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Dan Chipowski 18 Jan 02:32
walofs wat on earth is that meant to mean, sounds like a dogs bark |
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a week ago Haiti was a total mess, I didn't care then.
today Haiti is a total mess, I don't care now. I know it seems heartless, but i'd rather donate my money to cancer research uk than all of a sudden be a "humanitarian" and pretend I care about these people. |
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Exactly. It's a load of nonsense for the best part. Another excuse to milk money out of us to try and make us feel like we've done something good, but the cynical and cruel side of me says a few things.
1) An earthquake is a natural disaster. Should the UN etc not have a natural disaster fund by now that covers the cost of even the most tragic disasters? 2) The British government, thanks to Gordon, have already wasted another £6 million+. Where do such numbers come from? That's money that British people have no doubt already paid in Tax. 3) Earthquakes will continue to happen. Donating money on this occasion will do what for next time again? 4) People in many parts of the world live in terrible conditions. I live my life, as good as it is, without any feeling of sadness or remorse for others 99% of the time despite knowing what goes on in the world, so why should I change now and donate any money? I feel nothing for people who I know largely nothing about. No one caused this, no one wished this upon anyone, but should we all donate? Of course not, certainly not in a time where so much money has and is wasted by government's all over the world. |
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A view many would share deep down but are unwilling to publicly state.
Everything in life is a competition, thus including morals, so now we have this modern perversion where people spend their entire life competing in a bizarre type of moral olympics. Instead of living a life based on a solid concept of morality, people can only gain a sense of moral worth by defeating their fellow human in a never ending moral war. I put £1 into the charity box, you put £2. I say i care about someone, you say you really care about them etc etc. We don't care that much about people outside of our own network (family, friends, local community) because it's simply not practical to do so, in fact it is only a very recent phenomenon in human history that we are actually made aware of the suffering of others outside of our local area. If we were to be genuinely concerned about all people then we would be guaranteeing ourselves a life of misery, every moment of our lives would be spent worrying about the millions of people around the world who are suffering at that given moment, it would be unbearable. |
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Just to chime in with Jose here. OP You're asking me to Remember people i never knew in the first place. Explain to me how that works again?
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We're all on a site named Betfair remember. Why, because whether we do it for fun or seriously we've gambled some of our money to try and win more? That's the logical take. If we all felt that strongly about helping others generally, we would never have invested such money.
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The world would be a very very callous and heartless place if such attitudes as those on display here wer epropogated. What shall we tell our children? not to care, to lose all their compassion? I am by no means saying there is an obligation to donate and be charitable and I'd be wrong if I 'remembered' teh victims this w/e as I didnt give them a thought. But to be so dismissive of events is cold. Yes there are disasters happening globally on a daily basis and no we wont hear about them all due to media manipulation, but thats just the world we live in. I think its wrong to chastise the thread starter for what is a noble cause tbh. Not evryones cup of tea such appeals.
btw Cancer is a naturally occurring disease and the victims of such are probably no more 'deserving' of such aid. - Thats just playing devils advocate, not neccessarily my personal opinion. In short why shouldnt people help if they can and want to? |
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can't lifestyle also play a part in many cancers
not just smoking so many cancer sufferers will have helped bring it on themselves i suppose it can be argued that earthquakes victims could be blamed for living near a fault line so **** everyone right? it's pleasing to know that most people don't feel the same as the majority of posters on this thread because the human race is decent in the main it's actually a very small minority who are vermin and i'm lucky enough not to know any of them :) |
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aye cb.
The cancer comment wasnt really meant as a discussion point, I was just playing Devils Advocate there. My point really being that we each of us choose who and what we donate to, and none of these are wrong and none should be criticised. Some people give money to animal homes, which in the grand scheme of things is rather un-important but there has to be a balance in the world. Also who and what people donate to is often dictated by personal circumstance and history. |
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i know it wasn't meant for discussion lol
i was just extending the point of playing devil's advocate to highlight how retarded these people are |
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tho if they actually believe what they're saying they must have had an awful childhood
i mean what sort of people would raise something like that? |
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indeed, I do think though that to a degree people are merely being controversial or its some kind of 'look at me I dont give to impverished haitians' comment or something!
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it's actually a very small minority who are vermin and i'm lucky enough not to know any of them Miove to east London, you'll meet some there. Child of the Rafalution canaryboy i was just extending the point of playing devil's advocate to highlight how retarded these people are Racist Canaryboy tho if they actually believe what they're saying they must have had an awful childhood i mean what sort of people would raise something like that? Go to east London and survey the thousands of afro-carribeans... see how much they've sent. |
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agreed rafa
all very sad imo |
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JOSE93 18 Jan 04:09
Exactly. It's a load of nonsense for the best part. Another excuse to milk money out of us to try and make us feel like we've done something good, but the cynical and cruel side of me says a few things. No-one is milking money from anyone, if there is a better use for your money than helping someone who has no food or water and has just lost everything and everyone they had, I'd like to know what it is. 1) An earthquake is a natural disaster. Should the UN etc not have a natural disaster fund by now that covers the cost of even the most tragic disasters? It does, and it provides much help - This disaster is on a massive scale tho. 2) The British government, thanks to Gordon, have already wasted another £6 million+. Where do such numbers come from? That's money that British people have no doubt already paid in Tax. Self-centred, ignorant, rubbish statement 3) Earthquakes will continue to happen. Donating money on this occasion will do what for next time again? So that's alright then - sod 'em, eh? They're unimportant, and they're 'over there'. If the earthquake had been under YOUR house, you would soon have asked for help, and wondered why this is happening to YOU, and rightly so. 4) People in many parts of the world live in terrible conditions. I live my life, as good as it is, without any feeling of sadness or remorse for others 99% of the time despite knowing what goes on in the world, so why should I change now and donate any money? Because then you would be less of a selfish barstad, and it would show you to possess a little empathy. I feel nothing for people who I know largely nothing about. No one caused this, no one wished this upon anyone, but should we all donate? Of course not, certainly not in a time where so much money has and is wasted by government's all over the world. Governments waste money, companies waste money, you waste money - we all do. WTF has that got to do with 10's of 1000's of people's suffering not needing some relief. I cannot believe some of the stuff I'm reading on this forum regarding the Haitian Earthquake. No-one is asking anybody to do anything, except maybe, if they don't mind putting some spare cash in - some of which even at the most cynical guess, might do SOME good. Some of you deserve the same fate the poor sods in Haiti are suffering, and frankly if it happened to you I'd like to think, through some sort of Karma, nobody would care, and you could wallow in it. |
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As Brits - Gordon is giving your money in AID. As reluctant Europeans - Gordon is giving your money in AID. And now you want to give more of your own money in aid?
IF I recall correctly the Tsunami fund ended up with more than it could use. Do call again when they run out of aid funds from the world's wealthy please. |
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good for Gordon then.
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99% of people on this forum don't know where Haiti is.
My car was frozen on my drive over xmas. Where were the good people of Haiti in my hour of need? |
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If the earthquake had been under YOUR house, you would soon have asked for help, and wondered why this is happening to YOU, and rightly so.
We has a major tremor up here last year. The damage ran into the realms of £2-99p, I never asked the govt for anything, and nobody sent me anything. Bastids |
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thats a bit sad jimbo
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the bottom line - if you dont care enough then feel free to continue in your own selfish existance.
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the bottom line - if you dont care enough then feel free to continue in your own selfish existance.
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I sent 20 quid to UNICEF.
Anyone fortunate enough to live in our privileged and wealthy society here in the western world (England in my case)that doesn't manage to scrape a few quid together for their fellow human beings is just a not very nice person. You may try to justify your callous attitude with some fancy words,but the bottom line is you are just a tw@t for not feeling some compassion for those people. |
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Looked terribly dusty.
I sent my my old vacuum cleaner. |
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imo best to give money in a years time. otherwise it could get swallowed up in some fund and not used effectively
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Lets get a few things clear for those who aren't clever to understand the underlying points here.
I live in the UK with Gordon Brown as an unelected Prime Minster and he has donated £6 million pound of our money in a time of economic disaster? What's he done for those who suffer in the UK? The man is spending £6 million of our money on a natural disaster whilst allowing many other people to suffer by continuing the Iraq and Afghanistan war. And how can I help those people? Wait, I can't because he's a part of why so many people also lost everything in those countries through a decision to hurt civilians. And I should donate, when, if those wars were ended he could have donated more. YES or NO? So know you can all see the relation of wasting money needlessly by governments. |
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i read that and just feel pity
you must have suffered a great deal to feel such bitterness i hope you get better |
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What has who voted for a prime minister got to do with people of Haiti, who are now starving, injured, and suffering losses in ways you cannot comprehend, Jose?
You come across across as a typical tory twunt as seen regularly on the politics forum. Are you another regular tory keyboard warrior with another name-change? It doesn't matter what the subject or problem, or where in the world it is, there is always some arsshole on here saying "It's Gordon Brown's fault" "I didn't elect him" This is crap too. Our government was elected - by the system in place, the leader was changed, there wasn't a guerilla-led coup. In any case the only real problem being discussed here is that of the Haitians. And you don't care. Well, bully for you. |
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How can you compare the so called poor in the UK with the people of haiti.
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Money isn't a problem for them is it - they ain't run out of money - they need resources and they can't get the resources (that they have) delivered can they. Your donations are going into a big pot somewhere - not to the tragic Haitians.
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And you know this do you, Ivor?
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The resources are paid for by 'the money'. Transporting them is paid for with 'the money'. The people there have lost EVERYTHING, and will need 'the money' to rebuild some sort of life.
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I see BabyDoc is donating 5 million of his own money. Give it a year and he will be back as president.
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..and the donations so far have totallyed what? Has ANYONE said they don't have enough money to provide?
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If i was a dictator i would wish to be known by something more manly than 'baby Doc' imo
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how about ''the SURGEON''
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Doc Dastardly
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Jesus Christ Ivor.
Were screwed so screw you too? is that it? |