill did but you can see the similarities. Then there were the other "unlected" tory prime ministers Alec Douglas-Home and John Major who were in no rush to call a General Election.
I suppose Labour is simply copying the well-established tactics of toryism. It's a pity, I agree, but hardly a reason to cast in your lot with slimy davey.
Lets get a few things clear for those who aren't clever to understand the underlying points here.
I live in the UK with Gordon Brown as an unelected Prime Minster
Back in 1940 you would have been able to say "I live in the UK with Winston Churchill as an unelected Prime Minster".
Admittedly Brown didn't immediately suspend General Elections like Churchill did but you can see the similarities. Then there were the other "unlected" tory prime ministers Alec Douglas-Home and John Major who were in no rush to call a General Election.
I suppose Labour is simply copying the well-established tactics of toryism. It's a pity, I agree, but hardly a reason to cast in your lot with slimy davey.
Don't worry for those of us who haven't and won't donate - Gordon's raised Britain's contribution to £20 million, although he obviously considers this tragedy less significant than the Tsunami of 2004 as Britain donated £75 million then. How they work out how much and why that much I'll never know.
I see - use wrongs from the past to justify wrongs today - yeah, like that, good one!
I don't agree with the principal of how the political system works in regards to leaders. But, for now, Gordon remains "unelected."
No, Ivor, I merely point to the last tory prime minister as an example of how our system works. Brown wasn't imposed on the people, they voted for Labour and got Labour. Soon they will vote tory and get, (drum roll) Labour again. There is no longer any difference except that the tories claim expenses for posher houses.
I'll not be arguing with ya tonite - but there is a WORLD of difference between the Tories and Labour - and I'm keen to see it in action soonest :)
All female shortlists. Proposals for ethnic minority shortlists. Some world of difference.
May you never have to wear your ceiling on your head Jose93 you smug so and so.
Say whatever you want about me. I don't personally feel the Haiti issue should be made into another "human" donation issue. I'm not particularly in favour of the British government donating taxpayers money in such a rash way. We started at £6 million and we're now at £18 million. Why? The UN need to improve their role as well. I've also said I can't feel personal attachment to those I don't know. I've also said the media use such things as guilt in a way in an attempt for more people to donate. Smug? Not really.
No ones 'made' it anything. It IS a human tragedy of huge proportions. While you sit there posting your smug tripe there are people either trapped beneath the remains of their homes or dieing of thirst and/or starvation.
Jose, This isn't about "feeling sorry for some poor Haitians"
It is a disaster on a massive scale, with the attached misery.
It has NOTHING to do with domestic politics, it's a humanitarian situation, to do with caring if others are suffering.
Gallivanter - 1st you help me with a quiz, then I find myself agreeing with you. There's hope for us all ;)
It is a disaster on a massive scale, with the attached misery.
It has NOTHING to do with domestic politics, it's a humanitarian situation, to do with caring if others are suffering.
Gallivanter - 1st you help me with a quiz, then I find myself agreeing with you. There's hope for us all ;)
Hmmm, and newspapers that stick photos of the wreckage on the front pages aren't making money still, and in part directly from it. Think of newspaper sites where people click on for a Haiti story. I doubt they're donating any advertising they get from those page views. Some of it is, imo, called exploitation.
Newspapers should donate yes. If they don't is that good reason for you not caring?
Resolve not to buy a newspaper for a month and go online NOW and donate the money you save to one of the appeal funds then. Remember - the little kid they pull out of the rubble in 2 days time is there now and needs your help.
Jose is correct. There is no moral obligation on our part to feel anything about this or donate any money if we don't want to.
The smug satisfaction that people who contribute to these charity issues feel is self backslapping of the worst kind. If you want to give them money do it and then go to bed feeling all cosy inside. Tw*ts.
The smug satisfaction that people who contribute to these charity issues feel is self backslapping of the worst kind. If you want to give them money do it and then go to bed feeling all cosy inside. Tw*ts.
"There is no moral obligation on our part to feel anything about this" Gobbledegook. If you dont feel anything then your ill - simple as.
There is no obligation, moral or otherwise, to donate.
There is no obligation to care about other people who are suffering.
There is however no need to make it a party political issue, or try to "score points", or prove one's macho-ness by not giving a toss.
There is no obligation to care about other people who are suffering.
There is however no need to make it a party political issue, or try to "score points", or prove one's macho-ness by not giving a toss.
I never made it a party political issue. I'm simply querying what the British PM is doing currently in a time when he's pleading for more donations.
Lordnoise, I don't feel anything because I haven't watched a single news item with it on. I'm far to busy. I am aware of the situation, but I haven't watched any footage.
People that feel the need to donate ask yourself why you are doing it. Ultimately it is for the self serving pay-off of the feel good factor you get from helping.
People that feel the need to donate ask yourself why you are doing it. Ultimately it is for the self serving pay-off of the feel good factor you get from helping.
There is no moral obligation on our part to feel anything about this or donate any money if we don't want to.
I am not my brother's keeper?
If we have any moral obligation to anyone at all, including our immediate family, then we have an obligation to all sick and suffering people wherever they are and whoever they are.
I'm not for one moment suggesting that some kid buried alive with the rats in Haiti is worth more than a child in intensive care in a British hospital. Even so, it's hard to make a case that the child in Haiti is worth less.
If we have any morals at all, we can extend some care to those we don't like, let alone people, like the Haitians, who have never done us any harm.
If you feel lacking in moral obligation to help, is there any need to discourage others from helping by making a case that we shouldn't care? Isn't that pushing morality in the opposite direction?
I am not my brother's keeper?
If we have any moral obligation to anyone at all, including our immediate family, then we have an obligation to all sick and suffering people wherever they are and whoever they are.
I'm not for one moment suggesting that some kid buried alive with the rats in Haiti is worth more than a child in intensive care in a British hospital. Even so, it's hard to make a case that the child in Haiti is worth less.
If we have any morals at all, we can extend some care to those we don't like, let alone people, like the Haitians, who have never done us any harm.
If you feel lacking in moral obligation to help, is there any need to discourage others from helping by making a case that we shouldn't care? Isn't that pushing morality in the opposite direction?
I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from doing anything. I've clearly stated that if people want to give then do so and if not then don't.
Apart from that I've only pointed out the self serving nature of charity for those making a donation.
Apart from that I've only pointed out the self serving nature of charity for those making a donation.
reading some of the comments on this thread makes me dispair of the human race. how can supposed intelligent people think so little of human life.
Dave, there is NOTHING to feel good about, connected to a disaster like this.
If I could, I would go there and help, it wouldn't be to make me feel better.
If I give to or help charities, it isn't for a pat on the back. I suspect your own personality and feelings are getting in the way of what decent people's are like.
If I could, I would go there and help, it wouldn't be to make me feel better.
If I give to or help charities, it isn't for a pat on the back. I suspect your own personality and feelings are getting in the way of what decent people's are like.
If we have a moral obligation to help the sick and suffering wherever they are we would be floundering in a sea of sympathy.The suffering of mankind is overwhelming and we as reasonably well off punters in the game of life can only pick and choose where we will spend our charity fiver. Whether our intentions are selfish or altruistic our fivers and our empathy are finite.
Ultimately it is for the self serving pay-off of the feel good factor you get from helping.
Not necessarily. Altruism can be selfish in a different way. For example, we can encourage and develop the habit of everyone helping each other against the day when we ourselves might be buried alive.
If you are trapped in your rapidly flooding cellar in Britain, you might expect a few firemen to get you out because you've paid your council tax. Even so, you haven't paid enough to expect those firemen to risk their lives for you but you would be very disappointed if they didn't.
Not necessarily. Altruism can be selfish in a different way. For example, we can encourage and develop the habit of everyone helping each other against the day when we ourselves might be buried alive.
If you are trapped in your rapidly flooding cellar in Britain, you might expect a few firemen to get you out because you've paid your council tax. Even so, you haven't paid enough to expect those firemen to risk their lives for you but you would be very disappointed if they didn't.
Studyform, please don't missunderstand my opinion on here for how I might be as a person. I'm usually the stupid one whose always helping out other people (friends/relatives) and gets absolutely nothing back for my trouble.
I am merely stating that it is up to the individual to make their own choices and that there is no moral obligation here. That's all.
I am merely stating that it is up to the individual to make their own choices and that there is no moral obligation here. That's all.
You're not stupid for helping others.
This is my point.
This is my point.
And mine is that I'll choose who I help. On that point goodnight all.
Dominican republic is full of hotels,couldnt they be utilised for at least some of the homeless.
mightymoyes 18 Jan 23:08
reading some of the comments on this thread makes me dispair of the human race. how can supposed intelligent people think so little of human life.
Strange one that, but one day we all won't be here.
reading some of the comments on this thread makes me dispair of the human race. how can supposed intelligent people think so little of human life.
Strange one that, but one day we all won't be here.
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