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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8465515.stm
don road gets average-speed cameras
Average speed camera
The stretch of road will have 84 special cameras introduced
Average-speed cameras are to be used on an urban road with multiple entrance and exit points for the first time, Transport for London (TfL) says.
The 84 cameras are to be installed on a 7.5-mile (12km) stretch of the A13 in east London, ready for use by next summer.
They will operate between Canning Town and the Goresbrook interchange.
However, the speed limit will be raised from 40mph to 50mph on a section of the route once the cameras are in place.
TfL said it hoped the cameras would halve the number of people killed or seriously injured along the road.
This is exactly the right way to target road safety: take specific action to target a specific problem
Prof Stephen Glaister
RAC Foundation director
The collision rate on that stretch of the road has been almost a fifth higher than is typical of major roads in London, TfL said.
Nearly 500 collisions, including three fatal and 34 serious accidents, were recorded on this stretch of road between 2006 and 2008.
TfL said half of these incidents were caused by speeding.
RAC Foundation director Professor Stephen Glaister said: "This is exactly the right way to target road safety: take specific action to target a specific problem.
"Average speed cameras are already a familiar feature in roadworks and they have the advantage of smoothing traffic flow rather than creating the stop-start sort of driving often associated with fixed cameras.
"The fact that the speed limit is actually going to be increased is an acknowledgement of this.
don road gets average-speed cameras
Average speed camera
The stretch of road will have 84 special cameras introduced
Average-speed cameras are to be used on an urban road with multiple entrance and exit points for the first time, Transport for London (TfL) says.
The 84 cameras are to be installed on a 7.5-mile (12km) stretch of the A13 in east London, ready for use by next summer.
They will operate between Canning Town and the Goresbrook interchange.
However, the speed limit will be raised from 40mph to 50mph on a section of the route once the cameras are in place.
TfL said it hoped the cameras would halve the number of people killed or seriously injured along the road.
This is exactly the right way to target road safety: take specific action to target a specific problem
Prof Stephen Glaister
RAC Foundation director
The collision rate on that stretch of the road has been almost a fifth higher than is typical of major roads in London, TfL said.
Nearly 500 collisions, including three fatal and 34 serious accidents, were recorded on this stretch of road between 2006 and 2008.
TfL said half of these incidents were caused by speeding.
RAC Foundation director Professor Stephen Glaister said: "This is exactly the right way to target road safety: take specific action to target a specific problem.
"Average speed cameras are already a familiar feature in roadworks and they have the advantage of smoothing traffic flow rather than creating the stop-start sort of driving often associated with fixed cameras.
"The fact that the speed limit is actually going to be increased is an acknowledgement of this.
Ah, common sense. 50 much more sensible, but 60 would be better.
Three killed in two years - and the target is to halve it.
Ummm - I would think there are far greater priority roads tbf!
Ummm - I would think there are far greater priority roads tbf!
And so it begins. The motorway network will be covered by 2020.
Not being racist here, but how many people involved in
these accidents actually passed their tests in England??
I would think that this is more likely why there is such a high
collision rate in this area!
We drive on the left in this country!!!!!
these accidents actually passed their tests in England??
I would think that this is more likely why there is such a high
collision rate in this area!
We drive on the left in this country!!!!!
The reason that average speed cameras are being put there is to stop the daft cvnts who slow down to 50 for a camera then zoom to the next one as fast as they can weaving in and out of traffic, then slow down to 50, then zoom etc.
that stretch of road is very badly designed which is probably why there are quite a few accidents, it also takes an incredible throughput of traffic. If it was made a consistent three lane all the way through with an additional lane at slipways off, and you did away with the t junction adjacent roads then it would be considerably safer.
Mustapha Bath 18 Jan 18:04
We drive on the left in this country!!!!!
Eh, I don't.
We drive on the left in this country!!!!!
Eh, I don't.
so 2006 to 2008... thats 2 years o days ...
stretch of dual carriageway is it ...in East London ..
So would a low average of 1000 cars an hour half the day be fair ..and for just 5 days ...ignore weekends
12,000 a day x 5 days = 60,000 cars a week
52 weeks in a year ...say 50 weeks
3,000,000 cars passing each year
for 2 years = 6,000,000 cars
3 fatalities ...half caused by speeding per report above ..
that is 1.5 fatalities per 6,000,000 cars !!
or 1 per 4,000,000 cars
or 0.00004 % or similar ..
and people are spending multi-millions on cameras , etc !!
stretch of dual carriageway is it ...in East London ..
So would a low average of 1000 cars an hour half the day be fair ..and for just 5 days ...ignore weekends
12,000 a day x 5 days = 60,000 cars a week
52 weeks in a year ...say 50 weeks
3,000,000 cars passing each year
for 2 years = 6,000,000 cars
3 fatalities ...half caused by speeding per report above ..
that is 1.5 fatalities per 6,000,000 cars !!
or 1 per 4,000,000 cars
or 0.00004 % or similar ..
and people are spending multi-millions on cameras , etc !!
would be interesting to know how much people pay in speeding fines in an average year .
esp in essex.
esp in essex.
Sleep walking into a .......
Well you know the rest.
Well you know the rest.
Ivor 18 Jan 17:30
Three killed in two years - and the target is to halve it.
Ummm - I would think there are far greater priority roads tbf!
cant see them achieving the 1.5 target
Three killed in two years - and the target is to halve it.
Ummm - I would think there are far greater priority roads tbf!
cant see them achieving the 1.5 target
driving in england is finished ..everywhere is now so busy that the enjoyment has already gone...average speed checks will shortly be everywhere..on all motorways..this will finish it off.
to go a long distance will take forever
if any of you travel the m1 at the moment you will know what i mean ..a 15 mile stretch at 50..does your head in
to go a long distance will take forever
if any of you travel the m1 at the moment you will know what i mean ..a 15 mile stretch at 50..does your head in
Win only - Sp only 18 Jan 23:11
Ivor 18 Jan 17:30
Three killed in two years - and the target is to halve it.
Ummm - I would think there are far greater priority roads tbf!
Not in east London. only 2 roads come into London on the eastern side, the A13 and the A12. They are jam packed every day from 6-30 a.m.
One small accident causes facking chaos when people are injured, however slightly, as vehicles should not be moved until the police arrive.
If you're in the traffic and you're lucky, cars involved are in one lane, if you're unlucky and the cars are in two lanes you can switch off your engine off for at least an hour. If theres a serious injury, get off where you can and go home.
This makes everybody late for work and holds up hundreds of delivery vehicles.
The problem being that ships and planes won't wait, they stick to their timetables.
Ivor 18 Jan 17:30
Three killed in two years - and the target is to halve it.
Ummm - I would think there are far greater priority roads tbf!
Not in east London. only 2 roads come into London on the eastern side, the A13 and the A12. They are jam packed every day from 6-30 a.m.
One small accident causes facking chaos when people are injured, however slightly, as vehicles should not be moved until the police arrive.
If you're in the traffic and you're lucky, cars involved are in one lane, if you're unlucky and the cars are in two lanes you can switch off your engine off for at least an hour. If theres a serious injury, get off where you can and go home.
This makes everybody late for work and holds up hundreds of delivery vehicles.
The problem being that ships and planes won't wait, they stick to their timetables.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkGBFjU89ik&feature=related
guy loses it....
guy loses it....
That's a FAR better argument than the original one Charlie!
the A13 is not a road ,HTH, stick in the A4 from cromwell
road to the M4 ,and the A40 from the westway to girotary and
u have a treble up of non roads during the evening rush hour ...
same in morning go other way ..
road to the M4 ,and the A40 from the westway to girotary and
u have a treble up of non roads during the evening rush hour ...
same in morning go other way ..
will the extra revenue generated by these cameras mean the funerals of the 1 and a 1/2 people will be paid for ?
Mustapha Bath 18 Jan 18:04
Not being racist here, but how many people involved in
these accidents actually passed their tests in England??
I would think that this is more likely why there is such a high
collision rate in this area!
We drive on the left in this country!!!!!
Mb I would like to know how many of them have passed a test anywhere ?
15 people to one license :^0
Not being racist here, but how many people involved in
these accidents actually passed their tests in England??
I would think that this is more likely why there is such a high
collision rate in this area!
We drive on the left in this country!!!!!
Mb I would like to know how many of them have passed a test anywhere ?
15 people to one license :^0
plainlazy 18 Jan 23:35
if any of you travel the m1 at the moment you will know what i mean ..a 15 mile stretch at 50..does your head in
this is a tempory speed restriction for the M1 widening. and while it is very frustrating it is hardly a sign of things to come on motorways in general. Had the same thing when widening south of Luton. was a pain during the process but when completed is vastly improved.
the point is you DONT Have to wait for the police to come, they do feck all anyway.
u exchange details then go about your business. it is people waiting for the to55ers in blue that cause the problem queues. take pictures and witness statements. then move the f**K over...
yw
u exchange details then go about your business. it is people waiting for the to55ers in blue that cause the problem queues. take pictures and witness statements. then move the f**K over...
yw
The M11 has a 5 mile stretch of roadworks with a speed limit of 50.
It's quite easy to drive at 50 .
The impatient w@nkers who get hot under the collar because they're losing an immensely valuable 105 seconds of theirmiserable lives should have left 2 minutes earlier, and they would have had 15 seconds to spare.
It's quite easy to drive at 50 .
The impatient w@nkers who get hot under the collar because they're losing an immensely valuable 105 seconds of theirmiserable lives should have left 2 minutes earlier, and they would have had 15 seconds to spare.
Dealem.... 19 Jan 00:32
the point is you DONT Have to wait for the police to come, they do feck all anyway.
u exchange details then go about your business. it is people waiting for the to55ers in blue that cause the problem queues. take pictures and witness statements. then move the f**K over...
So of somebody is injured by you, or you get injured by somebody else, you would move your car to let traffic through ?
the point is you DONT Have to wait for the police to come, they do feck all anyway.
u exchange details then go about your business. it is people waiting for the to55ers in blue that cause the problem queues. take pictures and witness statements. then move the f**K over...
So of somebody is injured by you, or you get injured by somebody else, you would move your car to let traffic through ?
GASH they had to widen it. they need to widen nearly every road in britain
and thats just to accommodate,the fat arse basterds in their chelsea
tractors dropping Johhny and Jessie to school ,london between 3.15 and 4.00 pm is a total and utter joke, and then the rush hour to follow ..
and then the**s go on about global warning ...
If big heffer arsed basterds walked their precious little ones to school
Im sure the excercise would do them both good ,and negate the need
for a crane to get some of the fat basterds out of a house in years to come ..
and thats just to accommodate,the fat arse basterds in their chelsea
tractors dropping Johhny and Jessie to school ,london between 3.15 and 4.00 pm is a total and utter joke, and then the rush hour to follow ..
and then the**s go on about global warning ...
If big heffer arsed basterds walked their precious little ones to school
Im sure the excercise would do them both good ,and negate the need
for a crane to get some of the fat basterds out of a house in years to come ..
Road widening on the M4 Cardiff to Newport had a 50mph limit - which I believe is, or is to become, a permanent 50 limit.
more tax for the Government in its time of need ...
One small accident causes facking chaos when people are injured, however slightly, as vehicles should not be moved until the police arrive.
revenue collectors. interest on national debt getting bigger, they service it through increasing revenue in ways like this.
they have to pay for stuff somewhere - since income tax is entirely spoken for by the debt interest.
there is no open report for uk, but using usa as an exmaple, the 1984 grace commission established that ALL entire tax did not quite meet the interest required on national debt. image what its like a quarter century down the line... and it is no different here.
they have to pay for stuff somewhere - since income tax is entirely spoken for by the debt interest.
there is no open report for uk, but using usa as an exmaple, the 1984 grace commission established that ALL entire tax did not quite meet the interest required on national debt. image what its like a quarter century down the line... and it is no different here.
that should have read "ALL income tax" not all entire tax.
hello warro how are you?
caused any more stirs of late? i havent really been around.
caused any more stirs of late? i havent really been around.
and if its one of the only ways in from that side of town, surely by now there should be a road that can safely allow 60mph.. people are muppets but not that much that 60 is dangerous on a half decent road.. yes there will be someone accidents, there always will be no matter what is done. but i suppose its ok that the millions spent on road networks cannot even provide that..
hey dealem - not bad ta. hope you're well.
always causing stirs mate. had an interesting discussion on this board about the universe, god etc, on a thread about the blue spiral in the sky in norway. progressed somewhat in my thoughts on that since, but not ready for discussion.
caused plenty of stirs everytime i post on politics too - it's really quite enjoyable to watch talk themselves in circles and give up against me, particularly when im pitching something that flies in the face of everything they know. i reread the threads and they have taken a battering over something that 99% of people would agree with them over... perhaps it's just debate style, or perhaps something else..
also still expecting obama to be removed due to eligibility soon lol. if ur interested, no cases to date have been granted standing, ie the power to ask to see proof of eligibility and have it ruled upon, until now. a case is proceeding imminently as part of chrysler bondholders against the state - basically obama overruled property rights so cant possibly win that in court. the case includes quo warranto (meaning by what authority) re eligibililty, which means it is not a case of innocent until proven guilty, rather than obama must prove eligibility officially. so it's still interesting, and i still hope to discuss settlement with betfair over my bets in the future lol
sry if im boring you :)
always causing stirs mate. had an interesting discussion on this board about the universe, god etc, on a thread about the blue spiral in the sky in norway. progressed somewhat in my thoughts on that since, but not ready for discussion.
caused plenty of stirs everytime i post on politics too - it's really quite enjoyable to watch talk themselves in circles and give up against me, particularly when im pitching something that flies in the face of everything they know. i reread the threads and they have taken a battering over something that 99% of people would agree with them over... perhaps it's just debate style, or perhaps something else..
also still expecting obama to be removed due to eligibility soon lol. if ur interested, no cases to date have been granted standing, ie the power to ask to see proof of eligibility and have it ruled upon, until now. a case is proceeding imminently as part of chrysler bondholders against the state - basically obama overruled property rights so cant possibly win that in court. the case includes quo warranto (meaning by what authority) re eligibililty, which means it is not a case of innocent until proven guilty, rather than obama must prove eligibility officially. so it's still interesting, and i still hope to discuss settlement with betfair over my bets in the future lol
sry if im boring you :)
as mentioned above too, the grace commission would cause quite a stir if anyone bothered to read it. it was only done 25 yrs ago lol :)
"unenforceable credit agreements" on financials is interesting too , albeit a long read - and good stuff is in the middlle. thread needs updating and clarifying but i cant be @rsed right now - other things filling my mind too much
also i am predicting a flood lol - albeit it could be literal or metaphorical - to hit west coast usa circa feb 12th or few days either side. this is a specualtive guess based on understanding of subliminals signals surrounding us everywhere - within nature and all man made media. not sure if im expecting it to be a man made or natural event though, all sorts is possible.
sort of ties in with my theory of existence which is a work in progress - ties in with my stuff on foundation of money and law, all the way down to discussion of the universe. no idea if youve read any of any of that. prob not is my guess lol. not many have :)
sort of ties in with my theory of existence which is a work in progress - ties in with my stuff on foundation of money and law, all the way down to discussion of the universe. no idea if youve read any of any of that. prob not is my guess lol. not many have :)
tbh i really hope the last thing does not occur, so obviously i prefer to be a laughing stock on this. but h3ll, if i thought it and didnt say it, no one would believe me after the event would they.
joe jordan -
so 2006 to 2008... thats 2 years o days ...
stretch of dual carriageway is it ...in East London ..
So would a low average of 1000 cars an hour half the day be fair ..and for just 5 days ...ignore weekends
12,000 a day x 5 days = 60,000 cars a week
52 weeks in a year ...say 50 weeks
3,000,000 cars passing each year
for 2 years = 6,000,000 cars
3 fatalities ...half caused by speeding per report above ..
that is 1.5 fatalities per 6,000,000 cars !!
or 1 per 4,000,000 cars
or 0.00004 % or similar ..
and people are spending multi-millions on cameras , etc !!
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and how long do u reckon it will take the cost of the cameras to be recouped?
speed cameras are the FOBT of driving - the only thing is that drivers dont get a choice. we all know its a scam to earn money - the bull 5hit about stopping fatalities is ridiculous, as the above figures show.
if they wanted to go and place speed cameras outside every school in the country, or postion coppers to stand outside the school, with hand held speed cameras during drop off and pick up times, none of us would complain - in fact most people would welcome it.
but they dont, because they wont earn enough cash and it wouldnt be cost effective.
so 2006 to 2008... thats 2 years o days ...
stretch of dual carriageway is it ...in East London ..
So would a low average of 1000 cars an hour half the day be fair ..and for just 5 days ...ignore weekends
12,000 a day x 5 days = 60,000 cars a week
52 weeks in a year ...say 50 weeks
3,000,000 cars passing each year
for 2 years = 6,000,000 cars
3 fatalities ...half caused by speeding per report above ..
that is 1.5 fatalities per 6,000,000 cars !!
or 1 per 4,000,000 cars
or 0.00004 % or similar ..
and people are spending multi-millions on cameras , etc !!
----------------
and how long do u reckon it will take the cost of the cameras to be recouped?
speed cameras are the FOBT of driving - the only thing is that drivers dont get a choice. we all know its a scam to earn money - the bull 5hit about stopping fatalities is ridiculous, as the above figures show.
if they wanted to go and place speed cameras outside every school in the country, or postion coppers to stand outside the school, with hand held speed cameras during drop off and pick up times, none of us would complain - in fact most people would welcome it.
but they dont, because they wont earn enough cash and it wouldnt be cost effective.
This thread concerns the A13, and from Canning Town to the Goresbrook roundabout.
Goresbrook roundabout is in Dagenham, about 7 miles from Canning Town.
Many years ago the A13 was one lane in either direction. They widened it to two. This solved nothing, it just moved the traffic jams further along towards London. They widened it to three and the same thing happened again. Instead of a 21 mile jam every day, you now get a 7 mile jam spread over 3 lanes.
All exits from Dagenham to Canning Town are on slip roads, there are no traffic lights from River Road in Dagenham until you get to East India Dock Road in Poplar. If you're going straight through you don't have to stop anywhere in Newham.
Nobody gets done for speeding into London between 6-30 a.m. and 10-00 a.m as it's impossible to get above 50 unless you drive a tank.
All schools bar one in Newham have high speed humps in their road. If you exceed the speed limit you won't do your car much good. There is no need for policeman on camera duty outside Newham schools, they are there simply to stop gang fights. Most of the schools have metal detectors at the gates so the kids hide their blades over local parks and the police know this, so they watch them.
To speed anywhere between Canning Town and Dagenham you have to miss the rush hour altogether. There are 7 cameras between CT and Dagenham on either side of the road.
Once you pass Dagenham you can legally do 70 for quite a way as it's a dual carriageway with a central reservation, and not many cameras.
Goresbrook roundabout is in Dagenham, about 7 miles from Canning Town.
Many years ago the A13 was one lane in either direction. They widened it to two. This solved nothing, it just moved the traffic jams further along towards London. They widened it to three and the same thing happened again. Instead of a 21 mile jam every day, you now get a 7 mile jam spread over 3 lanes.
All exits from Dagenham to Canning Town are on slip roads, there are no traffic lights from River Road in Dagenham until you get to East India Dock Road in Poplar. If you're going straight through you don't have to stop anywhere in Newham.
Nobody gets done for speeding into London between 6-30 a.m. and 10-00 a.m as it's impossible to get above 50 unless you drive a tank.
All schools bar one in Newham have high speed humps in their road. If you exceed the speed limit you won't do your car much good. There is no need for policeman on camera duty outside Newham schools, they are there simply to stop gang fights. Most of the schools have metal detectors at the gates so the kids hide their blades over local parks and the police know this, so they watch them.
To speed anywhere between Canning Town and Dagenham you have to miss the rush hour altogether. There are 7 cameras between CT and Dagenham on either side of the road.
Once you pass Dagenham you can legally do 70 for quite a way as it's a dual carriageway with a central reservation, and not many cameras.
but they dont, because they wont earn enough cash and it wouldnt be cost effective.
If you don't speed, you don't pay fines, it's as simple as that.
If you don't speed, you don't pay fines, it's as simple as that.
I haven't read the whole thread but it seems logical to me that all major roads should be covered by these average speed cameras. They cerainly are effective on the motorwayswhen I've seen them.
Or else could the police just use GPS to see if people are speeding?
On a related subject, why are pretty much all cars capable of speeds far in excess of the country's maximum speed limit?
Or else could the police just use GPS to see if people are speeding?
On a related subject, why are pretty much all cars capable of speeds far in excess of the country's maximum speed limit?
plainlazy 18 Jan 23:35
driving in england is finished ..everywhere is now so busy that the enjoyment has already gone...average speed checks will shortly be everywhere..on all motorways..this will finish it off.
to go a long distance will take forever
if any of you travel the m1 at the moment you will know what i mean ..a 15 mile stretch at 50..does your head in
18 minutes of driving at 50mph does your head in . Dear oh dear !!
driving in england is finished ..everywhere is now so busy that the enjoyment has already gone...average speed checks will shortly be everywhere..on all motorways..this will finish it off.
to go a long distance will take forever
if any of you travel the m1 at the moment you will know what i mean ..a 15 mile stretch at 50..does your head in
18 minutes of driving at 50mph does your head in . Dear oh dear !!
Anybody who moans about the speed limit is odds-on to be under 30 years of age.
I've seen so many daft cvnts on here over the years it defies belief.
I was doing 38 in a 30 zone and got done by a camera, what should I do
Obey the law, you pratt.
I was doing 48 in a 40 zone and got done by a camera, what should I do
Obey the law, you pratt.
I was doing 58 in a 50 zone and got done by a camera, what should I do
Obey the law, you pratt.
I was doing 68 in a 60 zone and got done by a camera, what should I do
Obey the law, you pratt.
I was doing 100 on the motorway and got pulled for speeding. Facking liberty, the road was empty, I was in no dangher, What should I do
If you whizzz kids insist on breaking the law no matter how low or high the speed limit is, I wonder what speed you would have done on motorways when there was no speed limit ?
Would it be ' Fack it, if I can't break the law so I'm not speeding.'
or
'Oh yeh, flat out, pedal to the metal, and fack eveybody else '
I've seen so many daft cvnts on here over the years it defies belief.
I was doing 38 in a 30 zone and got done by a camera, what should I do
Obey the law, you pratt.
I was doing 48 in a 40 zone and got done by a camera, what should I do
Obey the law, you pratt.
I was doing 58 in a 50 zone and got done by a camera, what should I do
Obey the law, you pratt.
I was doing 68 in a 60 zone and got done by a camera, what should I do
Obey the law, you pratt.
I was doing 100 on the motorway and got pulled for speeding. Facking liberty, the road was empty, I was in no dangher, What should I do
If you whizzz kids insist on breaking the law no matter how low or high the speed limit is, I wonder what speed you would have done on motorways when there was no speed limit ?
Would it be ' Fack it, if I can't break the law so I'm not speeding.'
or
'Oh yeh, flat out, pedal to the metal, and fack eveybody else '
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